Look at Ray Ray Run

Except plenty of people said this was a dumb decision the second they made it. That's not hindsight.

You're entrusting the same organization that didn't realize Carlos Rodon's value league wide to determine that Kimbrel was worth 16 million + Trade pieces. I said at the time picking up the Kimbrel option was bad management. It was hanging onto a bad decision instead of cutting ties with it. Kimbrel isn't netting the Sox anything of value. Picking up his option was more bad decision making on MLB talent value by the White Sox front office.

While it's football, I look at the Rams and think most teams should operate that way. The Sox haven't exactly built up minor league depth behind their young core. Their window is pretty reliant on a set group of guys continuing to grow and perform for the limited time they have left here. None of that is really guaranteed. I'd be fine with extending a window if you had more talent in the wings as insurance for some guys just never getting to their ceilings, or regressing earlier than expected. That type of thing always happens. The Sox are honestly already in year 3 of their contention window. If it went 5 years that would be pretty good luck, 6 and you're really pushing it. Which means this year and next year are the prime time to really go for it all. It's about winning titles when you break it down for rebuilds. Not about raising a bunch of central title championships.

I look at things that actually happened. You look at some made up scenario that has no supporting evidence.

I just don't see how it's a bad thing to move Dallas Keuchel out of the rotation. He doesn't really belong there.

It's really really difficult to justify picking up Craig Kimbrel's option for 16 million but not offering Rodon 1 year at 18 million. Rodon will very likely, even with injury risk, cover more innings than Kimbrel in 2022. Kimbrel would not get an offer anywhere near the offer Rodon got in FA. This to me is a process issue. I can respect not wanting to come into the season with the risk of Rodon's health given that Keuchel is bad and Kopech can only throw about 120-140 innings. I completely understand the thought process there. It's just difficult to swallow the Kimbrel and Rodon decision when put side by side, and accounting for the draft pick compensation. It just shows very poor valuation skills by the FO who is, sadly, kind of notorious for that.

Why? Because they didn't offer him the QO because they thought it was too much and that he would accept since he wouldn't get more on the open market. They did him a solid? Jesus Christ. You offer the QO based on what his value is league wide, not based on what you value him at personally. Are you being intentionally dense?

Kikuchi is terrible. Another one of those guys I see floated around here that I have no idea why Sox fans want anything to do with.

I just want them to acquire good MLB players. I don't need a Conforto or etc. I just need them to invest in the product, and shove their chips into the middle. Who knows how long the window will be here. Who knows how long guys will be healthy or performing well. Make it happen now because next year isn't guaranteed.

There certainly are a couple of people who appear to be upset the Sox didn't resign Carlos, but I think the majority of people are upset they whiffed on his value and didn't offer him a QO costing them a 2nd round pick* (clarifying this from a previous post where I said 1st).

lol the FO was literally wrong about his value already.

That was a good one too. The Sox FO knows more about his injuries than anyone else and that's why they didn't sign him. Fast forward.... Carlos is the first guy signing after the CBA finalizes because he was a hot commodity that multiple teams were after. He's a genius for signing in San Fran too; guy might be able to get another deal in two years. That ballpark and organization is a pitchers dream.

I'm not angry the Sox didn't re-sign Carlos, although I fully expect him to be completely dominant in San Fran who maximizes pitchers better than maybe any organization in the game right now. If Carlos stays healthy and throws 180 innings, he finishes top 3 in the NL Cy Young race. I'm angry that the Sox didn't realize that Carlos Rodon was clearly worth more than 1 year 18 million and would NOT accept a QO under any circumstances. It's just inexcusable to be that out of touch with how the rest of the league values players.

Even with the FA/Trade replacement, they should have offered him a QO. He was NEVER accepting a QO for so many reasons. The CBA, even if a disaster, was going to be some kind of improvement for players, so salaries would be slightly better. Rodon was a lefty starter with elite stuff who dominated baseball for 2+ months. Someone was going to gamble on that. No matter what they do the rest of the way, the QO was a no brainer. It was a FREE first round pick. The Sox just don't know what MLB guys are worth, which is why they sell the farm for bums like Kimbrel.

it's honestly laughable that they didn't want him back for 1/18. Said it then and say it again. This team isn't willing to do what it takes to play with the big boys and their understanding of MLB players values is still piss poor.

Although his market may have been a little less with the QO, still gotta figure he gets 2 years 36ish million even with a QO. I remember many here saying "Hahn and the Sox no more about the market than you!" Giving this FO the benefit of the doubt is never a good idea.

Guys numbers in San Fran could be stupid good.

Wow, Rodon to San Fran 2 years 44 million.

Marlins pitching is sneaky sneaky good. I don't really buy their willingness to spend though; given that Jeter quit over like 10 million dollars in budgetary difference. I think the Marlins are a big time sleeper in the East. I love their young staff. And they've got the best pitching prospect in the game, imo, ready to go this year when called upon.

There should be absolutely zero reliance on Oscar Colas for anything. No guy who hasn't played baseball in a year and a half should be counted as being "a year away." Marte is more of an OF'er than an IF'er at this point, I think he likely adds more value in the OF.

In what world?

yeah, i mean nsc is super connected

Wouldn't be shocked to see a Crochet/Vaughn package floated here. Not sure how I'd feel about it, but Reynolds is damn good. I'm still about as high on Vaughn as anyone.

Best part of the lockout was not having to hear these type of rick hahn quotes.

There was no chance gms were talking to agents during lockout given the serious legal ramifications, and with the cba changing and the cbt going up I imagine agents may shift their asks a bit. Think we'll see a waterfall of moves this weekend but I wasn't expecting much yesterday and early today.