Look at Ray Ray Run

He also had a 4.34 xFIP.

My last piece on the deal. The frustration for me is the Sox are now all in next year - you dont trade for a rental if you aren't. Yet after FA they're payroll will likely rank outside the top 10 in baseball. It's honestly a joke at this point. They just won't spend.

Dunning faced the Royals 13 times in 7 starts which helps a bit.

Yeah, I have no issues dealing dunning I just wanted years back.

I can't keep up, so Lynn's playoff appearances don't count and are small samples but Dunning proved he sucked because he didn't dominate an elimination game where his manager practically told him he was bad and couldn't do it before anything even happened.

Lol so wait, his rookie year playoff appearance means he sucks but Lance Lynn career 4.8 ERA and 1.6 WHIP in 54 post season innings makes him a reliable post season stopper lol

There is absolutely something special about him if he can actually command 4 pitches with average stuff. Hard to say if that's real given his competition last year.

He also faced No one as the sox protected him. I like command pitchers, especially guys who can command 4 of them. I think its the most underrated quality of a SP in scouting circles currently.

Well, here's to hoping things go well next year. I won't like this off season regardless it seems, but thems the breaks as a Sox fan.

I dont use baseball reference war for pitchers. I use it for position players and I use fWAR for pitchers as its more predictive. I've made that pretty clear nearly every time I've cited the stat. In the 5 years prior he had a 10.8 fWAar not 5.5.

It seems you are. You keep calling a guy with one great year in his career an ace. The rest of his career he's been a nice #3 who certainly wasn't carrying anyone in the playoffs with his 4.8 ERA.

Shelby Miller wants his career back.

Keep kicking that can down the road.

Kill. Me. Now. La russa making calls. Lynn will be trash and Dunning a Cy winner now.

Sky not falling but its not a great move by any means and has far too much risk for where they are currently.

His career high fWAR before the last full rangers season was 3.6. Why are you citing his ERA? Their careers WAR before their cy young seasons were nearly identical. What are you talking about exactly? It's a great comparison. I dont trust cutter longevity at all. Many cases of guys not maintaining it for extended periods.

Lance lynn has thrown 54 post season innings and has a 4.8 ERA, and a 1.6 WHIP. A true post season stopper.

People calling him a bona-fide ace have lost their damn minds. Lance lynn has had one season in his career with an fWAR over 3.6. He had one great year in Texas after finding a cutter. There are a lot of examples of that not sustaining itself. One white sox fans are familiar with is Esteban Loiaza.

Mainly because he's a rental and will be 34 going into next year. One plus is he's pitching for his last contract. I'm also just not a big fan of Lynn. He's a horse though and they needed one. Marquez, Darvish, Snell and Gray had years and youth. I absolutely hate trading a viable MLB asset for a one year rental. Next off season we're literally worse off with an owner who won't spend on pitching. Trying to plug a hole year after year this way just isn't a recipe for success.

Of all the pitchers they were rumored to be in on, this is the worst get of them all.

Cool, and I'm sure dunning will never be that in 6 years and the sox can only win next year... so good point all around.

Lol so this fills no hole and they get Lynn for one year. Just blah.

difference is only 300 million dollars so practically the same thing.

I would take on Heyward's contract if it meant Darvish at very little cost in general. Maybe a Bryce Bush/Stiever package for those two. I think the Cubs are more inclined to shed Heyward and Darvish without demanding much than they are to do that with Bryant. I don't think that happens, but that would explain the Sox willing to spend but maybe not liking any FA's this off-season. This is all completely ludicrous and will not happen though.

Opened this thread excited something might be happening, instead I see a Not Steve Cishek tweet. My goodness. I'm fine with these guys wrong and pointless tweets starting discussions in other threads if people like it, but starting a thread based on their intel just feels like a bit much.