Look at Ray Ray Run

Why? It's 100 pitches. Starters should be conditioned to throw 100 pitches. If they're college kids they were throwing a lot more than that in certain starts.

I'm fine with roster restrictions to force this too, but I think that has a harder time getting through due to injury risk caused by that. 100 pitches isn't an injury risk but forces you towards endurance more than max knowing you have to get there.

You're not much older than me, and baseball has changed dramatically from my younger years. I don't see age as the issue here. Even in 98, sps avg 6.1 ip per start. That's only .2 ip less than in 1979, 1964, 1955 etc. In 2024, it's 5.1. It was 5.7 in the 2010's. It's 5.0 in the 2020's. The game has changed more in the last 15 years than it had in the 80 prior.

You think the pitch clock hasn't been a good thing for baseball? The NBA has made more rule changes than any sport to change how it is played an accommodate for changes. Soccer and uh...... Baseball! Lol you sure you still watching baseball pal?

Salary relief as a team already in line to have a bottom 5 payroll in the game. What an embarrassing organization this is

Other sports dictate this.

Correct. The game is too analytical. It's too max effort. It's not enough endurance and it's not situational enough anymore. It promotes a game that lacks action. I think there's probably plenty in the baseball and baseball analytics community who agree.

Every other sport has changed rules plenty of times due to technology and change in speed/skill/etc. The idea that baseball should never change rules to accommodate the games changes is short sighted imo.

I'd prefer 5 runs to 4. Beyond that, seems fine. Dodgers or rays would have no problem il'ing someone just for an edge though.

I LOVE this.

No I didn't? I said there is no Bannister of hitting. That impact does not exist on the hitting side, not the job. I didn't even know Bannister job title, sheesh.

I didnt say the position didn't exist. The impact of said position is no where near the same across orgs. It's also why, I think, pitching has dipped in value a bit as it's more developable. Hitting itself is a much harder and more individually unique skill than pitching a baseball. There's a reason driveline was driven by pitching development as we're most analytically driven baseball start ups.

1. No one goes into an org and turns the hitting machine around in one year. Pitching, at the highest levels, is so mechanical and driven by metrics and data. Hitting is way more mental, and way more reactionary. Reactionary skills are much harder to refine and way harder to change across a huge population of players. 2. Read the book Superforecasters to understand how non-expert our public expers are in the world of forecasting and modeling.

1. There is no Bannister of hitting. Hitting and pitching are nothing alike. 2. How can you like a draft that just happened? Jaysus. You sound like Jimmy liking a 19 year old with 12 professional at bats. He has proven nothing on the amateur side. I read earlier the Sox have a good amateur scouting program. What in the world could make anyone possibly think that?

One of the weirdest things I've seen on here, which is saying something. The most losses in franchise history was 106. Last year they lost 101 for the first time since 1970. Getz is going to lose twenty+ more games than that. It's unbelievable. The Sox have had some awful teams and yet he destroyed them all. People keeping saying the difference between this guy and Getz guy is .5, .3, etc WAR. Yeah people, no one is saying the previous sox were good or would he good. They lost the most games since 1970. Were saying Chris getz made a terrible team into a team so embarrassing that I have not been to a game. Haven't taken my son to his first game because this team is a literal embarrassment to the sport. Haven't watched a full game in months - I wouldn't miss a game in an 82 win season. Chris getz called out last years team. Then made them look like the 27 Yankees comparatively.

I don't need his FIP to be great. I also don't need it to be 4.8+. No matter how much weak contact you induce, no one is running an ERA a full run better than their fip consistently. Also, a lot of noise in weak contact through that kind of sample. His minor league track record was sparkling but he was traded by two teams. Thorpe needs another pitch.

I'm not drawing conclusions on Vargas, although concerned a little bit for the same reason his stock has dipped a bit. Thorpe is a pretty easy evaluation imo. I look over into the twins dugout and I see his ceiling sitting there in Chris Paddack and Paddacks fastball has always been better than thorpes even though it's also trash. Paddack fooled the league for his first trip through with an elite change up and then became what every other one pitch starter becomes.

More amazing that the White Sox have a GM that is less qualified than some people here are for that job.

Trout is still a star whenever he's on the field. This isn't a similar thing imo. Injuries suck, but no one is cursing trout being in the lineup when healthy.

He did not have 5 consecutive great starts. He had a FIP of 4.8ish before he ever got "hurt."

It's amazing to me how many Sox fans are fighting for the respect of Chris Getz.

I'm very aware of what it means. Drew thorpe has one plus pitch, with a subpar fastball as a starter. One pitch starters aren't a recipe for stardom. His entire value is tied to one pitch maintaining elite value and even then that makes him a #4. I was never impressed with thorpe this year as most of his success was just driven by good luck.

When aren't you deferring your opinions to someone else? Drew Thorpes ceiling is a #4.

The prospect ranking world is ripe with group think and are not an authority on evaluation imo.

The White Sox were horrible last year. This year, they're on pace to win TWENTY THREE fewer games than that horrible team. 23 games last year is the difference between the White Sox and the world series appearing diamondbacks (84 wins). Getz took the inferno and turned it into a nuclear explosion. That's not even to speak for the fact that there biggest problem is zero talent developed internally which was his main job prior.