Look at Ray Ray Run

In my opinion, improving a player means moving them off their trajectory/projected path. Vargas is very much in line with his projections when the Sox acquired him. Therefore, I hesitate to call that a vast improvement. Now if the Sox got/get something out of Curtis Mead, that would be a big improvement and deserving of credit.

His big improvement? Huh. The guy put up numbers last year that were like 4% better than his projections when the Sox acquired him.

I think this says his medicals are shot. Which wouldn't be surprising.

He's a big leaguer and they need more of those, so it wouldn't be a bad addition to the team but him falling off a cliff wouldn't be surprising either.

Not sure how it's not business as usual. It would be signing a 32 year old coming off a career year... A guy who has graded out as a negative defender every year of his career, and by a good bit. Someone who between age 24 and 29 basically was worth 0 WAR over 450ish games. He won't demand a big contract, he's a strong-side-of-platoon bat, and he's projected for a little over 1 WAR. This is absolutely business as usual.

This is fair. Didnt realize i selected so late!! Although I did say they would win in the high 50's in other spots and that they definitely wouldnt break their own record.

Yeah... that's what I said.

Moreno at least has been trying to win his entire tenure. Trying to win is much more valuable than what Jerry has been doing imo. That said, obviously John Fisher is worse than Jerry. He doesn't spend any money or try to win, he actively forces stars out of town, he tanked the team and stadium in Oakland so he could move the team to Vegas who doesn't even want a team, and he's now playing in Sacramento in a minor league sham of a stadium. He basically ran a public hate-campaign against Oakland and their fans. At least Jerry has the respect to hate us mostly in private. Jerry has had periods where he invested to win. While the A's have had some nice seasons, it's been in spite of Fisher.

Fajardo is rising. I think we see him in the top 15 in some publications at start of next year.

I'm not even sure Eddy believes what he says; maybe just trying to convince himself. What I can't figure out is before the year, in the predict how many games the Sox will win thread, Eddy picked the right answer (same as me!). But now he says "Getz exceeded expectations and was a B to B+." How did he exceed expectations if he won the exact amount of games you predicted from the start of the year. Make it make sense?!?!

I mean... if the tax gain on that loss is greater than the interest accumulation minus the taxable benefits of that interest then it would absolutely make sense to report paper losses while taking on debt and interest to pay for that loss. It's also not crazy to take on debt to clean up a balance sheet prior to sale which could also be playing a role. I certainly wouldn't say no one is doing that because that's not true. I'll edit to say capital has been expensive making this harder to do and it wouldn't be smart for someone who is actually running negative cash flows.

If we just use the 41% number, it would put there total operating expenses around 212 million making them profitable this year if they run the same/similar revenue numbers. Not sure where the 185 in player expenses is coming from for 2024. I also think it's very likely the Sox were under spending on the admin side so their salary-share-of-revenue is likely higher than the league avg at 41.7%.

No chance tucker needs to take a prove it deal and at 25 million? Guy is going to sign for 400+.

Ok, so what are you doing with the other 158 million?

The team was the worst team in the American League. I don't think feelings have anything to do with an F grade for an F performance. Also, Ishbia is taking over in 4 years at the earliest, and you're "hoping" they're hovering around .500 by then. Sounds like a lot of F's still to come then. The cavalry from the 17th ranked farm system is on their way to save the 31st ranked MLB club.

Wow, im creating a little fan club of my own here. Happy to give purpose!

Pal, you're calling me a dick and getting upset about words on a screen. You need to take your own advice. None of this is that serious, and the one making emotionally driven posts appears to be you. Btw, I love bumping old threads. Some here don't like it, but I love it for the laughs.

People online really need to get out of their feelings and stop thinking things are personal. I never call people names or get personal. We're all just shooting the s%*# about the White sox. If I hurt your feelings, no offense but people should look in the mirror and ask how it's possible their feelings can get hurt talking about a baseball team. Pretty embarrassing! The woe is me stuff is also super cringe.

This not related to this situation as Shota has been getting kilt, but the past 7-8 years of playoff baseball has been a battle of what manager can ignore common sense the least. It has become the manager show.

I think there are a few things that count against the Sox. 1. Continuing to bet on Crochet, even just to trade him at the deadline, I believe would have netted more than they got. 2. Crochet extension is going to end up being well under market value which will add to his value as the deal goes on, even though it was signed post trade 3. True #1 SP are the most valuable asset in baseball in the playoffs these days - especially as the league shifts towards more arms and shorter outings. Crochet is more and more rare of an asset as time goes on imo. I believe they could turn around and trade Crochet tomorrow for more than the Sox got.

If there's no way to judge this trade for 3-4 years, how can Getz get a passing grade this past season because of the Crochet trade? I agree by the way.

Sox traded another generational talent for a utility infielder, a volatile reliever, a corner outfielder rocking a 144 ISO in AA, and a ++ Catcher. Crochet lead the Red Sox to the playoffs (not a playoff team without his starts and record), and then just dominated one of the best offenses in the game to carry his team to a game 1 win. Meanwhile, people are posting videos of Kyle Teel hitting homers for a 60 win baseball team and saying "thank you Crochet." 😂 In year one the Red Sox have undoubtedly won the trade. On to year two!

Some of us have been talking about the possibility of greatness since day one, others are bumping threads dunking on people even though they've proclaimed the Crochet trade a win for the Sox. Only a select few of us have been consistent since day 1. Crochet is a unicorn. You dont trade unicorn given their scarcity. Teel and Meidroth cant replace a guy who has the skillset to piggy back a team to a title. If montgomery isnt a ++ big league player, the Sox and Getz lose another trade badly. What im trying to understand is why are you and westeddy pounding your chest on a players performance that you both sing Getz praises for trading lol?

They don't make the playoffs without him. If they do anything this post season it'll likely be because of him. Guy has owned the Yankees too. Guy is a freak.

100 MpH on pitch 117.