Vulture

But the question is, do you want to extend him? I say ride him hard and put him away wet. Giolito, Keuchel, Kopech, Crochet, Cease and Steiver going into ‘22 with option to acquire another starter as needed is fine by me. If Sox sign a starter to multi year deal this year its a no brainer

Sure but I was saying signing Colomé would be preferable to Yates given his elbow issues, or looking for other options with injury issues that suppress their value, not that he was the best option available.

He didn’t tank any more than Grandal did in ‘19 post break

Mercedes doesn’t catch at even a minimumably passable mlb level. He serves no purpose in relation to the catcher position IMO aside from emergency use. He’d basically be a dh only player

Paxton injury issues are a major concern. Went out with flexor injury season after back surgery. Boras says he’ll be just fine, which to me suggests the opposite

The question was if the Sox were going the budget route. Obviously there are better options

It’s the Asoxalypse!

I’d rather do that than go with a closer coming off elbow surgery.

If you’re going that route at closer might as well just resign Colomé and go with the safer bet. Or sign someone like Petit to setup and go with Bummer

The manager always influences roster decisions. If reports are to believed even Sox players have influenced roster decisions so of course the manager does. That said I’d think Lynn’s performance has more to do with it than any association with la Russa over 70% of one season.Sox were trying to acquire Lynn since at least last year

If Nola was projected at same amount in first year arb then you have a projected arb for a guy coming off 4.4 and 10.0 war seasons equal to a guy at at 2.1 and 2.9, who then signed a contract that paid less. Makes no sense. If wins accounted for it then Severino wouldn’t have been awarded 33% less for more wins along with vastly superior performance. guess Bauer has some divine force hanging over him. Only logical explanation. as it relates to giolito I suppose the question comes down to the more commonly applied standard or the inexplicable deviation applied to Bauer. One could easily make the argument it should be similar to Nola, Severino and Martínez considering they had performed at superior levels going into arb 1

If they had 30 million per on multi year contracts to spend prior to Eaton/Lynn, then they still have 30 million per after Eaton/Lynn, since as I keep pointing out ‘21 payroll is still less with them on one year contracts than projected ‘22-23 payrolls.

The estimated payroll for ‘21 is at approximately 115-120 million including Eaton Lynn and arb estimates. Doesn’t matter what you subtract from last years payroll. or 113.6 per sshm

So not exceeding a 300 million contract to devote a quarter of payroll to a single player at a position in which the Sox had a former #1 mlb prospect means Hahn is lying about having flexibility to make further additions? Excellent reasoning.

I suppose I could think of a non baseball reason but I’m not sure I want to inflame a political debate

They’re still using wins in arb?? still wouldn’t explain it. Severino had 19

Another example. 2017 Carlos Martínez after seasons of 2.6 and 4.1 awarded 4.1 million in first year arb. 2018 Bauer awarded 6.5 mil following 2.1 and 2.9. Then 2019 Severino 4.2 million after 4.1 and 5.4. Why the massive deviance for Bauer? None of those guys had notable seasons prior to the cited seasons to explain the difference.

Huh. I wonder why Bauer got so much more than pitchers who had better production going into that first year of arb. Severino only got like 4.2 million despite having two vastly superior seasons immediately preceding it, along with the Nola example. Bauer had 2.1 and 2.9 war seasons immediately preceding 1st year arb while Severino had 4.1 and 5.4, yet Severino was paid 33% less. Compare pitchers who had 4+ WAR seasons prior to 1st year arb they are closer to my or CWS figures yet Bauer considerably higher. bryant had three 5+ war seasons heading into 1st year arb eligibility and over 21 career war into year 3. I don’t think that’s a suitable comparison. Gio has one 4.1 season and a season that projects to about 3. if you look at comparable players CWS numbers seem accurate. But Bauer’s inexplicable deviance from the norm does throw a wrench in that.

Eaton on a one year deal has little to no effect on ability to sign multi year deals due to fact payroll commitments in ‘22-23 with projected arb payments and escalating contracts are already greater than payroll commitment in ‘21 with both Eaton and Lynn included. This is why Hahn stated making these moves for players with one year commitments allows them the flexibility to make further moves. You can’t just look at ‘21 payroll and conclude there is X amount available on multi year deals when future payroll is equal to ‘21 + X + Y.

Giolitos projected arb this year is about 5.5 million. If you bump that 7.5 and 10.5 the following years, 25 million should be sufficient to cover those years. Maybe bump it up to 27 to entice signing beyond. 4/45-5/65 range seems about right to me. 6/9/12/15/18 or slightly higher seems reasonable to me

You’d get a more accurate reading on payroll if you summed next years commitments rather than subtracting from last years payroll.

Reinsdorf is a saint compared to Cohen. One thing Reinsdorf is right on, Cohen should never been allowed to own a major league baseball team. If Cohen loathes Reinsdorf, that’s a credit to Reinsdorf.

Sugano and Hendrik

He obviously wouldnt have been available let alone signable at 3 million if it weren’t for injuries

Dahl is arb eligible through ‘23 with a baseline now of 3 million. No reason the Sox couldn’t or shouldn’t have beaten that if they are looking for production at a budget. Definition of a buy low signing. Good move for the Rangers though