WestEddy

I've criticized the Maldonado and Clevenger signings multiple times. Understanding why he did them isn't agreeing with or defending them.

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It's baseball, dude. I don't follow so I have something to grouse about.

Let me lay it out for you in more nuanced terms. Reinsdorf gave an interview right after that trade. He was honest, and people reacted to that. Yes, people were mad he gave up, some were mad he insulted them, and some were angry that he said they wouldn't catch Cleveland. As Reinsdorf gets older, he's restricted access to him. Maybe it's people around him sensing less of a filter, or "remember what happened in '97". But I can certainly see the brains of the organization thinking, "just blow smoke up their ass and let's get busy". I'm sorry that you will dig in and disagree no matter what I say. If you can prove that zero people on Earth were angry about Reinsdorf saying we couldn't catch Cleveland, then you'll be right. Otherwise, you're wrong. Added - and yes, everybody hated Reinsdorf after the strike. There was nothing he could do short of multiple World Series victories that would change that.

They were. There was an entire interview, not just one sentence on a tape loop. I suppose you're using the rare definition of "lied" which is "WestEddy is nailing his point, again, and I don't like it". And I said they were mad at him for being honest. You're really, you're lying.

I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't say that "people here are constantly talking about the white flag trade". Answer your own question. It's got nothing to do with me. My point was about people getting mad when Reinsdorf was brutally honest.

The entire season up to the trade, the Sox never got more than 5 games over .500. Sure, I'll give you outrage over giving up. Thus, "White Flag". But my main point, which you're proving, is that people are still mad about that trade, and Reinsdorf's comments about it, which was him being honest. There really isn't an argument, here.

12/5/23 - https://www.chicagotribune.com/2023/12/04/chris-getz-in-his-first-winter-meetings-as-chicago-white-sox-gm-is-focused-on-trying-to-find-ways-to-get-better/ All he seems to talk about is "trying to get better", you know, coming off of a 100 loss season. 9/9/23 - https://www.mlb.com/news/chris-getz-talks-future-plans-before-white-sox-loss Talks about being frustrated with certain aspects of team, "need to get better". 8/31/23 - https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-getz-delivers-first-statement-015215122.html I am not naive to the expectation that things need to change. To that, I would say "the fans deserve different, I am different, we will be different." Being better in 2024 and forward "starts with a strong foundation". "Quickly fill the gaps with outside hires, bring innovation, creation and energy."

Then you're actually okay being lied to if a team is 5 games over .500?

The Dick Allen dude just had a visceral reaction to that situation. I get the feeling Liptak has written books about it.

They're basically saying this, now. And it can be a goal to play better fundamental baseball, and still have fielders who commit errors. That's not really a lie.

If you can't get over it, then you can't get over it. I don't find myself getting outraged if a player doesn't actually "stay within himself" or consider myself lied to if they didn't present "the best version of themselves". For the most part, sports people have nothing of value to say. I wasn't duped by their remarks. We all knew it was a rebuild. I get not wanting one's intelligence insulted. Nobody believes the Sox won in 2000 because of the White Flag trade that basically netted two relievers, a shortstop who didn't stick long, and a few cup-of-coffee arms. After every July '97 loss, all Ozzie Guillen or Roberto Hernandez could talk about wasn't the game they just lost, but trade rumors. That team was infuriatingly average and couldn't get out of their own way. It was great to have an owner get fed up and just trade guys out of his frustration with a middling team. One of the high points of Reinsdorf's tenure. I don't know what "if youre consistently the future" means.

There are fans on this site who still haven't gotten over Reinsdorf's brutally honest remarks in a radio interview right after the White Flag trade in 1997. People's reactions clearly dictate that they want to hear corporate CYA double-speak.

He's been announced last week. You've opined on the many forms of Marinaccio's name you can conceive at the time of his DFA trade to make room for Perez.

I'm not understanding. Cannon, Martin, Perez, Wilson and Burke seem like the likeliest 5 contenders for the rotation. I don't think Schultz, Hagen Smith or Grant Taylor are realistic candidates for the OD roster. I've not heard Berroa being discussed as a starter, and I think they like Shuster in long relief. Iriarte and Nastrini are both kind of "next man up", as is Ky Bush.

Obviously, there's a difference. The Sox are rebuilding, this isn't a surprise. I'm not sure why you're throwing shade on Perez. Weird that you're picking on the one Hispanic guy in the rotation. You have 5 guys who are penciled into the OD rotation. Shane Smith is a possibility for starts. Thorpe has "discomfort", so until he's put on the IL, I'll count him. Iriarte, Wikelman, Nastrini, Bush. Last year, you really had 5 options, and one wasn't ready to start the season. I'll say this year you have 7 realistic options, and one might be down. There is nobody in the Sox' top 10 options that Clevenger is worth replacing. Chris Flexen's still out there if somebody comes up short.

2024 saw the White Sox leave ST with about 2.5 starting pitchers. For the upcoming season, we already have 7-10 options on the big club, or in AAA. There is no gaping void in the rotation that Clevenger might fill. I'm not sure why you're even bringing him up. Karinchak is an idiot. He's not on the odious level of a child abuser. Added: As Scholtens returns from TJS, I doubt he does anything before June.

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You are so close to getting the point. Which you never will. It's great that you can say that you're sorry about what I've endured. But you will never understand that you have a world of joy and fulfillment, and you're complaining that one tenth of one percent of a lifetime of fulfillment isn't also about the other 99.9% of your life. And that you're surrounded by people who will listen to people with kids complain about that 0.1% not being about their kids and will respectfully remain silent, while they're reminded of the 100% of their life that they don't get to share with their kids. Even when we're getting scolded about missing a birthday party, or not buying their kid a gift that would mean so much to them, because I'm being scolded about not helping them parent, but also for being a failure. I am truly thankful for the empathy, and for you taking the time to walk me through what I'm not getting. I probably seem bitter, but I am thankful. But once you get that other part, let me know. I know parenting is hard. I admire you guys for it.

Now, and I know this is really hard, consider people who have tried to have kids and didn't, and apply this sentence to them. I am truly sorry that I was flippant about parenting. My wife and I would have loved to have had the problem of trying to get kids to be into something we are. Didn't happen. But you would know nothing about that issue, so I suggest that you crawl off of your soapbox, and drop it.

Seeing you calling me names 4 days later tells me that I surely must have said something wrong. So, I'll apologize, and say that I'll never say anything to you about your kids again. I was wrong. Sorry.

That's a valid conversation. I have nephews, and bonded with them through sports after their dad (my brother) died. I took them to see some pretty bad Bulls teams right after Jordan and Pippen left. Easy way to spend time. I don't really like going on a fishing trip. I don't like to camp. However, that was a way to spend time with my brother and his sons, so I went on, and participated in the annual fishing trip. Because I wanted to spend the time with them. I'm going to stop there, because I don't want to get accused of anything else. I'm sorry that Jerry Reinsdorf does that to you and your family.

Me, too. Not college. I decided in Sophomore year at Gordon Tech that I was going to read the old Testament. It really resets what you know about religion and the world. And if you're really into it, there's a book called "No God But God" about Islam, by Reza Aslan, that details the history of Islam, and how it resonates, today. Seriously, I've gotten into deep conversations with cab drivers based on that book that have changed my life. Like, the Book of Daniel still has ramifications on the middle east today.

Then you should use your own powers to walk the anger back. Spend your online time posting bible quotes. Preferably, not ones directing David to forcibly circumcise the Philistines. Just as an aside, if you're at all religious, I'd suggest starting at Genesis, and reading the bible. I'm not, but it's an awesome read.

Yeah, it's like next man up. Sosa and Vargas are on the clock. Sh*t or get off the pot.