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Grossman doesn’t have the arm for RF. That’s why he has hardly ever played there.

I think that is Dunedin. Looks like Jays catching gear too edit: upon further review, I don’t think it is Dunedin. It has a similar roof but the supporting columns don’t appear to be visible all the way to the ground like that

Because you want to win games before the trade deadline and preferably not trade away assets.

He is younger than Hendricks.

Kimbrel over his last 14 appearances: 18.5 k/9, .098 BAA against, 1.42 era, 13 scoreless outings. Reports of his demise may have been premature.

That’s debatable. Add two top tier bullpen arms and you make each of the bullpen spots below them better. Bullpen almost trumps the rotation in today’s game.

2.2 hr/9 and 4.1 bb/9 vs 1.1 hr/9 and 2.5 bb/9 since beginning of 2019 though. I guess that could’ve been lag from not pitching for two years

I think they do care. They want the surplus.

Musgrove has far superior walk and home run rates recently

That was my point. It can’t be said that a pitchers fip is a run better than his era when it’s not measuring runs or the equivalent.

Not if it can’t be demonstrated or backed by a logical presumption. To accept that fluctuations in babip are entirely random, as is necessary to accept that fip measures expected runs with fielding removed, it is necessary to accept that an infield pop up is no different that a ball lined off an outfield wall at 115 mph, in addition to presuming runs can be derived from hr bb and k. Unless you are willing to do that then fip is only what it actually is, a ratio of hr+bb-k against IP. It’s nonsensical to include strikeouts because a pitcher can record every out by strikeout and still allow an infinite amount of runs. No way anyone can demonstrate HR+BB-K equals runs so either way it is invalid to say a fip is higher or lower than era since they aren’t the same units or equated to same units. For example suppose a pitcher in an inning allows ten line drives off an outfield wall, walks none and strikes out the side. What’s his fip compared to how many runs you’d actually expect him to allow?

Assuming and most likely aren’t terms used in valid statistics is my point.

If you are on base then you should be able to show how an ratio of hr bb and k actually directly shows valid fielding independent pitching results related to runs allowed. You can’t because it doesn’t. You can make all the multi variable equations you want but if the variables don’t equate directly to a unit, then they can’t be reduced to that unit. You can’t prove the hr, bb, k ratio can be reduced to runs and neither can fangraphs. Therefore it can’t be called a measure of runs allowed. That’s why they use terms like assuming and most likely. Comparing two measures of different units is like saying there is a higher lbs/square inch than mph.

“ assuming short-term fluctuations in BABIP are attributable to the pitcher is likely incorrect.” Actual quote from fangraphs article. Use of terms ‘assuming’ and ‘likely incorrect’ show that the convoluted statistic is not an actually valid representation.

It doesn’t though.As I’ve clearly shown. The idea that walks home runs and strikeouts is a measure of expected runs in fielding neutral environment is conjectural opinion. Even if it’s true, one number can’t be said to be higher than another because they are not using the same units. Any more than an on base percentage can said to be lower than a slugging percentage, even if you used a constant multiplier to even the scales of the two.

How can I be wrong. Is your claim it’s not a ratio of hr,bb and strikeouts? You’ve accepted the spurious claim, i.e. opinion, that this results in a measure of fielding independent expected runs allowed, while I am claiming what is actually factual. It is in fact a separate unit measurement not involving runs but rather a ratio of HR, BB, K to IP. Therefore it can’t be higher or lower than ERA since they aren’t the same unit measurements. Just like if I multiplied whip by a constant resulting in a number that looks like era I couldn’t then say his adjusted whip is higher or lower than his ERA with validity.

But home runs plus walks minus strikeouts doesn’t actually measure that. Doesn’t matter what they’re trying to do. If it was labeled properly the unit would be HR+Bb-K/IP ratio. Nowhere in that is an equation actually equivalent to runs or expected runs. It’s an interesting inversion of stats similar to whip.

Purportedly. But you can’t say FIP is higher or lower than era because they aren’t measuring the same thing. I could just as easily apply a constant to whip to make it look like a number similar to era and say the same thing. Doesn’t mean it would be valid to say the new stat was half a run better than era. Because there is no way it actually measures that. Just like fip. it’s literally a measure of home runs walks and strikeouts. Like whip those aren’t the only variables that are actually relevant so it is equally invalid to conclude an actual direct relationship.

No it isn’t. It’s a measure of home runs plus walks minus strikeouts divided by innings pitched plus a constant. Like whip is a measure of walks and hits per inning. Those are the facts. That the result of that equation is equivalent of a pitchers era stripped of fielding is just a spurious claim that is mathematically unsupported. Just because it results in a number that looks like era doesn’t mean it does what it purports to do. The units are not the same. It’s apples and oranges.

I don’t know. I’m just looking at the equations. It’s a measure of humeruns plus walks minus strikeouts divided by innings plus a constant. That looks a lot like hits plus walks divided by innings pitched to me

It’s not an ERA equivalent any more than WHIP is. In fact it is more akin to an advanced form of WHIP than to ERA if you compare the equations. You can’t say a players FIP is better or worse than his ERA because they are two distinct measurements. It’s like saying a batters OPS is worse than his strikeout rate. It’s mathematically nonsensical. The most you can say is the lower the FIP the lower the expected ERA would be although that isn’t really valid since it includes strikeouts which don’t prevent runs any more than any other out. Since runs allowed or any derivation thereof is not part of FIP equation other than to form a constant using only league average, it can’t be said to measure runs. If you added a constant based on league era to the divisor of the whip calculation it wouldn’t magically turn it into a measurement of runs.

It doesn’t measure era. That’s apparently what youre missing. It’s a ratio of home runs, walks, hbp and strikeouts. Basic math would say two equations with no variables in common are not directly related.

You said his fip is half a run worse than his ERA. I pointed out fip doesn’t measure runs, so it can’t be said to be half a run worse.

I’m not so sure Madrigal is a top young player. Between his noodle armed lackluster defense, base running and complete lack of power he’s going to have to hit .330 to have any real value.

FIP doesn’t measure runs so it can’t be half a run worse than ERA