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CK, the bar I was at last night here in very rural western Michigan - blue moon beer is very new out here - but how backwards are we? The bar is in a town about 20 miles from where I live and my first time ever there - when the bill came, I gave the waitress my debit card to pay the bill and she and the bartender cracked up laughing and the bartender said, "you've never been in this town before have you?" Yes - the place so f***ing rural I couldn't even pay by a debit card - fortunately my friend had cash with him to cover my tab...

this post comes closest to my feelings Gallas does lousy at his job but this post contains a lot of validity

can I drink Coors or is anyone boycotting it? back in the 70s and 80s we leftist types were boycotting Coors for a lot of labor and political reasons - is that all over?

I don't drink - nothing moral, just too cheap and I do prefer my caffeine free diet coke for taste - however -- last night out with a friend and he made a comment on some new beer being all the fad, blue moon beer, and the bartender (and she was adorably cute and my friend was hitting on her all night!) overheard and gave us each a sample - I don't like beer at all - I loved blue moon beer and drank - well, a copious amount. Anyone know anything about this beer?

I would be very interested to hear your grand parents story. How did they know to get out, what difficulties did they go through, etc. And I would suspect then that you through them had family lost in the Holocaust. To my way of thinking, you are ethnically Jewish (or half Jewish) and being ethnically Jewish does not equal practicing Judaism. You are also a Christian. I think it is cool! And you also an American. All cool!

I was stunned today to learn that on 13 January Fred Holstein died. I could tell a few Fred stories which would mean nothing to anyone. He was very kind to me the one time I met him, and was a part of one of the memorable evenings in my life. I came across the story in the 14 January Chicago Tribune; the story I read is below. I was reading the 1-14 paper in the sauna at the local health club. Because I was sitting in a sauna, a place where people sweat, no one knew it was tears and not sweat running down my face. Fred: thank you for what you gave to Chicago folk music. The Trib obituary follows. Fred Holstein was the first to tell you he lacked the talent and grace of such contemporaries as John Prine, Bonnie Koloc, his younger brother Ed, the late Steve Goodman and some of the other talents that defined the city's folk music scene in the 1960s and 1970s. But those performers and thousands of fans would have told you that no performer symbolized the heart of folk music more soulfully than Fred Holstein. Beset in recent years by various maladies, Mr. Holstein, 61, died of heart failure Monday after undergoing emergency abdominal surgery at Swedish Covenant Hospital. "I always had such great affection for Fred," said Koloc, who will dedicate songs to Mr. Holstein at one of her rare local performances, Friday night at Fitzgerald's in Berwyn. "He was the authentic folk singer on the scene. He sang with such truth and conviction." Born and raised on the city's South Side, where his family ran a drugstore at 79th Street and Michigan Avenue, Mr. Holstein got hooked on music after attending a Pete Seeger concert at Orchestra Hall. He purchased his first guitar for $14.95 and taught himself to play by singing along with records and studying songbooks. As a teenager he began to sneak into and then play at the folk clubs that dotted Wells Street in the Old Town neighborhood. His rich baritone and charming, if rumpled, stage presence made him a favorite. When a bar called the Earl of Old Town decided to feature folk in 1966, Fred was on the opening night bill and became, along with Prine, Goodman, Koloc, Jim Post and others, a familiar presence at the club, which became the capital of the folk music world. As folk music had a burst of popularity, Mr. Holstein never begrudged the record deals and big concert success of some of his colleagues. He admitted to a reporter that he "could never get the hang of writing my own songs" but regarded himself as "an interpreter. What I do is about the songs, about the art, about the work." When the folk boom went bust in the 1970s, he still found places to play and supplemented his income by booking various clubs and tending bar at others. In 1981, Fred and his younger brothers Ed and Alan--"the herd of Holsteins," as folkie Art Thieme always fondly referred to them-- opened Holsteins, a music club on North Lincoln Avenue. "He was one of the most generous people in the world," said Alan Holstein, who is in sales and manufacturing. "I am always proud to say I am his younger brother." "He's the one who go me into music, my life," said Ed Holstein. "He influenced so many people, not just with his music but with his huge heart." Holsteins had a good long run, closing its doors on New Year's Day in 1988, with the crowd accompanying the "herd of Holsteins" in a rousing rendition of "For All the Good People." Mr. Holstein later worked as a bartender at the Lincoln Avenue tavern Sterch's, but his performances were infrequent. He was genuinely surprised by the interest and enthusiasm generated by the 2001 release of a two-CD release, "Fred Holstein: A Collection." It was his first CD, combining remastered tunes from his only two LPs, songs from the archives of WFMT-FM, and even snippets of interviews. The CD seemed to reinvigorate him, and he performed every few months at the Abbey Pub with his brother Ed. "I never knew so many people still remembered who I was," he told a reporter after one of the packed-to-the-rafters shows in 2002. Never much for exercise or a regimen of healthy living, Mr. Holstein was too sick to do much of anything over the last few months. But with characteristic optimism, he recently told friends that he hoped to return to the stage soon because, he said, "That's really where I feel the most alive." In addition to his brothers, Mr. Holstein is survived by his mother, Sally. Funeral services will be private. A musical memorial service is being planned.

welcome to soxtalk!

mazel tov! how many Jewish sons does it take to change their mother's light bulb? What do mean, change their mother's light bulb? They never call, they never come over... again, congrats!

that was amazing, wasn't it - everyone getting banned all at once just for the little old KW signature - seeing it again is a real sign of baseball coming! Aboz' timing of putting KW in his signature couldn't be better!!!

while I am used to only seeing that with ncorg's posts, it feels like baseball to see the Klueless Wonder KW gif back again!

I really appreciate your persepctive. That was what I was feeling in my gut but having you say it makes me feel more confident about what I was thinking. thanks!

there is not a chance in hell of that happening...

I didn't. I never cared for D Wells, couldn't stand him from when he was on the Tigers on, and I thought at the time that Sirotka could/would take his game up maybe a notch more and maybe even be a real ace and stopper for us. As it turned out Siro never pitched again and the trade was something we actually got a little more out of then Toronto did, since we had D Wells for a few months and our young pitchers especially MB said they learned some good tuff from him. It makes no difference what we thought then but ususally not every fan agrees on anything, in fact, never in my experience does every fan agree on any one thing. Which is good for soxtalk since if we all agreed all the time it would be boring as hell.

does borderline crazy work for a whole season or get tiring? does it work for more than one season? I am asking because I am curious about the whole mtivation of players thing given the change in managing styles in Chicago

on that, you may well be right -- he always seemed to me a loose cannon

if you wish to say f*g, say f*g I don't recall that word being used here much if ever but you wish to miss the point and go on and on and on Bush or Chimp that offends you to be honest, it is perhaps offensive to the chimp because the chimp doesn't lie to enable war remembering you thought the thread should only be about bashing Dean, and you jumped when Apu posted some dumb Bush and Republican comments (and granted Dean has said some dumb things, especially after the Iowa caucus), your real point is very clear

Spiff, get a f***ing grip on f***ing reality. Name one f***ing time I have ever f***ing said a f***ing word about anyone f***ing saying or posting the word f***ing other than to f***ing say that I was f***ing tired of seeing the f***ing dip s*** passionless thread title f***ing over and over again - f***ing emphasis on the word "title" and not the f***ing thread itself. as for your other request: Matthew 5.43-47 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

overblown. nuke, overblown all human beings look like our primate kin. Consider all the things that have been said about all American presidents in their time. Consider what you have said, and posted, about presidents you do not/did not like. Are you of such tender sensibilities that Bush or Chimp is the most shocking thing you have ever seen? Full of s***. If that is the most shocking thing that Bush and his fans ever hear, consider yours the luckiest of people. Of course the academic examples that primate images have been used historically to support racism against African Americans but not against Caucasians so therfore there is a difference in the use of that imagry is beyond the ability of some to deal with. However, if you wanted to put up a bunch of people who hold high church positions who title themselves primates in all of their regalia against the same chimp pictures, I would probably find that gently humorous too. Perhaps I should find a site that says Bush or cokehead - Bush vs drunk driver - Bush vs AWOL - oh ye of tender, naive experience that you are so shocked, shocked -- hypocrite back at yeah and raise you a bunch - I could pull out a whole bunch of things said about Clinton - Carter - who's the f***ing hypocrites hell, all the way back to Jackson, to J Adams, and then forward again to Madison, Monroe, Lincoln, Grant, Cleveland, Wilson, either Roosevelt, either Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and find things of all kinds - American satire, political cartoons - if Bush v Chimp is the worst you ever see in your lives - and worse than anything you ever say about a president you are not fond of - I will be very surprised

better spell that really carefully for KW so he knows what to get or who knows what he will come back with...

Deal! I bet we get generic nachos and dip rather than name brand though...

I wouldn't know...

wouldn''t we have to include two other pitchers to get KW to make the deal? KW trades pitchers on a 3 to 1 basis, yes?

i actually laughed out loud when i read that!

Frank will never get respect that he deserves... your first day of spring training vision, I might actually go to ST this year if it were guarenteed that would happen! I would take Frank in the first round in each bout...

Dean is dead meat politically! Late show curse? I didn't realize Gephardt was on last week! How can we get Bush on next week? Oh that was evil and this thread is devoted to attacking Dean, sorry.