Look at Ray Ray Run

I posted it in another thread a couple weeks back. I'm on mobile so will try to recall. Crochet the 2nd highest k rate. He's only pitcher with k rate over 12 per 9 and a walk rate under 2. Also only with 11+ ks and a walk rate under 2. Lowest FIP. This is with any starter with 100 or more IPs in the past 25 years. He's got the number one k/bb %, besting spencer strider. Garrett crochet is a unicorn . Jose Fernandez, chris sale, Jacob degrom, and Spencer strider. That's the crochet company in k to bb which normalizes faster than most metrics.

I've seen this proposed across baseball many times yet I don't think I've seen it happen more than maybe once; if at all.

He's not having success. Thats understating it. He's doing things that only 5 guys in the past 25 years have done.

I'd love it. This team could have a real nice staff too. Not sure where the runs will come from, but they've got some great arm talent. Let garrett anchor it.

Every pitcher has missed time for something at this point so that stat is pretty misleading imo. What is the injury percentage to start with? If you're saying any arm injury during a career as a pitcher, it's gotta be in the 70s at this point. So is reoccurrence even increased over initial injury rates? Arms can either handle the strain or they can't. It's an unnatural motion. I will forever believe, barring analysis to the contrary, that some can handle it and some can't and beyond that it's just year to year noise. Imo, we don't know if crochet can handle it or not as he's a completely different pitcher with different mechanics, and a different build. He's just as likely as the next guy. Are you arguing there's degrees of probability? Id certainly love to see the breakdown.

Market value. Sox have nothing on the book. I'd give him a 6 year extension, buy out 4 FA years with a team option on 7. Give him 120 for the FA years with 30 mill option and projected Arb numbers for next two. Basically values out around the rodon contract.

They should extend crochet. I grew up a fan of a team that kept the majority of their star players at least through a 2nd contract. This new way the Sox operate is incredibly depressing. Crochet is a generational talent, and as fans we determine which year is best to trade him... not me.

Agree, with some discipline and support around him in the lineup. Robert is going to help carry whoever acquires him for some period of time.

Yeah, incredibly disappointed it looks like they're moving him. Whatever they get back, it won't be enough.

I would laugh in every gms face if they tried to talk down Crochet. He's a unicorn and everyone knows it. You're getting him for 2 1/2 years too. He could be the best pitcher, or top 3 on the less optimistic side, in baseball next year; only thing holding him back this year is innings. Crochet will continue to develop, would bet another pitch makes it's way into the arsenal at some point.

Injuries themselves are not predictive to the point of being projectable, meaning they're just noise and each opinion is as good as the next. I'd actually argue his prior IP is a good thing. I've used this example a few times here already, but it's what I loved about wheeler going into FA. Limited innings and a TJ out of the way is a damn good thing. Wheeler was always hurt in his early 20s and never hurt in his 30s. Crochet has never been hurt because of endurance issues. There's no prior history of durability challenges caused by usage. To me that means there's nothing to substantiate the idea that his arm is at risk any more than the next guy as innings go up. Limiting innings has promoted effort increases. They're directly correlated. Garrett has a lot of innings left on that arm.

Sure, but not a lot of data supporting the conclusions of his employers.

The Dodgers don't even have enough to get crochet alone imo. They just don't match up well.

I have no idea what he's conditioned for. What I know for certain is that ever since we started managing innings, injuries are up.

The sox just added like 2 MPH yoy organizationally. This happened as well for the Astros a few years back and some other teams. There are absolutely ways to add velocity.

This is a fine angle, just probably need to develop a non-big lefty starter one of these days.

It's not that I think smith won't be good, it's that this org needs to do something else to actually become successful.

Most pros today at that level have their own developmental coaches and etc.

Exact opposite. Sox aren't in a position to draft to development strength over org needs. Would have liked any of the three position players there.

oh wow, so Fedde is worth more than Norby and Beavers?

So now we're looking at a starters last three starts? Got it.

If you took away cease two worst starts this year: 3.35 ERA/2.90 FIP Pretty damn good, eh?

Crochet is a unicorn. Cease is a really nice #2/3. Said elsewhere but CF is currently the weakest offensive position in baseball. Robert Is a huge upgrade for a team there.

Mets are in a wildcard race. I'd give anything to be the Mets right now.

Ray doesn't really belong on that list but yes, Ray was great. He was also 29 when he did that.