Look at Ray Ray Run

I mean... the only way the Sox end up with these guys is if they get contracts smaller than Jorge polanco so far. Which apparently required an overhead projector presentation on transparency film to the chairman by Getzy and Brooks. Don't disagree it's nice to be in a rumor... I guess.

Imagine having to beg for an exception to sign a guy for 34 million total in the modern game.

Nope, was wrong about that.

That last year of Carlos Lee was something to respect and appreciate from a badness perspective. He only went on to get worse when he left too. The crown probably has to go to Albert though. While defensive metrics are a little volatile, a consolidated ranking based on metrics going back to Belle's debut in 1989, if you exclude DH's and players years as a DH, Albert ranks 1029 out of 1039 defensive players who received more than 2000 innings in the field.

Antonacci is just where Meidroth was a year ago. Those guys have run such similar numbers throughout their amateur career. One guy is just left handed. Antonacci has walked a bit more, but no way that continues with the guy running an ISO under .100. That's me being generous too since Meidroth just ran a .067 ISO for the year. If he doesn't add some power, he'll be dealing with the same challenges Meidroth deals with. No one wants to walk a guy who can't do damage, but neither guy punishes pitchers who challenge them and/or make mistakes. Meidroth is at least a ++ defender, while Antonacci can't really stick anywhere but 2B consistently on the infield (IMO).

Fixate? I made one comment and SS2k disagreed so I asked him to link some sources claiming he was consensus #1 going back multiple years... he said we must have been reading different things so I asked him to link those things since I wanted to read them. Jaysus.

What are any of you talking about? All i said is consensus picks in baseball don't hold pole position often. I said he's only been in this position for less than a year. SS2K disageeed said it's been three years so I asked him to show me that.... because obviously the kid isnt going on 3 years as the consensus #1 pick. Ss2k changed the topic, pretended he didnt say that, and then claimed i was whining about something else lol. is this thread a twilight zone?

Pal, I said Roch hasn't been the consensus #1 pick even for a full year responding to your going on 3 years comment; he wasn't one before the start of last baseball season. You said we must be reading different things... I asked you to link those things you were reading because I couldn't find them anywhere. Didn't realize that would cause a stir.

I certainly agree he's been the consensus pick since the college season ended. That's being the consensus pick for 6 months, certainly not going on 3 years as SS2K said. Kid has a 50% chance at best of holding the post position. Hope he does and hope he's a generational player, but odds are against him.

Since May of last year. May of 2024? Where?

I'm just asking you to link some pundits that were saying that. I haven't seen anything out there prior to his breakout this past season.

Would love for you to provide any links claiming he was the consensus #1 prospect prior to the start of this past season. Using the google machine, the highest I could find him was 5th on some random medium blog: https://medium.com/@oliver.mitsuo/2026-top-50-college-draft-prospects-b394ca46d6b2 Also, he wasn't in the top 10 of sportsbook odds to win the POY, so not sure what you were seeing there either. Kid may continue to dominate and this becomes moot regardless, but being fixated on someone not named Bryce Harper before an amateur season is played isn't a good betting strategy.

Guy wasnt even in the top 10 most likely to win college POY entering last season, let alone a shoe to be a future 1-1.

He has? Guy was the 17th ranked player in his high school class.

Said it earlier, but this is such a silly thing to say in December. We have no idea what will happen over the next few months, and in baseball it's rare for some consensus guy to maintain a firm grip on #1. It wouldn't be crazy if the best year of Roch life was this past season. Happens in baseball all the time.

Bad defender and base runner who doesnt carry the iso value to trust sustained success as a hitter only imo. Lost some bat speed already last year, getting older, and just think that iso and bat speed continues down from here. I also just dont trust thet he's suddenly hitting lefties.

FV's for guys like Schultz are funny though. His distribution more likely looks like this: If he gets healthy and stops over tinkering his likely outcome is as a 1 or high 2 (far right of the distribution), but if the knee/body doesn't hold up allowing him to maintain his mechanics then he's a zero. I just don't see much middle with Schultz. Maybe when you average those out you get a 50, but he's an example as to why using the FV grade to dictate star power doesn't always work.

O'Hearn going to turn back into a pumpkin. Good on him for getting a few bucks with a nice stretch of games

Yeah, wasnt doing any math as much as making the point that this "great" end of season run came in situations where the Sox protected him from exposure (used opener to limit top of order times through) and he could of qualified for a win like one time.

Always liked Newcomb. Lot of risk with injury, and lack of success in this capacity, but I think he'll have a nice little run here in his thirties as a useful reliever though. A lot of base runners, so he'll be pitching out of jams with some frequency, but like his sinker keeping the ball in the infield as a reliever will help limit damage.

As I already showed, his swinging strike rate did not spike with that time (excluding our one WASN game). Having a spike in k-rate without a spike in swinging strike rate doesn't have a lot of sustainability. I don't want to keep going back and forth on Burke. I've already likely wasted enough words on a guy who isn't worth this much of a review.

A #3 starter who avg 3.2 IP per start. What are you talking about pal?? Sheesh

Relative to other pitchers with his similar usage, he was the 81st ranked arm of 87. He stunk. Arguing otherwise is truly baffling. No one is saying he stinks relative to me and you. His swinging strike rate went from 10.5% to 11.8% the final few appearances. While an improvement, it was all obtained in the final start of the year vs the Nats (again) where he ran a 21.3% swinging strike percentage. If you removed that OUTLIER (which is what it is), his swinging strike percentage from July 12th on was..... 10.8%. Nothing about his stuff played up but for one appearance. If your swstrk% doesn't change, your k/9 change is just sequencing noise mostly.

His minor league numbers show impeccable control (meaning he threw a ton of strikes, and his stuff was good enough at that level to keep people off balance in the zone), but command doesn't truly get tested until you start getting smacked around in the zone. So far, his command in the big leagues has been bad.

Don't want to get too much into the weeds on this, but his curve is good because of his angle of attack. There's a reason a lot of guys don't have good curves and good sliders, and it's because the angle you want to come through with the arm that creates the action is different for both pitches. Not just grip oriented. Burke would have to change his angle of attack, which isn't a guarantee to produce a + slider and isn't guaranteed for any pitcher. It would definitely impact the quality of his curve ball though.