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So back to back trade deadlines KC finds Ragans and Bergert. Both guys have elite level skills and look like they are real studs. Ragans hurt obviously now. That's how you identify a strength, scout to it and develop it. And I loved both guys prior to their breakout so Getz blows again.

Im not surprised. The kid is a top shelf athlete so where he may lack top end foot speed he makes up for it with agility and smooth transitions.

As someone who would never ask to have a post removed, ill agree with Cali for once and say we're all adults or enough of one that we shouldn't need censorship to save us from meanies who disagree. I personally enjoy it a bit when I get someone so fired up they gotta resort to personal jobs instead of refuting the point at hand.

Why would you have to pay anyone. Quality bullpen arms are available with good scouting and development for cheap. It's an indicator of poor scouting and development in that space.

The Bulls are a dumpster fire yet they're light years ahead of the Sox.

If only they'd start counting that instead of actual runs!

Back to back years with the worst bullpen (at least back end) in baseball. The cheapest and easiest part of a team to find success, and Getz has been abysmal.

Huh? What is going on here lol. Mental gymnastics isnt mean or personal. Count Another poster who came to the Sox because they thought they're other fanhood teams are poorly run. The irony in that statement is incredible to me. The Sox are one of the three worst organizations in professional sports.

Who said he gets all the credit? He certainly deserves credit himself, as he built on the foundation established before him, but we dole out too much credit to singular people in this space as is. While bad leaders deserve much of the blame for failure, successes are typically an outcome of a good structure with a lot of smart and talented people working together.

Mental gymnastics = personal attack? Huh?

I love how you criticize Stearns because of his year 1 results, but then absolve Getz of any blame (as If he was an outsider brought in and not the guy in charge of PD on that historically bad team) because it was the prior regime. The mental gymnastics people will go through is remarkable. Also, I said it elsewhere but one sign of a great leader and builder is that when you leave, things don't miss a beat.

At the time you started saying that, it was .420 since May 1st. It's going in the wrong direction if youre trying to yell progress.

Can't believe how many times Getz has been compared to Stearns on this board. Also, this is Getz second year while most of those guys are still in their first. In Getz first year he set the record for worst team in MLB history. None of the guys you are critiquing have come close to that level of ineptitude. In fact, everyone on that list is better than this year's White Sox after the great "progress year" from Getz. Pretty funny.

Yeah, putting Getz and colson in the same sentence is offensive to colson.

My issue is no one would ever be excited about a 100 loss team, if they hadn't lost 120.

I'd argue it's the most predictable if we're talking regular season, just for the simple fact that it has the most games so the most outcomes and opportunities for skill to rise. None of them are predictable in the sense that these guys, for the most part, are so close in talent.

Why would anyone defend Getz? Ishbia will not be promoting from within a failing organization. That I am certain. I'm also certain no one will ever be clamoring for Getz to run their baseball team in my life.

Sox had a 73 wRC+ in Match/April, and 91 since with bad defensive and base running numbers as a group. Is it better? Yes. It's also the 4th worst in baseball since April.

Burger had basically the same length of success with Miami as he did with the Sox. Hendriks best years were with the A's. Dunning's best year was with Texas. Graveman's best year was with Sea/Hou. Quintana is still in the league with a 3.32 ERA at 36, 9 years after leaving the Sox. Middleton was a middle reliever who was on his fourth team with when he signed with the Sox, proceeded to have a 4.58 FIP while with the Sox. Not sure why he's included. Ironically enough, once the Sox traded Middleton, he had a shut down 14 innings for the Yankees.

I think his slider was being classed incorrectly his last few appearances of 2024 as a cutter. He talked about them tightening the spin and the velo was up a little. I dont really have much to go on outside of visual, but just my thoughts.

If anything, the Dodgers told him to just throw his fastball and slider and to scrap everything else, while the White Sox had him throwing 4 pitches.

I don't see much noticeable change with the White Sox in pitch mix: April-June, his four seam usage was right around 78.25% June through end of July it was 77.5% August and September it was 77% If the transformation was one less fastball per 100 pitches, I'm having a hard time buying it.

Kopech's ERA in July before traded (his last month with the White Sox) was 5.79 in 9 innings. August with Dodgers .68 ERA September with Dodgers 1.86 ERA Very confused how he "was a shut down closer" before he left.

I know, I'm speaking of Davis Martin. He's not literally 40, but he's not a young arm. The guy will be 29 in a few months.

I think most people in this thread are far too high on Burke. I don't think he's a MLB starter. He has one average pitch and then four below average offerings. With Cannon, he at least has two possible + offerings. I think he could be worked with to be serviceable possibly. Martin is like 40 years old.