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I would say the Twins simply for the fact that the Senators/Twins are the only team they have been in the same division/league with continuously since 1901. I know the Senators spent a lot of years being terrible, but the longest history is there.

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55 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

I would say the Twins simply for the fact that the Senators/Twins are the only team they have been in the same division/league with continuously since 1901. I know the Senators spent a lot of years being terrible, but the longest history is there.

Yep, yet many pick the Cubs.

All time White Sox Regular Season Head to Head White Sox Record (Ranked in order of games played):

1. 1163-1089 .516 Washington Senators (1901-1960); Minnesota Twins (1961-2021)

2. 1104-1096 .502 Cleveland Blues (1901); Cleveland Bronchos (1902); Cleveland Naps (1993-1914); Cleveland Indians (1915-2021)

3. 1081-1108 .494 Detroit Tigers (1901-2021)

4. 1045-994 .513 Philadelphia Athletics (1901-1954); Kansas City Athletics  (1955-1967); Oakland Athletics (1968-2021)

5. 947-992 .488 Boston Americans (1901-1907); Boston Red Sox (1908-2021)

6. 1023-901 .532 Milwaukee Brewers (1901); Saint Louis Browns (1902-1953); Baltimore Orioles (1954-2021)

7. 826-1073 .435 New York Highlanders (1903-1912); New York Yankees (1913-2021)

8. 420-394 .516 Kansas City Royals (1969-2021)

9. 366-381 .490 Los Angeles Angels (1961-1964 & 2016-2021); California Angels (1965-1996); Anaheim Angels (1997-2004); Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (2005-2015)

10. 385-321 .545 Washington Senators (1961-1971); Texas Rangers (1972-2021)

11. 243-210 .536 Seattle Mariners (1977-2021)

12. 196-210 .483 Toronto Blue Jays (1977-2021)

13. 207-179 .536 Seattle Pilots (1969); Milwaukee Brewers (1970-2021)

14. 88-73 .547 Tampa Bay Devil Rays (1998-2007); Tampa Bay Rays (2008-2021)

15. 65-63 .508 Chicago Cubs (1997-2021)

16. 33-33 .500 Houston Astros (1997-2021)

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Shocking the ALC is at minus two getting better. 

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13 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Yep, yet many pick the Cubs.

All time White Sox Regular Season Head to Head White Sox Record (Ranked in order of games played):

1. 1163-1089 .516 Washington Senators (1901-1960); Minnesota Twins (1961-2021)

2. 1104-1096 .502 Cleveland Blues (1901); Cleveland Bronchos (1902); Cleveland Naps (1993-1914); Cleveland Indians (1915-2021)

3. 1081-1108 .494 Detroit Tigers (1901-2021)

4. 1045-994 .513 Philadelphia Athletics (1901-1954); Kansas City Athletics  (1955-1967); Oakland Athletics (1968-2021)

5. 947-992 .488 Boston Americans (1901-1907); Boston Red Sox (1908-2021)

6. 1023-901 .532 Milwaukee Brewers (1901); Saint Louis Browns (1902-1953); Baltimore Orioles (1954-2021)

7. 826-1073 .435 New York Highlanders (1903-1912); New York Yankees (1913-2021)

8. 420-394 .516 Kansas City Royals (1969-2021)

9. 366-381 .490 Los Angeles Angels (1961-1964 & 2016-2021); California Angels (1965-1996); Anaheim Angels (1997-2004); Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (2005-2015)

10. 385-321 .545 Washington Senators (1961-1971); Texas Rangers (1972-2021)

11. 243-210 .536 Seattle Mariners (1977-2021)

12. 196-210 .483 Toronto Blue Jays (1977-2021)

13. 207-179 .536 Seattle Pilots (1969); Milwaukee Brewers (1970-2021)

14. 88-73 .547 Tampa Bay Devil Rays (1998-2007); Tampa Bay Rays (2008-2021)

15. 65-63 .508 Chicago Cubs (1997-2021)

16. 33-33 .500 Houston Astros (1997-2021)

The question wasn’t “what team has the White Sox played the most?” or “what teams are in the White Sox division?” It was which team is our (yes our) biggest rival, a word that has has a more expansive definition than “most frequent opponent.”
 

This debate always goes the same way.  It’s a definitional problem.  One group posits that the Cubs are a rival because they play a few miles away, compete for the same fans and same market, and have produced a decades-old feud memorialized in songs, folklore, and play games that fire the fans up more than any other team by far. Another group says “but they’re not in our division!  Rivals are in the same division. So they’re not our rivals.  Different division.”  Never understood camp two, but sure, if you narrow your personal definition of “rivalry” to “teams we play the most games against head-to-head” then look at a list of the teams in our division at any given time and there’s your answer.

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4 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

The question wasn’t “what team has the White Sox played the most?” or “what teams are in the White Sox division?” It was which team is our (yes our) biggest rival, a word that has has a more expansive definition than “most frequent opponent.”
 

This debate always goes the same way.  It’s a definitional problem.  One group posits that the Cubs are a rival because they play a few miles away, compete for the same fans and same market, and have produced a decades-old feud memorialized in songs, folklore, and play games that fire the fans up more than any other team by far. Another group says “but they’re not in our division!  Rivals are in the same division. So they’re not our rivals.  Different division.”  Never understood camp two, but sure, if you narrow your personal definition of “rivalry” to “teams we play the most games against head-to-head” then look at a list of the teams in our division at any given time and there’s your answer.

A rival is who we are playing for the division title. 

1906 was the last time the Sox and Cubs played games that truly mattered. Perhaps the Cubsessed care about the handful of these garbage inter league games, but Sox fans who care about more than thumping their chest and getting into stupid arguments and drunken fights with other idiots have their eye on winning the division, not insert corporate crosstown cup.

Meet again in the World Series, game on. Until then, hyped nonsense.

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14 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

…This debate always goes the same way.  It’s a definitional problem.  One group posits that the Cubs are a rival because they play a few miles away, compete for the same fans and same market, and have produced a decades-old feud memorialized in songs, folklore, and play games that fire the fans up more than any other team by far. Another group says “but they’re not in our division!  Rivals are in the same division. So they’re not our rivals.  Different division.” 

 

10 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

A rival is who we are playing for the division title.

Oh, well that settles it then.  😂  You’ve made clear that you’ve redefined “rival” to mean team you’re competing with for your divisional title. Went over this above, doesn’t actually capture the common English meaning of the word, but we get it. 
 

Anyway, I changed my mind and decided “rival” means your last playoff opponent.  So it’s the A’s. End thread.

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3 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

 

 

Oh, well that settles it then.  😂  You’ve made clear that you’ve redefined “rival” to mean “team you’re competing with for your current divisional title.” Went over this above, doesn’t actually capture the common English meaning of the word, but we get it. 
 

Anyway, I changed my mind and decided “rival” means your last playoff opponent.  So it’s the A’s. End thread.

Like I said, I don't care what the vocal cubsessed fans think. Last year several posted they weren't rooting for the Cubs against Cleveland in September. Sad, but expected by the cubssessed, many who hate the Cubs more than they like the Sox.

I care about beating the teams the Sox face the most, competing for the postseason. It didn't matter if the Sox beat the Cubs or not, they lost the Division each and every year since the aughts, to their Division Rivals, the most important games the White Sox play each regular season.

Take a poll of the players who they rather win the season series against, Cleveland, Minnesota or the Cubs. Cubs will finish third in that poll, and the players would be right. The Division Rivals are the focus of the season.

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There aren't many cities that have two teams, so our opinion about what a "rival" is probably feels a lot different than someone in another city.  It's not the Cubs,  it is kind of the Cubs.  We aren't fighting for standings, we are fighting for the attention span of the casual fan

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9 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Like I said, I don't care what the vocal cubsessed fans think.
 

Sad, but expected by the cubssessed, many who hate the Cubs more than they like the Sox….

Ah, now I get the weird glitching on this.  Ok, Cub fan.  Carry on.

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20 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

A rival is who we are playing for the division title. 

1906 was the last time the Sox and Cubs played games that truly mattered. Perhaps the Cubsessed care about the handful of these garbage inter league games, but Sox fans who care about more than thumping their chest and getting into stupid arguments and drunken fights with other idiots have their eye on winning the division, not insert corporate crosstown cup.

Meet again in the World Series, game on. Until then, hyped nonsense.

Stop gatekeeping stupid bull shit ffs

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As we know the cubs are the more popular team esp in my neck of the woods (literally) but I have to say that MOST IE 51% maybe more cub fans are pretty nice people, as a lot of my good friends are. In 05, I had 3 other people (cub fans) watching the Sox at my house polish off Houston and to be honest they were as happy as I was a Chicago team finally could hoist a WS trophy. But yes no doubt you have to consider them a rival despite the league differences.. 

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It depends completely on the ERA. Before my time, in the 50's and 60's, it was the Yankees. Starting in the 70's,  when I first started following them, it was the Royals and the A's mostly until it became the Indians in the 90's and then the Twins in the early 2000's. 

So the real answer is we really don't have one historically. We don't have a Red Sox/Yankees, Dodgers/Giants, Cubs/Cardinals situation. 

 

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