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I never thought or stated Tony had no role in the players you mentioned. Reading comprehension is a skill.

Well your leaving out the fact that the Sox could have just signed Frank as opposed to sending two good players away for Thome. Aaron Rowand had the best season in that trade (5.1 bWAR 2007), and the Sox also gave up a 28.3 bWAR pitcher in the process. I do agree the injuries played a role, but Kenny’s comments kicking Frank on the way out were typical of the way the White Sox have conducted business since the AL Owners brought Jerry into their sad little club.

That’s revisionist history and not accurate. First of all I said three seasons, and last I checked Tony was in Anaheim when “GM of the Year” signed Keuchel, Parrot, Mazara and others. Second of all, Rick Hahn was the one strutting like a peacock after the Kimbrel signing, crowing about how it was his “best idea”. After it blew up in the idiot’s face, he double downed on it to try to save face and his fragile little ego, and it blew up in his face yet again when he got pwned once again by the Dodgers GM. Tony La Russa didn’t even want the guy, said closers typically are more comfortable as a closer, made these comments through the Sox playoff exit. Turned out Tony was right and Hahn as always dead wrong.

Yeah, because of typical White Sox petty ass bullshit (Kenny). Frank went on to have a 3.2 bWAR season with Oakland, which by the way, won their division whereas Kenny’s team were golfing to start October.

JR better bring him back, or he will lose a lot of fans. A lot, and if Jose goes to the Cubs Jerry will lose even more fans and nobody better dare boo Jose. He did everything humanly possible to bring a championship to the Chicago White Sox.

Only because if one sad individual who has done more to defeat the White Sox than Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, the New York Yankees and all the other MLB teams combined. Jose Abreu deserves to be a White Sox for life. Rick Hahn deserves to be banned from the White Sox for life.

Nice to see Lucas pitching well tonight, and the fans braving the final few cold games something to cheer for tonight, including Pito who hit his 40th double tonight. He needs to return in 2023. If the White Sox bail on Abreu and he signs with the Cubs, f*** this cursed franchise.

One of several Hahn acquisitions.

Someone to bring in analytics qualified personnel to the White Sox and teach the entire organization including Hahn, Kenny and Jerry what teams are doing in the 21st century.

What kind of numbers are these? Gavin Sheets isn't even a real major league starter (only on a severely flawed team), took him two net negative WAR seasons of 176 games to reach 26 HRs. He should be in AAA for depth. People keep wishing Eloy is not playing LF next year. He is only DHing now because he is crippled. The Sox will once again send Eloy to LF next season. That leaves Abreu to play 1B and Vaughn to DH and begin to learn / determine if his body type is able to play 1B successfully.

Bill Wirtz and Dale Tallon built the Stanley Cup Dynasty core.

^ This! (2022 bWAR / 2023 Salary) Gone (2.7 bWAR / $8.0M-$9.0M): SP Dane Dunning (1.2 bWAR / $0.7M) SP/RP Konnor Pilkington (-0.1 bWAR / $0.7M) RP Codi Heuer (Injured / Arb1) 2B Nick Madrigal (0.7 bWAR / Arb1) C Reese McGuire (0.9 bWAR) / Arb1) Trade bounty (0.8 bWAR / $37.0M): SP Lance Lynn (0.7 bWAR / $19.5M) CF/LF AJ Pollock (0.9 bWAR / $13.0M) RP Jake Diekman (-0.8 bWAR / $4.5M) Free Agents (-0.4 bWAR / $56.1M): (+ $28.5M in 2024): C Yasmani Grandal (-1.5 bWAR / $18.3M) RP Liam Hendriks (1.7 bWAR / $14.3M) RP Kendall Graveman (0.9 bWAR / $8.0M) RP Joe Kelly (-0.6 bWAR / $9.0M) INF/OF Leury Garcia (-0.9 bWAR / $5.5M)

After the playoffs, Rick Hahn conducted his exit interview with Jose Abreu and told him Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to personally meet with him after their discussion. Rick Hahn has no say in this issue, nor should he. Jerry is the Chairman and Jerry will bring Abreu back if Abreu wants to return to the Chicago White Sox. Rick and Tony made this mess with all the crap signed over the past three seasons. Abreu should not pay the price for the incompetence of others.

Not many healthy players left these days. Hope Lucas has a nice start to end the year and build on next season.

Welcome to SoxTalk! Would wish you "Good luck with your first crap" but you already nailed it. You (and others) may also enjoy this link of the best from Tannehill over the years.

This. I rather go down fighting with my top soldier than let him walk away and rely on mostly fools gold. Not just the dye, what about Rick's atrocious hair cut (cutting Tony some slack because he's mid 70s and I'm not sure what is real and what is not up there at this stage). You should be able to walk into a $7 or whatever it is now haircut place and get something better than that. Likely added to the disgust on the assembled players. How does Hahn's wife let him leave the house like that? It looks like a risk board with Iceland and Scandinavia.

Jerry would have to take a liking to Oscar over the next three decades for that to pan out.

f*** no: Davey Martinez, Pedro Grifol, Don Mattingly. No, but would continue the managerial drama at 35th and Shields and media hot air: Joe Maddon. Would be open to learning more / considering: Miguel Cairo, Sandy Alomar Jr., Will Venable. My choice: Joe Espada.

10/3/22 Results: Clinched second place in the A. L. Central, caught San Francisco in the overall standings (win tie breaker based on 3-0 season series). 10/4/22 Sox Math 15th Place (Current position): Finish with the same or better record than the San Francisco Giants over the final two games. 16th Place: Finish with a worse record than the San Francisco Giants over the final two games. Lone Divisional Race - N. L. East: Braves need either a win over their final two games or a loss over the Mets remaining three games to clinch. Final Overall Standing Positioning Races: Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are tied at 61-99 (Pittsburgh wins the tie-breaker). Kansas City (65-95), Texas and Detroit (66-93), Colorado (67-93) and Miami (68-92) are bunched together. The Chicago Cubs, Arizona Diamondbacks and the Los Angeles Angeles of Anaheim, Alta California, United States of America, North America, Planet Earth, Milky Way all share a 73-87 record with two to play. Boston (76-84) and Minnesota (77-83) are the last two non playoff eligible teams with "meaningful" games remaining.

Jerry is 87 before pitchers and catcher report. Job security is tenuous from an outsider's perspective.

I believe every player there legitimately supported Tony, but were disgusted after Tony was done speaking, and they had to look at and listen to the complete bullshit and arrogance of Rick Hahn, knowing full well he is a complete fraud and charlatan. Every single point of what went wrong reverted to the Jerry/Kenny/Rick collective. Compare and contrast to the personal responsibility Tony owned in his written and oral statements, and his answers to questions.

Pretty narrow pool excluding first time managers. Don't like that limitation at all. Available World Series / Pennant winning veteran managers active over the past five seasons (Age Opening Day 2023): Ned Yost (68), Joe Maddon (69), Bruce Bochy (67), Joe Girardi (58), AJ Hinch (48 - If opt out permits), Clint Hurdle (65), Mike Scioscia (64). Hinch is the only one I would consider from this list. I'd prefer someone age 45-55 who can be a solid long-term fit, help fix the entire organization (instill modern baseball best practices) since the Sox do not have an house person capable of doing so. Someone young enough to relate and communicate with players, fluent in Spanish a very big selling point. Not looking for another grandpa to coddle players or set in their old school ways. Rick Hahn mentioned they are looking for a mix of modern and old school yesterday, which is a mistake. They need a clean break from the past.

Which FO Big Dog would have the White Sox in a better position short and long term starting today? Rick Hahn or Nick Saban?

Yes, that is why Hahn plays the role of Toby Flenderson in The White Sox Office. Previously, Hahn played the role of Jerry in Fargo, seen here with Stan (KW) and Wade (JR). Rick Hahn cornered at SoxFest by two upset season ticket holders a few years back.

The first 10,000 fans to tonight's game will receive a carrot bobblehead.