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Well first of all, if you're trying for starting pitching, why include Kopech or Cease? Your trading an apple for an apple at that point. Beyond that, all 4 guys you listed will be on the Sox all or most of next year. Vaughn might still be a few years out. But hey, if the Sox are going to operate like a small market team(this winter will tell), then they have to do what they have to do.

You're not understanding the point. That he is that good of a prospect is why his name is coming up. How else are we going to get a TOR starter? Unless JR shocks us all and signs Strasburg or Cole this winter. Nobody wants to give him away for nothing.

I said it above, but I can say it again if you somehow missed it. I think Reinsdorf is too cheap to sign a TOR starter, and that's probably the only other way we're going to get one.

I think that has both teams considering it at least, so you're on the right track for what I'm thinking. If a guy has a bit more experience in the show, that would probably fit a bit better from the Sox perspective. But they definitely would want a guy with plenty of control or on a good contract. I think it's something worth exploring. And it's not that I don't want to keep Vaughn. I just think an arm that likely fills a #1 or #2 spot in our rotation is a need that must be filled. And doing a trade like this would leave plenty of money to lock up Moncada and Giolito longterm, plus fill DH and RF.

Not bad, I predicted 9th at the beginning of this thread when most thought top 5. I'm happy with this result. A top 5 pick would have meant not getting the positive development out of our young rebuild guns like we've gotten. This is a way better result for the Sox and their future.

I'm sorry, but no to bringing in damaged goods. Too risky. The reality is, the top free agent starting pitchers probably won't sign here this winter. And I don't think it's that the Sox aren't an attractive destination. Chicago is a great city and the Sox are one of the brightest young teams in baseball. I just think our owner is a cheapskate. I'm sensing that Rick Hahn is throwing out little hints already to cover for the coming cheapness this winter. He keeps slipping in comments that rebuilds are longer than 3 years and more growing pains are ahead of us. AKA, the Sox might be 'on the cheap' once again this winter. And really, the rebuild should be over after tomorrow. Rich Hahn should hold a press conference tomorrow after the game and declare the rebuild is over and the White Sox want to win the World Series next year. They should plug the oh so obvious holes and try to win 90-100 games next year. But that would require them acting like a big market team, and they seem to prefer pretending they are the Tamp Bay Rays, Pittsburgh Pirates or San Diego Padres. Oh wait... So that all said, and I apologize for the long winded post - I really think there's a high chance the Sox dangle Andrew Vaughn this winter for a top young arm. That might the only path towards qcquiring a good SP that Jerry's bank account will agree with.

Well yeah...I don't get your point? Because any pitcher can get injured, you therefore want to bring in the one already breaking down?

Sorry, but your post doesn't make sense. All free agents are risks...that's part of playing that game. But the other guys aren't in the process of breaking down right now as Chris Sale is. It's not even close to the same. Not all guys come back 100% from injuries. Many don't.

No I wouldn't do that. Chris Sale is on the wrong side of 30 and has a ton of miles on his arm. I wouldn't feel confident that the old Chris Sale would ever return.

I don't think Chris Sale wouldn't come here. But why would we want that contract? I mean, who is going to be surprised if early next year it's announced that he needs tJ surgery? You can almost smell it coming. I love Chris Sale and all he did for us, but that's a hard pass on trading for him.

I'd like to see a more aggressive approach towards acquiring a #1 or #2 starter. If Jerry is too cheap to sign one, then maybe explore if trading Andrew Vaughn could bring one back.

Quintana for Colome and Dunning. Which side says no? I'm thinking the Cubs say no, if only because Theo won't want to stir up crap about the Eloy trade.

It would be a reversal of everything he has done in the past. But Jerry turns 84 before next season starts. If he wants to win another World Series, signing Gerrit Cole is probably the best path to take to accomplish that. Rich Hahn keeps saying the money will be there. Now it's put up or shut up time. The money being there for a #3 starter means nothing. Are we trying to win the World Series, or just trying to be a pretty good team? Chicago is a big market. It's time for them to act like a big market team and not like the Pittsburgh Pirates. Not signing a #1 puts a ton of pressure on Kopech, Cease and Giolito to all pan out at their best case scenario, which of course is unlikely.

I don't pay attention to Sox stuff on twitter or facebook. So I'm not really sure what he speaks of. Here on soxtalk and another message board I post on...I think Sox fans have been remarkably forgiving considering much of the incompetence over the last 10 years. The last 10 years have been so bad, that they should be grateful that there's still people out there who care.

Maddon's handling of the bullpen in 2016 was some of the worst managing I've ever seen. That team won the World Series despite him, not because of him.

Sports leagues can fix it if they want to. Just throw all non playoff teams names in to a hat and randomly pick the draft order. Stop rewarding teams that lose on purpose. But they won't do that for some reason.

I wouldn't want Maddon. He has 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome. He might be the only guy I'd rather keep Ricky over.

It was a talking point while he wasn't getting signed. The draft pick compensation, combined with his diminished effectiveness later in 2018.

Moncada has struck out 6 times in the last 2 games, and his average has still gone up. Great season for him.

If he starts killing it next year, then they're going to play the same service time games that they played with Eloy and Robert. I'd start him at high A and move him up when he dominates.

in the winter of 2014/15 the White Sox were crowned the winners of the winter meetings, but once the dust settled, it ended up being far from a good off-season. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2335445-highlighting-the-best-and-worst-2014-2015-mlb-offseason-makeovers#slide11

Well that was bad

I'd offer him a 3 year deal, 15-18 mil total. Maybe he ends up backing up, maybe he wins the job. It gives the Sox options. I don't like Zach Collins though, and would prefer a different 2nd catcher going in to next year, be it a different backup or a starter like Grandal.

I wouldn't be surprised if Moncada signed an extension. He doesn't have to for reasons people have spelled out already. But I'd suspect he is comfortable here with his fellow Cubans and the organization as a whole. That would be a huge step in the right direction if they could lock him up and nab some free agent season(s) with that deal.

I don't think being in the top 10 matters anymore since the changes a couple of years ago? But please correct me if I'm wrong. From: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2016/11/30/breaking-down-mlbs-new-2017-21-collective-bargaining-agreement/#3168424811b9 Clubs signing a Free Agent subject to compensation will no longer forfeit a first round selection, but will be subject to the following: A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall forfeit its third highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft. A Luxury Tax offender shall forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest remaining selections in the next Rule 4 Draft and shall have its International Signing Bonus Pool (described below) reduced by $1,000,000 in the next full Signing Period. All other Clubs shall forfeit their second-highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft and shall have their International Signing Bonus Pool reduced by $500,000 in the next full Signing Bonus Period. All forfeited International Signing Bonus Pool monies will be distributed equally among all other Clubs. Competitive Balance Selections will be exempt from forfeiture.