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Agree 100%. If you're trying to acquire Robert it's because you understand he's a difference maker (possibly), and if you believe that then you believe he could end up being a bargain.

The White Sox simply gambled on the wrong guy. They could have gotten a good haul for Robert this past off-season but they decided to trade Crochet instead. If they held Crochet until deadline and traded Robert, they'd be in an incredible position and would have acquired a lot more prospect capital. Timing is as important to trades as anything else in the process.

LOL I'd love to know what team out there, looking to acquire Robert, wouldn't be willing to pay him 20 million when the White Sox are willing to do so.

It means it was a nice trade, jaysus man. I said it three times. My other points are just around how trades are discussed in general. The idea that this guy is a consensus top 5 prospect is a public-consensus which is significantly different than where teams value guys. I then went on to explain it pretty in depth and nicely here: "For example, I know several teams wouldn't have an 18 year old that low in the farm in their top 5 because the risk associated with the time-to-majors is substantial. Look at former top prospect, within the same farm, Salas who people had "consensus in the top 10 prospect" just a couple years ago." You have a hard time just saying you misread something and moving on. Trying to tell me what i said over and over again is beyond weird.

Said it elsewhere, but Bader and Robert aren't all that similar in my opinion. Robert is a much better base runner, he's equal defensively, and his bat is much better. Bader has had a better year productivity wise, but his xWOBA is in the 24th percentile. Robert is up to the 42nd percentile and climbing. Bader fills a hole with a guy. Teams acquiring Robert are hoping he gets hot and can carry the offense at times. Bader isn't carrying any offenses.

Everyone in the thread was calling it a big win for Oakland. I chime in saying it's a nice deal and that prospects are being overvalued. Somehow you've taken that to mean I said something I never said. Weird stuff!

Huh?

Where did I say that? I said it was a nice deal.

As I referenced there, I wouldn't really take to much credence in a guy being exactly #15 for example. I more-so review that tool to see if a player has increased or decreased value perceptually YoY across the league, but where they sit on an individual team board is so relative to that teams situation and their organizational strengths. For example, I know several teams wouldn't have an 18 year old that low in the farm in their top 5 because the risk associated with the time-to-majors is substantial. Look at former top prospect, within the same farm, Salas who people had "consensus in the top 10 prospect" just a couple years ago.

Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett.

I dont buy much consensus noise knowing what I know about how teams value guys. The odds that the kid is in the top 5 of 50% of teams individual values is less than 50/50.

Nice deal. Prospects are so overrated by market and fans these days it's insane.

Pretty funny to toot bader who has expected numbers much worse than robert. The outcome has been better, but much of that is just noise.

If the Sox could get Mick Abel for Luis Robert they should have traded yesterday. Obviously this is a fake account but just saying.

Something is better than nothing for Slater.

I find it to be a decent barometer for league perspectives on trade value as its the only series that gets front office thoughts from most teams to determine a players spot. Do I think it defines value? Nope, but I do think a guy going from HM to top 17 is likely a guy the league views more fondly than they did the year prior. I also dont think it should be a surprise to anyone that crochet staying healthy and leading baseball in IP would increase his value quite a bit given that his only concern was health and durability. Also @MEANS, why don't you try participating in the discussion for once instead of going around adding bag emoji's over all my posts. While I appreciate the emojis, I'm sure you'd enjoy it more if you just got to call me a dope instead of using the emoji.

Well, take it up with the ranking he received. I'd usually hesitate to cite anything publicly available as a good barometer, but they do a good job communicating with team leaders throughout the league and getting a good baseline. It seems undeniable that he's worth more today than he was even 5 months ago.

Because he is worth more today post extension than he was worth pre-trade. Doesn't mean they can't do well in the trade they did make

Robert mania

Two yacks against two toughhh lefties too.

Please let me know what else I can work on so that one day I can sit at the big boy table with you.

After being an honorable mention last year, Crochet moved up to #17 on fangraphs trade value series --- with his contract. Crochet has certainly gained more value since the Sox traded him, but he remains polarizing because of any perceived injury concern. In this case though, I'd argue the Sox made the wrong gamble with Crochet but that doesn't mean they cant come out ok from the trade.

Sox couldn't have traded him sooner, couldn't have helped him develop better, and couldn't help him stay healthier. With all their past successes, they've earned the benefit of the doubt from me.

So if they trade for Vientos, will it have been planted? Or real? Just want to catch up to where you were in your 30's. I'm on the record saying multiple back-end prospects with limited reps/younger age would be better than Vientos. A Vientos package is a worst case scenario imo.

The White Sox being insistent on Vientos, as reported, somehow means he's the only kind of player available to you. Under the way you are portraying this, the White Sox can never do any better on any trades because these were the only players available....