WestEddy

This is stupid. A lot has shown the two are abusive. If you give a "sh*t", as you say, about abuse, why are you protective of the only two guys who have been singled out of over 700 mlb players to be abusive? If you cared about "abuse", as you say, the cases of two guys in baseball who have been accused and who have been ostracized, would catch your notice.

But it's weird that only two dudes out of, perhaps, many who like BDSM, choking, or any other kinks - got targeted. Why do you think that is? Choking is a big porn thing. Do you think that only 2 guys in the bigs are into that? Weird how, with the sex trade that goes on in the NBA, nothing like this comes to light.

You realize that people who are multi-millionaires can screen their paramours, right?

WTF does any of this mean? How did "rape" and "abuse" become "politics"? You do understand that most of baseball's population identifies as "Christian", right? Set up? There was a famous baseball groupie who was asked, in the 80's, which players were true to their wives. She said Dale Murphy, and that was all she could come up with. One guy out of 700+. That probably holds true to today, 700 millionaires, having sex on the road, doing all sorts of kinks, but only two guys are called out? Explain that to me. The people on this site love data. So many good ole' boys. So many guys who have been worshipped from little league on. Woman everywhere. But only "2" guys were set up? How does that happen? Do you think these are the only two guys in the game who are abusive? Do you not think there are dozens of "men's rights" guys all over the game who also love the rough stuff, but somehow aren't "set up"? These are millionaires. With agents. With teams coaching these guys on protocol. Explain this to me.

Ask your therapist why that might be.

I was going to write a post about a star baseball player being into some totally legal, seemingly gross sexual thing that is stigmatized, but not in any way wrong, like ... I don't know. You realize that next to no baseball players have come out as gay? Even though maybe ... 5% are probably gay? A White sox minor leaguer came out in the last year. Totally cool. Nothing wrong. No major leaguer has come out in any major sport. Why should dudes who like to abuse, choke and beat up women get a special "oh, it's cool and consensual" pass from society? The gay people in my life are actually pretty boring and moral. They're the ones on the block captain teams. YET! Here we are, making excuses for dudes who fetishize enslaving and abusing women. I think I'd much rather root for Erick Fedde's 1.54 WHIP than Trevor Bauer's cat-tail whip.

No, Taylor St, there's a whole lot more. I'm glad that you cut bait on Bauer at bundy and gacy. There's hope. You should really look into clevenger's baby mama fights. How he uses his millions to sue them for custody, then finds another gf to be nanny. Totally f*cked up situation. I get it. You don't want to know about his personal life. Maybe you should consider the fact that no baseball teams want to deal with his special brand of idiocy. You know? Michael Kopech's a head case. Let's his problems get into his game, or something else. Teams will line up to fix him. You know why? He never choked a woman to passing out, then beat her when unconscious, and then admitted to all of that on a police wiretap. He doesn't have a whole story testified to, under oath, of how he abused his baby mama, her child, locked her out of her living space, sued her for custody, etc. Do you see the pattern? A guy who can't throw strikes but is a fundamentally okay human being will get a million chances. An a-hole who is a predator and an abuser will find his opportunities dry up pretty quickly in a very family-oriented business. I don't have kids. The best way to hang with my nieces and nephews and their kids is at the ball park. I really don't want to encourage the kids in my life to root for that guy who choked a women, beat her, then sued her. I don't want their parents to have to explain that in 20 years. Or for their memories of me to be of us cheering on a rapist. That's really going to be a problem in 20 years. You may have absolved these guys. That's fine. Normal people don't want that in their "consumer" lives. Maybe I'm "woke". I don't want to explain to a 9 year old girl why rape or abuse is okay because some dude throws strikes.

I think Wil Cordero was the first WTF! dude in my White sox life, even though, Jungle Jim Rivera (I think, Liptak can help here) was an accused rapist when Bill Veeck signed him and made excuses for him. Baseball's fun. I don't want to root for dudes, and bring the youngin's in my family out to spend time rooting for, who have raped, strangled, abused, shot at, beat up, or abandoned the women in their life. I get it. You're rock stars. The p*ssy's being thrown at you. Learn how to deal with it. People are bringing their kids to watch you and cheer for you. Into the rough stuff? Be real careful. You got a multi-million dollar career floating on that. The insecure, barn-yard, rat-soup-eatin', MFin' bro-dudes who feel the need to root for that sh*t because it somehow makes them feel stronger, I don't even know how to respond to that. Get help!

Okay, I wouldn't kick Ivanka out of bed for invading the Sudetenland. Yeah, that's the whole point. I think Soroka has "main guy" potential. Fedde and Flexen could certainly eat innings. I think we have more depth than we have before. Kuhl and Woodford can be the Touki and Ureña of '24 until Nastrini and others graduate.

You know who else was likable? Ted Bundy. John Gacy was, too, I'm told. Bauer does a lot for kids. Like mocks underage girls online for their weight and looks. Seriously, WTF is your problem? Why aren't you advocating for Luke Heimlich? You know, the dude who pled guilty for molesting his niece? I hear he's a nice guy, too. Real cheap. Yes, baseball has been littered by bad people. Like Marty Bergen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Bergen_(baseball)#:~:text=Bergen appeared to have a,children before dying by suicide. You're not convinced that Clevenger is a bad guy? Make sure you put that on your Tinder bio.

Oh, okay, so we're walking that back. Good. Getz is throwing out 3 bounce back guys. Maybe one will take. Soroka threw 120 innings last year. Maybe he throws 150 better innings this year. I don't expect Fedde to be an ace. He already has issues with lefties, so he might just eat high-cost innings. There's Kuhl and Woodford before they cycle through the AAAA guys (Burke, Stiever) then maybe Nastrini hits the bigs. You know all of this. We don't need to announce that everyone will be historically bad for cred. Nobody cares. Do I need to repost the Melania pic? If you're hung up on a line of JR's press conference, then I'm sad for you. I don't listen to that sh*t. I just watch what they do.

It's weird that jerk-off bro-dudes haven't gotten on the bandwagon of Luke Heimlich, yet.

Two better than average pitchers aren't worth the PR hit this franchise would take for their participation. I'm not sure why dudes keep bringing up Bauer. He choked a woman to passing out, then beat her when she was unconscious. He admitted this on a wiretap. Do you admire that? Addison Russell was a complete scumbag. He paid child support in quarters, he was such a prick. Clevenger is that much of a manipulative miscreant. How badly does your manhood need your team to rack up an extra couple of wins? Taylor Swift going to Chiefs' games uncovered the untapped market of Dads and daughters mixing it up watching sports. Total fun. I'm not sure how you sell the taunting of underage girls about their looks and weight on Twitter to young girls who are self-conscious about their own image and bodies. Yes, becoming the Raiders of baseball would probably make me, a total JR apologist, lifelong Sox fan, dragger of nieces and nephews to baseball games, stop watching.

You're not disagreeing. You're denying that any of these three pitchers have any business being on a baseball field. Oh, a guy pitched in Korea. That means he will fail miserably. That's childish. I get it. The negativity gets likes. I already see a therapist, I don't need your dime store palm-reading. If you need everybody you encounter to prove to you why they like "things", maybe you should be talking to a professional, too. Not everybody watches a baseball team because they need world championships to buck up their own self-image. Take your own advice. Why do you need to chase down and tackle people who want to be positive about this team? Do you think you're saving them from something? Do you think grown adults don't know that when watching a sports team, their own life's success isn't dictated by a bunch of dudes in tights throwing a ball around?

My point is that normal people don't want to take their kids to a place where they will be rooting for an abusive jerk. Some things are more important than meaningless innings pitched.

It's ridiculous I have to spell this all for you. Soroka was a top 25 prospect in the game. Dude had pedigree. Great numbers coming up through the minors. The ROY-2 season. I don't care that you don't have the ability to understand that players come back from injuries. This whole site mourned the trade of Jake Burger who was written off for dead, and yet another success in the Jerry Reinsdorf failure machine. Jake Peavy came back and had a dominant year after a "career-ending" injury. Your loss. I'm not sure what you're doing here. Well, I recognize the "I'm really smart because I can echo all the negativity here" vibes. What's your end game? To turn me into a whiner zombie? To prove that there's no point in watching sports because everybody fails, so be bro-dude and go bankrupt on FanZone? I've already given you my outlook. I don't have to "prove" it to you. I don't care if you subscribe to it. I'm not going to stop anybody from the daily deluge of dour they vomit onto the intertubes. I don't even remember where this particular back and forth began. I'm interested in Getz's approach and will root for it. You can root for failure.

Thank you. I didn't have a picture of the lineup card from Twitter to post, so I had to write something. I know it's only the Trout-less Angels, but he's looking good through 4.

Soroka on the bump, trying to win that opening day start.

Why are you using fWAR? I thought you said repeatedly that it heavily weights FIP.

What are you even talking about? Yes, Soroka had a very good season before his injury. So good that he finished 2nd in ROY voting. He put up 4.6 bWAR, so yes, you have seen that from him. Chris Flexen went to Korea, reinvented himself, then came back to put up 3.4 bWAR for Seattle in 2021. Maybe you just started following the baseball this year, so I apologize if you weren't aware of these two players' previous success. Data. The level of KBO baseball would slot in somewhere between AA and AAA. Fedde just won the equivalent of their MVP and Cy Young awards. No, that's nothing like the 1.5 bWAR he put up for the Nationals in 2020 shortened season, but it is success on the level of a guy blowing away AA and AAA hitters. You're using absolutes, like "haven't seen", "have done nothing", and "do not have any recent track record". So I can only surmise that, yes, you are arguing that it isn't possible that any of these three pitchers will ever find MLB success. You have proclaimed at numerous times they will be bad. Not "have the possibility of being bad", but that they will be bad. Historically bad. Again, you haven't addressed my argument except to incorrectly state that none of these three pitchers have had any recent MLB success, which is untrue. I understand your need to pretend that none of them have ever thrown a strike, or enjoyed a good outing in their lives. It would make your feeble argument unravel. Well, it would be like a mish mash of yarn that was never raveled in the first place. So, my assertion still stands as factually correct. Pitchers who have had recent success in MLB can come back from injury, or make adjustments to find success again. Flexen, Soroka and Fedde certainly fall into this category. I accept your apology.

I did provide a salient argument. Players having had success at the major league level have a chance to repeat or exceed that success, either by making adjustments, coming back from injury, etc. You haven't proven me wrong, you just choose to whine about very apt metaphors and to engage in pointless name-calling. Not unexpected. You haven't addressed my argument, so until you do, I'll just assume you can't.

The really weird thing is that when people here regularly spout off that this team could lose more games than the '62 Mets (120), I don't see a crowd chase them down and angrily challenge them to describe exactly how that would happen, since it would be extremely hard for a team to be that bad. And to state this team will set the losses record is equally as ridiculous as saying this team could catch fire and win the World Series.

Ho-hum. Are you trying to cheer yourself up? So basically, by your own rules, no pitcher in the minor leagues will ever be good, because they have "no track record of success" in the majors. Guys come back from injury. They learn a new approach or mechanics. I'm not sure what your point is. If you think this team sucks so bad, don't watch. You must be a family favorite at the holidays, arguing with everyone that they're going to die one day, and there's no escape.

Flexen, Soroka and Fedde do have track records of success. It's weird that you're not one of the guys who argued that Dylan Cease will never be better than a 4.5 ERA pitcher, because that is what he just was. I'm not arguing that we will have 5 Cy Young competitors in the rotation. But it's not the level of badness the dour here try to pretend it's going to be.

Lynn sucked. Kopech sucked. I think everyone has forgotten the wonder of Ureña, Scholtens, Toussaint 3, 4 & 5 in the rotation.