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The Sox have a DH?

Can't wait to see the brad miller contract. Hahn gave 3 years to leury lol.

Imagine tanking for three years to rebuild your team and then when you finally reach your window you decide being the 4th or 5th best team in thr AL is good enough

Only way the sox can acquire anything is by giving up more of the very limited player assets they do have lol.

With no real young talent in the wings, which is why this is so maddening. They've got two years to get this done.

You don't through the tea leaves well, huh?

Vaughn needs to see tough big league righties with hard sliders. That's his achilles heel and that's what he has to learn to hit and lay off. He's not going to do that in AAA.

While the projection data was not perfect for Eloy and Robert, there were a couple analysis done on value lost to injuries last year and the Sox weren't even in the top 15 in baseball.

Yeah, I'm just not on board with Sheets taking away big league at bats from Vaughn. I just see no world where Sheets is more important to this teams future than Vaughn. I could be wrong, but I think the Sox caught lightening in a bottle with Sheets last year and expecting him to be a productive MLB DH is just too much imo. Vaughn ceiling as an offensive player is just so much higher, and wasting MLB at-bats on Sheets everyday instead of Vaughn would be a mistake imo. My concern with Lynn is he's a pantload and he doesn't believe in conditioning and he's 35 years old.

The Sox have 6 proven big league hitters in their lineup, and three complete question marks. I don't need them to be the Dodgers, but they could certainly try to be Toronto? And before you say the Sox have a higher payroll than Toronto; 1, I think Toronto makes another splash to get close; 2, toronto doesn't have 30 million tied up in two relievers.

Right, and honestly last year so many things went right for them to have the outcome they did. I know some things went wrong with injuries, but injuries happen to every team. Robert has a history of injuries. Eloy has a history of injuries. Tim misses at least 20-30 days a season. Grandal is nearing a mid-30's catcher. Last year the Sox had a AAA player carry their offense for a month. They had a 2 million dollar SP dominate baseball for over a half. Cease, Lynn and Giolito were all pretty much healthy all year with Cease taking a huge step forward. Everyone in their division had horrible years. They got servicable performances from guys who are out of baseball. The Sox relying on continued development of young guys is just such a risky play by them. They needed to support these guys, not ride their backs solo the rest of the way.

Meanwhile, people on the board are saying we are misunderstanding that the lineup is stacked and you don't need to have an all-star at every position and having a couple weak spots is fine for a WS contender... all the while, the Dodgers said hold my beer while I sign Freddie Freeman.

Yeah, I think people have really undersold the fact that the Sox don't have a DH. All this talk about Vaughn/Sheets in RF potentially being a "hole." Well, if we don't sign anyone they're both starting everyday. If Gavin Sheets was bad, would that honestly be that surprising? If he's bad, does that mean it's Harrison/Leury/Engel between 2B and RF while Vaughn DH's? That's how it's set up right now. Just horribly mismanaged.

Or 2nd base, if Burger plays there.

Honestly, makes even less sense to me then. They traded two MLB assets to acquire Kimbrel to go all-in. Now they're going to turn around and trade Kimbrel, while they're "all-in" for assets that don't even help the MLB ball club?

I don't even want Manaea. I hate acquiring A's pitchers. That ballpark is a pitchers heaven and those guys leave there and weird things happen. I wouldn't hate the move if it wasn't for much, but it just doesn't move the needle for me. Joc/Rosario would be god awful.

The problem with trading is it takes a partner and there's certainly some pride involved on Hahn's side. Any MLB player brought back's salary would hamper what they have to spend. Any MiLB player brought back might require a couple $'s. I guess we'll see. Hahn waiting on an injury in camp or something.

"Our team is on the field." The Sox plan on putting 3 potentially horrendous defensive players on the field at once for much of the year; if the Burger at 2nd base possibilities are to be beleived.

That guy, no idea who he is, said they could spend some more if they trade Kimbrel. I honestly think that's a much bigger if than people realize though.

I saw Chris Martin signed for 2.5 million with the Cubs. I just had to laugh. The Sox gave Vince Velasquez 3 million. Martin very likely to be about as productive as Joe Kelly. The Sox just have no idea how to value MLB players.

We're all talking about holes too. If the White Sox force Vaughn/Engel to play right field, that means the DH is Sheets. I know Sox fans like Sheets, he looked solid last year, but he is far from a for sure producer. The Sox honestly have a hole at DH, RF and 2B. I think Vaughn can be productive and fill one slot, but there's no guarantee there either. It's very possible the Sox have three holes in their lineup and a hole in the rotation.

The bullpen is one thing, but 11 million dollars to utility guys is the back breaker here. Better to just go into the off-season knowing this team doesn't spend at that end of the market. The Sox set the market at 30+ year old catchers and closers... and utility infielders. When it comes to big time everyday contributors, that's out of their range. The Sox are so unoften involved at that sect of the market that when they do get there (Wheeler) they make sure everyone in baseball knows what they offered lol. Paying 29 million dollars to a set up man and a closer is just.... so White Sox. The MONEY was spent.

Not even just that they should have, it's that he cost the same as the two scrubs they decided to sign. The Sox view two scrubs as depth as opposed to signing one actual starter as... you know, a starter. Having an actual starter sure limits the amount of "depth" you need. The Harrison move to me is as inexcusable to me as the Eaton signing. No one was lining up to give Eaton that contract and I guarantee you no one was lining up to give Josh Harrison 5.5 million dollars. Harrison was making 2 million and one million since he left Pitt. Even in Pitt in his "prime" he was making just over 6 million on his long term contract. I actually like plenty of what Hahn does, but his evaluations at the bottom of the market are just so atrociously bad.

And Yet, Cesar Hernandez was BETTER than Josh Harrison last year, the year before, the year before that, and the year before that. WIth that performance that... just sucked. Just because you didn't have to watch Harrison suck, doesn't mean he didn't suck. The Sox spent 13 million on Harrison/Leury/Velasquez. They could have had a competent second baseman for that price. Heck, Simmons can't hit but he can do one thing really well at least. He would have been a better get. The Sox could have signed Eduardo Escobar with their Harrison/Leury $ and still had their 3 million left over for Velasquez.

We have a dramatically different definition of competently. The Sox payroll scales because they waste so much money on these little trash moves. They have spent 13 million dollars on Harrison/Leury/Velasquez. That's basically what it costs to get a guy like Jean Segura; an actual competent second baseman. Who would you rather have, Romy and Segura or that package of trash they have now?