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Haha...no prob....I got excited there, I was thinking no way Elias would give away both Mayo and Hjerstad.

This is very encouraging!

No one on this board or in the Sox FO would say no to that deal. I wonder if that's truly a "hypothetical" or something Heyman actually heard.

And hotel/flight/meal expenses will be deducted from the 50k.

He's a smooth talking corporate boot licker. It should be no surprise that he's kept his job. That dude is totally out of his league and is getting by on buzzwords and doing exactly as he's told from mgmt. He knows he will never get another MLB manager job or salary so he will do whatever he can to string it out as long as possible. He's basically just like the guy that hired him in a sense.

If BAL doesn't want to trade Cowser they should strengthen the rest of the package. how about... Kjerstad, Norby, DL Hall and Bradfield For Cease and Santos. And I know Santos elbow could be damaged but that's a risk BAL has to take. If he's OK you got a closer on the cheap. BTV has this as an almost identical tradd in terms of SV. Who says no?

Hmm....opening up space at the right time...

Red Sox would be great...2 of Anthony, Mayer, Teel.

Thank you. Interesting writeup. Surprised they have his power at only 50, I've read elsewhere the power was really good. I guess maybe they would rather have 45 glove at 2nd with Corby than 40 glove with Busch?

That's kind of the flipside. LAD could say "you know we don't have to have Cease, we could easily sign X pitcher for just money and if we don't do a deal now we will turn our attention to that guy instead" So maybe some of this is pressure by parties who have a good offer on the table trying to convince us they will pull the deal and look elsewhere soon. BAL could not do that and CIN also could not do that because they don't spend, but the LAD could make such a credible threat.

JR just laughed at you and muttered "Kids these days" while shaking his head.

@bmags can u post the BA scouting report and grades for Norby too? Thanks dude

Well played....but to be fair he actually is kind of going out on a limb because there are alot of reports the Sox may wait awhile too.

Since Harold thinks something may go down during WM, this suggests there is already at least one strong offer in hand.

You know what I meant. If they can get their massive haul now you do it. From Rosenthals report, LAD is actually being aggressive but maybe BAL is not. We may prefer BAL as a trading partner, but if they already got a real good deal on the table from LAD they may be trying to pressure BAL to step up to see if they can beat it. Either way, I don't think Getz is "rushing things" in the sense that he will accept a mediocre offer now. If there's a deal that goes down now, it's likely to be a good one and the appearance of being close to accepting LAD may get BAL to move.

He isn't necessarily pushing the issue. We've asked for high prices, if someone meets them upfront fine, but if people are going to resist, we are gonna wait it out. Elias apparently turned down our high price so Getz is leaking to his Michigan buddy that something could be imminent in order to get other people to get serious. And that fits with what NBB said too...they want a massive haul, and if it doesn't come fast they will wait for it.

Re: grades on Cowser.... There's like 4-5 good tools there and a LHH. If he gets to that 55 power even as a avg CF that would be great, or above avg RF it's more than fine. That's why Getz is enamored with him. If he is going to come off Cowser and go to Hjerstad he's going to want Corby++ also.

I think the whole thing turns on his ability as a defender at 2B. You've suggested they think he is capable at 2B. If true, it's almost like they are getting a RH version of Michael Busch but with a better glove...very good bat except can actually play the position too unlike Busch. Do you think Getz will be willing to come off Cowser and accept Hjerstad in his place? Or are they concerned about the latter's swing and possibility he may end up at 1B? I also feel with the Cowser thing they have a Robert trade in the back of their mind maybe in like a year or so and want an in house replacement.

Who do they want from LAD?

Getz is trying to pressure BAL and others to reach an agreement and prolly in exchange, Morosi will get to announce the trade.

That would be a very strong package if Pages returns to preinjury form. If the Dodgers are pushing all their chips in like this, it's time for Elias to put up or shut up.

As other pitchers come off the board, the pressure on BAL will increase.

Interesting. I had a strong feeling Getz wanted Cowser because he also adds athleticism and defense to go along with his LH bat (and if Robert is traded later he could slide into CF) so he checks alot of boxes. Perhaps given Jimmy's report, Chicago has come off Cowser and agreed to accept Hjerstad instead, but maybe Getz will want to make up for that on the backend with higher quality 3rd and 4th pieces. Interesting that they don't want Ortiz even though consensus in the scouting community appears to be Montgomery will have to slide to 3B. Norby would be a good 2B. Thanks for the info.....much appreciated.

Hjerstad, Ortiz and DL Hall is 47m in SV whereas Cease is 40m in SV, so it wouldn't be an unreasonable ask in this market. That's fairly similar.

I'm surprised the lower end of the market is moving. Usually don't they wait until the higher end guys sign so there is a more favorable supply/demand situation. I think Giolito will command more than 15m if that's the case and so will Flaherty. I think the idea that we could get both on 1 yr deals for like 25m combined is unlikely in this market.