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Cle The projections are no longer available, but I inserted the 2022 actual fWAR performance in parenthesis below, Hitting C Cleveland +0.9 (White Sox +1.9 CL -0/2 vs. WS 1.7) 1B Push (White Sox +2.2 CL 1.7 vs. WS 3.9) 2B Cleveland + 3.5 (Cleveland +6.0 CL 6.0 vs. WS 0.0) 3B Cleveland + 3.1 (Cleveland + 4.1 CL 5.3 vs. WS 1.2) SS White Sox +0.2 (White Sox + 2.2 CL 2.3 vs. WS 4.5) LF Push (Cleveland +2.7 CL 4.4 vs. WS 1.7) CF White Sox +1.8 (White Sox +0.4 CL 1.5 vs. WS 1.9) RF Cleveland +0.6 (Cleveland +1.9 CL 1.3 vs. WS -0.6) DH Push (White Sox +3.0 CL -1.3 vs. WS 1.7) Pitching Starting Pitching White Sox +0.2 (Push CL 12.0 vs. WS 12.0) Bullpen White Sox +1.6 (Cleveland + 1.3 CL 6.6 vs. WS 5.3) Net: Hitting Advantage Cleveland +6.1 (Cleveland +5.0) Pitching Advantage Chicago +1.8 (Cleveland +1.3)
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Even with a couple of down spots in the lineup overall, there aren’t really any gaping holes in Cleveland. The White Sox may regret going into this offseason simply expecting a bounceback season; just as most of Chicago’s offense has worse projections than before 2022, the Guardians’ are largely better. Every good season has some elements of good fortune, but it was a lot more to it than that. This is true if the Sox do not add a 2B, OF and SP. Hitting C Cleveland +0.9 1B Push 2B Cleveland + 3.5 3B Cleveland + 3.1 SS White Sox +0.2 LF Push (Update for 10D) CF White Sox +1.8 RF Cleveland +0.6 DH Push (Update shifting Eloy FT) Pitching SP1 Bieber +0.6 SP2 McKenzie +0.4 SP3 Giolito +0.7 SP4 Civale +0.1 SP5 Kopech +0.6 Bullpen White Sox +1.6 Net: Hitting Advantage Cleveland +6.1 Pitching Advantage Chicago +1.8
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2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
South Side Hit Men replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Has Hahn flat out said “My team is on the floor”? Perhaps I missed this. They may very well have reached their budget, but I think it’s more a presumption at this stage based on the 2022 s%*# show and the fact they are losing season ticket holders. Hahn made savvy reactionary moves last year (Cueto, Elvis). If he is patient and the market for lower end FAs remain depressed, they have a chance to get what they need within a $200M ish payroll. Im just trying to be optimistic until the Sox budget is known / Hahn states they are done. If they are done at this stage beyond Billy Hamilton type moves, than I don’t have reason for optimism in 2023 beyond possibly making the 16 team playoffs and subsequent early exit. -
What should the club do about catcher?
South Side Hit Men replied to Chisoxfn's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Would say the key issue throughout last year was the fact that players just did what they wanted or did not want to do. Hahn’s cowardly way to deal with it appeared to sit back and let it become a shitshow and point fingers at Tony and Players at year-end. Not sure how lucid Tony was to know what was going until it was too late (they day he stepped down). At minimum Robert, Grandal and Kopech should have been shut down in June/July, whereas they continued to play injured, and risked exacerbating their injuries or creating cascade injuries. They also signed injured players, with Kelly contractually limited to no consecutive appearances until the second half, and had guys like Graveman and Hendriks (back) pitching through obvious injuries, in part because this team lacked any depth anywhere. It’s possible there will be actual management of players and injuries in 2023, but the fact remains the organization drafted / signed / developed few players over the past several years beyond the tanking trades and potentially Vaughn. They desperately need to add 3 major league quality players (a starting 2B, 4th OF that can cover RF & CF, # 3-4 SP to have the SP depth to survive 162 and be ready in October) to supplement their Abreu for 10D and the injury prone Clevenger off-season to date. They can add quality players in July if they are playing like a WS contender to cover injuries and/or to DFA players as needed, but they won’t get to that point until they shore up the same holes which have existed this entire “window”. -
I agreed with both posts, just wanted to go a step further stating even if he gave the Sox a significant SP upgrade for free in terms of payroll, the personal cost is to great to bring into that clubhouse. And I also agree the team and fan base deserve and need a drama free team in 2023 (and hopefully beyond). Cheers!
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To be honest, I wouldn’t want Bauer if the Dodgers DFA’d him and the Sox only had to pay the ML minimum. Cubs and Houston had to feel scummy with acquiring Chapman and Ozuna for the stretch run. I wanted no part of Bauer when he was a free agent, and was on the record saying he is a horrendous person and teammate, with enough evidence prior to his signing with the Dodgers.
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2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
South Side Hit Men replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Key quote, and reason for me to be optimistic the Sox can add Duvall or Conforto and Segura. -
RUMOR: White Sox interested in Adam Duvall
South Side Hit Men replied to ChiSoxFanMike's topic in Pale Hose Talk
If that’s the case, it will mark the third straight offseason in the “multi-championship window” Hahn did not address key lineup and depth holes. A properly managed $200M payroll (+/- $10M either direction) is enough for a smart FO enough to win championships. Even dumb teams like KC did it for just over half that threshold. World Series Champions (Cot’s Contracts OD Payroll in Millions): 2022 Houston ($175) 2021 Atlanta ($134) 2020 Los Angeles NL ($205) 2019 Washington ($197) 2018 Boston ($234) 2017 Houston ($124) 2016 Chicago NL ($172) 2015 Kansas City ($113) 2014 San Francisco ($149) 2013 Boston ($155) 2012 San Francisco ($131) 2011 Saint Louis ($109) 2010 San Francisco ($96) All this annual hand ringing in the media about competitive balance and most teams have “no chance” is complete and utter bullshit. Build smart organizations = Winning Build dumb organizations = Losing -
RUMOR: White Sox interested in Adam Duvall
South Side Hit Men replied to ChiSoxFanMike's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Plotting where 140 games max for allocation purposes to provide for rest and minor injuries. Best case scenario w no trades FA only (health/performance): C (Split TBD) Grandal & Zavala 1B Vaughn (130) Burger (32) 2B Segura (130) Leury (32) 3B Moncada (135) Burger (27) SS Anderson (140) Leury (22) LF Benintendi (140) Duval (22) CF Robert (140) Colas (22) RF Colas (100) Duval (62) DH Jimenez (140) + Vaughn (5) + Moncada (5) + Rotating Misc Rest Days for others (12). - Leury’s OF is limited to emergency injury and late game blowout substitution. - Duval or Conforto provide insurance for Colas struggles, provides ML level quality rest for player who never played an 162 game season. - Insurance for injury prone Eloy & Robert. - Conforto a bigger upgrade, would play more games, but that would translate into better overall team production. -
RUMOR: White Sox interested in Adam Duvall
South Side Hit Men replied to ChiSoxFanMike's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Would prefer Conforto, but this is better than the current roster. 10D + Cleavager + Duvall + Segura + #3 SP = Legitimate hope in 2023. -
Jesse Rogers: Sox Sign Benintendi - 5yr / $75M
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
It’s been obvious the past decade Rick Hahn and the Chicago White Sox organization do not have the “same amount of information” as at least 25 other MLB franchises. -
Yes, that was one of the factors that stood out, the successful teams don’t hamstring their payroll and roster construction with a huge percentage tied to any one or two players. People reflexively say “baseball is unfair, only a few teams can win it”, when the fact of the matter is the teams with a $ half billion committed to two players have not had much, if any, payroll success. The Yankees did not win since the Jeter extension, though he did perform well under his deal. Houston and Saint Louis are in the bottom third overall (21st) and are perennially in the hunt. The other standout for me was setting aside Oakland and Pittsburgh, the importance of making sure you have a HOF or just under HOF threshold player. That Chris Davis deal was awful, and coupled with Baltimore’s relatively small payroll really crushed this team over the past few years. And Washington doubled down on Strasburg (FA and Extension) which has killed the team. I believe Jerry is right that it is smarter to lock in top hitters over pitchers. It’s unfortunate he does not believe in hiring competent baseball people, including front office or analytics, since the Sox have had a poor record drafting and developing top players in their system. This is the primary weakness in White Sox baseball.
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This, season after season. I think Kopech has a good chance of pitching well through 20-25 starts if his knee is ready next Spring. The problem is if you don't get a solid #3-#4 starter, you are hoping instead of being proactive across the entire staff. There were a million posts here last year lamenting the lack of depth for good reason, and not much has been done to shore things up if substantial signings are over at this stage. I'm resigned to accept the $19M Hahn spent on mid level catching at this point, and wouldn't send Hendriks to Toronto for a catcher, or frankly anywhere unless you are planning to tank. That said, the Sox still do not have: A starting ML 2B "Colars" who barely played above A Ball and will be 24. Expect some growing pains, and you have no backup if he needs to be sent down to regroup, nor a good OF to play behind him. Benintendi can't shift to RF with his arm, so if Robert or Colas are out, or resting/DHing, you're stuck with Leury or Billy Hamilton, and neither have a major league bat at this stage, Leury can't field either, so there's that. Banking on 300 + IP out of Clevinger and Kopech, when 133 IP is the max between the two of them the past four years. @Tray - These aren't "predictions", these are observations of their actual past performance. Have a lot of dead money in the bullpen, and not much to help at Charlotte (for SP or RP). Not much 2023 hitting help in the minors once Colas makes the jump. Martin/Lambert is the depth at SP, This is why it's imperative to strike NOW, in the offseason, with Free Agency and or a trade of one of your two DHs/1B, and shore up the known holes at 2B, OF, SP and RP. This half ass bullshit the past three off-seasons have brought fans to the point of giving up on 2023 (including a substantial number of season ticket holders). Either give it a legitimate shot, or pawn everything you can to have a solid core in 2025-2026, because you're not going to draw many fans if you're muddling to 80-85 win season, and thus be stuck in the same no playoffs/not much money available for 2024 plan. They don't have 72 games against the horseshit Central to fall back on anymore with the balanced schedule. They will be exposed without adding a solid RF capable OF who is also at least average ML starter at hitter, a solid starting 2B, another solid SP (3-4) , and the capacity to DFA and pick up replacements as needed for their shitty TLR/RH RP and Leury signings.
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My confidence is based on projected fWAR, which player will likely meet / exceed and which player will likely fall short. Ranked most confident to least confident of meeting/exceeding: https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=fangraphsdc&team=4&lg=all&players= Kopech 24 Starts 1.1 fWAR - I think the missed 8 starts is reasonable, but he should earn a much higher fWAR than 1.1, since I expect his knee issues to be resolved. He may breakdown again, but has the most upside in terms of potential. Giolito 31 Starts 1.9 fWAR - Like Grandal below, more a commentary of such a low projection. He had a terrible year last year and still had a 1.8 fWAR. I believe he will come back focused on pitching well into his final arbitration and also with the hopes of getting off the Titanic and being traded to a contending team this July. Robert 139 Games 4.0 fWAR - Not confident he will reach 139 Games Played, but confident he will contribute on a similar fWAR/games played basis. Grandal 89 Games 2.4 fWAR - The projected fWAR is more a commentary on the low expectations at this point based on age and past performance. If he is healthy, the shift rules and fact he doesn't have much competition to overtake him in terms of starter, he should hit 2.0 + fWAR just brining his wOBA up to .300, which I think is very possible. Moncada - 138 Games 2.8 fWAR - Biggest wild card in terms of his performance. If he can follow pitches, he will rake and has the best chance of beating his projection by over 1.0. Also has a substantial chance of missing his fWAR by 1.0. I'd take a 2.8 fWAR at this point. Jimenez 143 Games 3.0 fWAR - Least confident in terms of both games played and fWAR earned at DH and/or LF. 1.7 fWAR his best ever, I voted Eloy for both in the poll, but meant to click Kopech for most likely to exceed neutral expectations (1.1 fWAR), and Eloy most likely to fail meeting neutral expectations (3.0 fWAR). @tray
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Combined Team Rankings (Top Free Agent Signings + Contract Extensions) San Diego $640M Machado & Tatis Jr. Los Angeles AL $605M Rendon & Trout New York AL $549M Judge & Jeter San Francisco $517M Correa & Posey Los Angeles NL $512M Greinke & Betts Philadelphia $474M Harper & Hamels Detroit $462M Fielder & Cabrera New York NL $460M Beltran & Lindor Seattle $450M Cano & Rodriguez Texas $445M Seager & Andrus Miami $431M Reyes & Stanton Washington $420M Strasburg & Strasburg Colorado $416M Bryant & Arenado Boston $371M Price & Gonzalez Cincinnati $289M Castellanos (or Moustakas) & Votto Minnesota $287.5M Correa & Mauer Toronto $276M Springer & Wells Chicago NL $275.5M Heyward & Zambrano Milwaukee $268.5M Cain & Yelich Arizona $266.5M Greinke & Montero Houston $251M Lee & Altuve Saint Louis $250M Holliday & Goldschmidt Baltimore $246M Davis & Jones Tampa Bay $222M Eflin & Franco Atlanta $210.25M Upton & Freeman Cleveland $184M Encarnacion & Ramirez Kansas City $154M Gordon & Perez Chicago AL $145M Benintendi & Moncada Pittsburgh $109M Liriano & Hayes Oakland $96M Butler & Chavez
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Team Player, Position (Years / Total $ Value, Effective Year) Age at signing, career fWAR through 2022 Free Agent Contracts New York AL Aaron Judge, OF (9/$360M, 2023) 30 36.1 San Francisco Carlos Correa, SS (13/$350M, 2023) 28 31.3 Philadelphia Bryce Harper, OF (13/$330M, 2019) 27 44.2 Texas Corey Seager, SS (10/$325M, 2022) 27 26.2 San Diego Manny Machado, 3B (10/$300M, 2019) 26 46.6 Los Angeles AL Anthony Rendon, 3B (7/$245M, 2020) 29 34.2 Washington Stephen Strasburg, RHP (7/$245M, 2020) 32 36.6 Seattle Robinson Canó, 2B (10/$240M, 2014) 31 58.1 Boston David Price, LHP (7/$217M, 2016) 31 42.5 Detroit Prince Fielder, 1B (9/$214M, 2012) 28 27.4 Arizona Zack Greinke, RHP (6/$206.5M, 2016) 33 65.5 Chicago NL Jason Heyward, OF (8/$184M, 2016) 27 33.3 Colordao Kris Bryant, OF (7/$182M, 2022) 29 32.2 Baltimore Chris Davis, 1B (7/$161M, 2016) 30 11.8 Toronto George Springer, OF (6 years/$150M, 2021) 32 33.0 Los Angles NL Zack Greinke, RHP (6/$147M, 2013) 30 65.5 Saint Louis Matt Holliday, OF (7/$120M, 2010) 30 49.4 New York NL Carlos Beltrán, OF (7/$119M, 2005) 28 67.8 Miami José Reyes, SS (6/$106M, 2012) 29 43.9 Minnesota Carlos Correa, SS (3/$103.5M, 2021) 27 31.3 Houston Carlos Lee, 1B/LF (6/$100M, 2007) 31 27.7 Milwaukee Lorenzo Cain, OF (5/$80M, 2018) 32 30.4 Atlanta B.J. Upton, OF (5/$75.25M, 2013) 29 24.6 Chicago AL Andrew Benintendi, OF (5/$75M, 2023) 28 13.1 Kansas City Alex Gordon, OF (4/$72M, 2016) 32 31.9 Cincinnati Nick Castellanos/Mike Moustakas (Both 4/$64M, 2020) 28 12.3 & 32 15.3 Cleveland Edwin Encarnación, 1B/DH (3/$60M, 2017) 34 33.2 Tampa Bay Zach Eflin, RHP (3/$40M, 2023) 28 8.6 Pittsburgh Francisco Liriano, LHP (3/$39M, 2015) 32 23.9 Oakland Billy Butler, 1B/DH (3/$30M, 2015) 29 6.3 Contract Extensions Los Angeles NL Mookie Betts, OF (12/$365M, 2020) 27 50.1 Los Angeles AL Mike Trout, OF (10/$360M, 2019) 28 82.1 New York NL Francisco Lindor, SS (10/$341M, 2021) 27 42.0 San Diego Fernando Tatis Jr., SS (14/$340M, 2021) 22 13.6 Miami Giancarlo Stanton, OF (13/$325M, 2015) 26 42.5 Detroit Miguel Cabrera, 1B (8/$248M, 2014) 31 68.6 Colorado Nolan Arenado, 3B (7/$234M, 2019) 28 45.7 Cincinnati Joey Votto, 1B (10/$225M, 2012) 28 57.9 Seattle Julio Rodríguez, CF (13/$210M, 2022) 21 5.3 New York AL Derek Jeter, SS (10/$189M, 2001) 27 73.0 Milwaukee Christian Yelich, OF (7/$188.5M, 2020) 29 36.7 Minnesota Joe Mauer, C (8/$184M, 2010) 27 53.0 Tampa Bay Wander Franco, SS (11/$182M, 2022) 21 4.7 Washington Stephen Strasburg, RHP (7/$175M, 2016) 28 36.6 San Francisco Buster Posey, C (8/$167M, 2013) 26 57.5 Boston Adrián González, 1B (7/$154M, 2011) 29 36.3 Houston Jose Altuve, 2B (5/$151M, 2018) 28 48.5 Philadelphia Cole Hamels, LHP (6/$144M, 2012) 28 51.6 Atlanta Freddie Freeman, 1B (8/$135M, 2014) 25 50.4 Saint Louis Paul Goldschmidt, 1B (5/$130M, 2019) 31 54.0 Toronto Vernon Wells, OF (7/$126M, 2007) 29 25.1 Cleveland José Ramírez, 3B (5/$124M, 2022) 29 41.2 Texas Elvis Andrus, SS (8/$120M, 2013) 25 35.1 Chicago NL Carlos Zambrano, RHP (5/$91.5M, 2007) 26 30.9 Baltimore Adam Jones, OF (6/$85M, 2012) 27 28.9 Kansas City Salvador Perez, C (4/$82M, 2021) 31 15.7 Chicago AL Yoán Moncada, 3B (5/$70M, 2020) 23 13.6 Pittsburgh Ke'Bryan Hayes, 3B (8/$70M, 2022) 25 6.9 Oakland Eric Chavez, 3B (6/$66M, 2004) 27 35.7 Arizona Miguel Montero, C (5/$60M, 2012) 29 27.2
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Or Eloy taking his annual several week in season sick day vacay with Mom. Or Clevinger and Kopech both hitting 180 IP. $206M gives the Sox a chance to legitimately contend for a championship. Play well the first few months and they’ll draw well and have the revenue at the deadline to cover a season ending injury, DFA deadweight and/or add a player or two who can contribute in October. That is what Sox fans should want after four years of s%*#, three years of tanking, and the last three years with no depth and no playoff success or legitimate chance. If Benintendi is one piece out of a half dozen total new quality pieces, this is something Sox fans could really get behind. If they are merely swapping out Abreu for Clevinger and 10D, may as well tank and target 2025 because you’re still just treading water while the top teams are widening the gap over what you bring each season. Eloy MLB + Minors Games Played 2019 (22) 127 2020 (23) 55 (2 Playoff ABs) 2021 (24) 67 2022 (25) 101 Clevinger (1st) + Kopech (2nd) Total MLB + Minors IP (MC innings + MK) 2019 (133 + 0) 2020 (42 + 0) 2021 (0 + 69) 2022 (123 + 119)
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Sign Conforto and Segura. Trade Eloy for Pablo Lopez. Rotate DH spot between 4 OFers and J. Burger. B. Hamilton 5th OF, add one more RP (I added Fulmer, I’m open to others). Significantly improve your SP depth. There are big question marks on the current staff, and little quality depth in the minors.. Position Player (Salary /Proj FGDC fWAR) Salary amounts from Fangraphs (Actual/Estimates) Hitters ($106.4M / 24.2 fWAR) SS Anderson ($12.5M / 3.0) LF Benintendi ^ ($15M / 2.3) CF Robert ($9.5M / 4.0) RF Conforto ^ ($12.0M / 1.6) 1B Vaughn ($0.7M / 2.3) 3B Moncada # ($17.8M / 2.5) OF/DH Colas ($0.7M / 1.9) C Grandal #/ Zavala (Combined $19.0M / 3.1) 2B Segura ($12M / 2.6) 3B/DH/1B Burger ($0.7M / 0.7) 2B/SS Garcia # ($5.5M / 0.2) OF B. Hamilton ($1.0 / 0.0) Pitching ($99.8M / 17.9 fWAR) Cease ($5.3M / 3.3) Lynn ($18.5M / 2.8) Giolito ($10.8M / 2.0) Pablo Lopez ($5.6M / 2.8) Kopech ($2.2M / 1.1) Clevinger ($12M /1.3) Hendriks ($14.3M / 1.9) Bummer ^ ($3.8M / 0.9) Graveman ($8.0M / 0.5) R. Lopez ($3.3M / 0.5) Diekman ^ ($3.5M / 0.2) Kelly ($9.0M / 0.5) Ruiz ($1.0M / 0.0) Michael Fulmer ($2.5M / 0.1) Total 2023 $206.2M / 42.1 fWAR
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Billy Hamilton to Sox as NRI, minor league deal per Merkin
South Side Hit Men replied to Heads22's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I thought about Billy for my 26 man roster , but the problem is with 2 Cs (10 spots with the starting nine) plus Burger (1B/3B) and Leury (2B/SS) and Colas being a rookie, and Robert almost as fragile as Eloy, you are going to want someone who can provide an acceptable bat if they need to play several weeks due to a substantial injury. Billy can still can be a Plan B or C if something bad happens in Spring Training. Billy Hamilton is great if he is your 26th man / 5th OF, when you have roster flexibility of 3-6 players to cover 2-3 + spots on the diamond. You'd be able to mix and match lineups. Sadly, the Sox don't have that flexibility beyond Leury, and they still don't have a credible starting 2B. Drury is the best available FA at this stage who adequately cover multiple INF positions. It sucks they locked up tens of millions on absolute horseshit in terms of the bullpen plus Leury's expensive deal. -
Jesse Rogers: Sox Sign Benintendi - 5yr / $75M
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Yes, just yes. 2019-2022 Great Smart Players who contribute, literally MVP, stay healthy. Abreu 528 Games; 97 HRs; 12.7 bWAR Lopez 451 IP; 3.68 FIP; 7.9 bWAR Players who can’t stay healthy, do stupid s%*#, sit on their couch and win stupid prizes Jimenez 316 Games; 71 HRs; 5.3 bWAR Clevinger 282 IP; 3.74 FIP; 5.9 bWAR 2023 fWAR Projections $25M - I’m the guy who does his job Abreu 658 PA; 22 HR; 128 wRC+; 2.5 fWAR Lopez 178 IP; 3.67 FIP; 2.8 fWAR $22M - You must be the other one Eloy 616 PA (LOLz) 32 HR; 133 wRC+; 3.0 fWAR Clevinger 151 IP; 4.57 FIP; 1.3 fWAR -
Jesse Rogers: Sox Sign Benintendi - 5yr / $75M
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
The signing is OK if they are trying to win over the next few years (hopefully they will be). The Sox need Benintendi's more consistent OBP more with the players they have. Even though he can only play LF, the good aspect of this is Eloy won't be playing LF regularly barring a season ending injury to someone. Hopefully he can retain his motivation now that he has five years banked, because the Sox had too many unmotivated money in the bank players last season. Still would have preferred keeping the one player who always stayed motivated and on the field (Abreu), and moved Eloy for Pablo Lopez or another quality starter and would be fine going with Benintendi and Segura at 2B to adequately cover the lineup, with C the hopefully positive ?. Position Player (Salary /Proj FGDC fWAR) Salary amounts from Fangraphs (Actual/Estimates) Hitters ($114.1M / 25.3 fWAR) SS Anderson ($12.5M / 3.0) LF Benintendi ^ ($15M / 2.3) CF Robert ($9.5M / 4.0) 1B Abreu ($19.5M / 2.5) 3B Moncada # ($17.8M / 2.5) DH Vaughn ($0.7M / 2.3) RF Colas ($0.7M / 1.9) C Grandal #/ Zavala (Combined $19.0M / 3.1) 2B Segura ($12M / 2.6) 3B/DH Burger ($0.7M / 0.7) 2B/SS/OF Garcia # ($5.5M / 0.2) OF J. Bradley Jr. ^ ($1.2M / 0.2) Pitching ($87.8M / 16.6 fWAR) Cease ($5.3M / 3.3) Lynn ($18.5M / 2.8) Giolito ($10.8M / 2.0) Pablo Lopez ($5.6M / 2.8) Kopech ($2.2M / 1.1) Hendriks ($14.3M / 1.9) Bummer ^ ($3.8M / 0.9) Graveman ($8.0M / 0.5) R. Lopez ($3.3M / 0.5) Diekman ^ ($3.5M / 0.2) Kelly ($9.0M / 0.5) Ruiz ($1.0M / 0.0) Michael Fulmer ($2.5M / 0.1) Total 2023 $201.9M / 41.9 fWAR -
2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
South Side Hit Men replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
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2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
South Side Hit Men replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Let the rain, wash away, all the pain of yesterday I Know my Kingdom awaits, and they've forgiven my mistakes I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell Sox Fans I'm coming home -
2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
South Side Hit Men replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Free Agent Tracker through 12/15: $574M New York A.L. (A. Judge, T. Kahnle, A. Rizzo, C. Rodon, A. Warren) $463M San Francisco (C. Correa, S. Delaplane, M. Haniger, M. Llovera, S. Manaea, J. Pederson, R. Stripling, D. Strotman, D. Walton, C. Welker) $387M Philadelphia (M. Strahm, T. Turner, T. Walker) $387M New York N.L. (E. Diaz, B. Nimmo, J. Quintana, D. Reyes, D. Robertson, J. Verlander) $326M San Diego (X. Bogaerts, D. Carlton, E. Contreras, R. Suarez) $230M Texas (J. deGrom, A. Heaney, M. Perez) $93M Houston (J. Abreu, D. Machado, R. Montero) $88M Saint Louis (W. Contreras, O. Mercado) $88M Chicago N.L. (C. Bellinger, B. Boxberger, J. Taillon) $72M Toronto (C. Bassitt, K. Kiermaier) $53M Los Angeles A.L. (T. Anderson, C. Devenski, C. Estevez, N. Walters) $52M Boston (K. Jansen, C. Martin, J. Rodriguez) $41M Cleveland (J. Bell. A. Gose, M. Zunino, M. Viloria) $40M Tampa Bay (Z. Eflin) $35M Los Angeles N.L. (J. Heyward, C. Kershaw, S. Miller, N. Syndergaard) $30M Minnesota (J. Camargo, C. Vazquez) $24M Oakland (A. Diaz, J. Peterson) $19M Detroit (M. Boyd, B. Davis, M. Diaz, M. Lorenzen, M. Papierski) $18M Washington (F. Barreto, J. Candelario, A. Castro, D. Hill, E. Ramirez, T. Romero, T. Williams) $12M Pittsburgh (J. Garcia, T. Heineman, C. Santana, V. Velasquez) $12M Chicago A.L. (M. Clevinger, M. Payton) $10M Baltimore (K. Gibson) $9M Colorado (P. Johnson, M. Koch, J. Urena) $4M Arizona (M. Castro) $3M Kansas City (R. Yarbrough) $2M Atlanta (N. Anderson, J. Chavez) $2M Cincinnati (S. Bracho, D. Duarte, K. Herget) $1M Seattle (T. Gott) $0M Miami (Chi Chi Gonzalez) None Milwaukee Remaining Available Players with a Sportrac AAV Market Value C G. Sanchez ($6M); C. Casali ($5M); O. Narvaez ($3M); R. Perez ($3M) 1B T. Mancini ($18M); B. Belt ($16M); Y. Gurriel ($12M) 2B A. Frazier ($6M); D. Solano ($6M); J. Segura ($5M); C. Hernandez ($5M); J. Harrison ($4M); H. Alberto ($3M) 3B B. Drury ($9M); J. Turner ($9M); E. Longoria ($5M) SS D. Swanson ($25M); J. Iglesias ($5M); E. Andrus ($5M) LF A. Benintendi ($17M); J. Profar ($15M); A. J. Pollock ($13M); J. Gallo ($9M); T. Pham ($8M); D. Peralta ($8M); M. Brantley ($8M) RF M. Conforto ($21M); W. Myers ($11M); R. Grossman ($7M); A. Duvall ($7M); B. Gamel ($2M) DH J. D. Martinez ($15M); N. Cruz ($10M); A. McCutchen ($8M) SP N. Eovaldi ($17M); J. Cueto ($15M); D. Smyly ($15M); D. Bundy ($12M); M. Wacha ($12M); Z. Greinke ($10M); J. Lyles ($10M); C. Kluber ($10M); C. Kuhl ($9); Z. Davies ($6M) RP T. Rogers ($13M); S. Lugo ($7M); A. Chapman ($7M); C. Kimbrel ($6M); C. Knebel ($5M); A. Ottavino ($5M); M. Moore ($3M) -
Combined WAR of every top draft pick by MLB team since 2015
South Side Hit Men replied to knightni's topic in Pale Hose Talk
"The White Sox organization is dead last spending on player analytics and scouting, so this graph proves we are outperforming expectations." - Rick Hahn
