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Anybody but Teahen. I love Morel's glove. Hope he can hit a bit. Does he project to hit better than Omar would next year? Both have great gloves. Isn't it funny we dump Uribe and he would have remained a contributor?

Pretty good post since. Our pitching staff ain't done it yet.

Mixed emotions. If it is true they were mocking us in the locker room like somebody posted, then I want them to lose again. Otherwise I'd rather have them finally win it all. Change the mojo a bit for next year ... maybe.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) It bugs me a lot that Ozzie is saying this s*** during the season. One way or another, a lot of these players will be back in 2011, and it can't make them happy to see this going on while they are still playing. It would bother me less if this was November. I agree this was a peculiar one. My only defense of Ozzie is he got asked by it and didn't bring it up. But he would not be a happy manager if one of his players was doing this during the season. That actually might hurt him in dealings in the future, unless they realize it's Ozzie being Ozzie. I've read those type quotes before. But he does have a year and option year left so it's not really smart or right for him to be doing it during the season. Especially since Jerry loves him and he could go to him right after the season. It's all ego and money based which should come as no surprise though.

Great great cartoon. I don't know where you came from, but nobody on the board has ever attacked me like this. WTF. It's like I told somebody else, trust me, I'm not as dumb as you think I am.

I love the way Ozzie gave a little speech thanking the team for their efforts in trying to win the division. He then said he demanded full effort the rest of the way and if anybody had a physical problem to tell him. Manny pipes up and tells him he feels sick and can't play. Hilarious. s*** maybe it was true, but I wonder. That was all in one of the sun times articles concerning the game we played after getting eliminated by Minnie.

Hurt you have worn me out. I'll just say I think you are crazy as much as you think I am stupid and I'll leave it at that. So you win. I'm worn out. p.s. I think many of your statements are as opinionated (without fact) as much as mine (Ozzie seems to be losing it more and more, et. all) I would also like to say I do think a lot of things you've written about me have been pretty personal. The worst thing I've ever called you (or anybody) on here is in this thread, "crazy." And crazy isn't that bad a word. Some of the s*** you've tossed off the wall regarding me ... wow. I wouldn't mind others' opinions on whether I should be more mad at you than I am concerning your posts about me.

Another good Ozzie column. I agree with most of it except for his preferring KW to Ozzie. There's no comparison between the two there. Ozzie is much more valuable IMO. I actually would love to see him with the Cubs if he leaves our Sox. It would be entertaining and unlike some people who see sports as life and death, I find the entertainment value huge. For the most part, I've really enjoyed Oz's controversial rants. He always has something to say unlike 90 percent of managers. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...,2537237.column Also another excellent recent column criticizing KW http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...,6765930.column

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 04:22 AM) Do YOU ever STOP reading newspapers and actually form a coherent thought BY YOURSELF??? This is why someone is telling you that you need a course in logic. Seriously, two people agree with you? That's your argument??? I'm sorry, but your lack of any sort of logic LITERALLY makes you sound like a 9 year-old. BACK UP YOUR OWN OPINION!!! Stop throwing out empty statements because other people say things. I haven't even heard ONE thing from you about WHY you like Ozzie. I haven't heard ONE valid point to support ANYTHING you've ever said on this subject or any other. I'm sorry to be calling you out like this, but I'm going to be frank; your opinion is 100% worthless at this point because you spit in the face of facts and shoot down ideas simply because you like Ozzie... and don't even have a legitimate reason for it or for ANYTHING you say. I'm starting to think you're an android. You appear to have NO thought process whatsoever. And if you are going to complain that I'm being mean and insulting, then prove me wrong and MAKE A VALID POINT OF SOME KIND to back up SOMETHING you say. PLEASE. Jesus CHRIST... QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 04:46 AM) Uh no. Ozzie's career high is 4 home runs in a season and he managed a whole 28 in his 16 year career Pierre has a high of 3 home runs and 14 in 11 years. That's hardly more pop "by far." 1.) Calm down. I don't think everybody on here who knows me wants me to again list all the reasons why I like Ozzie. I have long ago gone into his unorthodox handling of the pitching staff in the 05 postseason, etc. His handling of players, not giving up on them, being a good manager of players and people some of the intangibles that many of you dismiss as meaningless in the world of sabermetrics. You are out of control. People get on me for stating my comments over and over as whoever put the "ad nauseum" on my name on here would suggest. I have resisted this time putting all the reasons I love Ozzie down ... again to give people a break. So I can't win as you lash out at me for not being "ad nauseum" this time. Geez. As far as the newspapers, I actually wrote my comments before checking the trib and sun times. I saw supporters on there and pointed that out to you all. Sometimes I feel like Soxtalk people's opinions are the majority. Then I read the Trib columnists who are read by millions of people and realize my positions are actually commonplace. Ozzie is popular -- some might say wildly popular and not all are people as dumb as you deem me -- whether you believe it or not. 2.) How many doubles and triples did Ozzie have compared to Juan. I guess my memory could be fading but I remember his batting stance and the way he hacked at the ball and it reminds me much more of a real hitter with gap capability than weak Juan. If I'm wrong though, I'm wrong. Finally you said "I haven't even heard ONE thing from you about WHY you like Ozzie. I haven't heard ONE valid point to support ANYTHING you've ever said on this subject or any other." I say: How long have you been on here? Seriously longtimers have read my reasons why I like Ozzie. Are you crazy? A lot do have to do with intangibles like the way he deflects criticism off his players by stealing the headlines many times. I think he also has a feel for the game, not evidenced as well this year. Those are some reasons to go with my above mentioned reasons. I think you've lost it though. I guess if you want me to list 10 specifics I can find time to write an essay of sorts for you with specific examples, etc.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 03:55 AM) Ozzie used to piss me off as a player because he had the hitting selectivity of Alexei Ramirez and the power potential of Juan Pierre. He swung at everything, but I disagree on the pop in his bat. He had more pop than Pierre by far.

Good post Soxfan. If he does leave I will say he dug his own grave (unless this is his master plan) by responding to reporters' questions about his contract and future in Chicago. Most dull managers would have shut up and said, "I have a contract and that is that." But Ozzie being Ozzie went off. So if Jerry doesn't bite and give him an extension, he burned his own bridge. He can't expect to do something like that, when like one of the columnists said, he'd have freaked had one of his players taken a contract issue public at this stage of the season. To those of you who say I never criticize Ozzie. .... I repeat again ... Ozzie Guillen was wrong in not wanting Thome. He was wrong in wanting Kotsay and playing Kotsay too much. He was wrong in not going against Kenny and simply never using Linebrink even though the Sox pay Linebrink. And he was wrong in wanting Juan Pierre and going small ball in a home run hitter's park. This all has to do with Ozzie the wannabe GM. I said he should be stripped of all say in personnel and manage the team. I still don't know why I waste so much time backing a guy who makes millions of dollars a year, will continue to make millions next year whether in Florida NY or on TV and I am stuck in the middle class. This rich man sure doesn't need my support and frankly doesn't need a job unless he's squandered all his millions.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) But you have to understand that you are partially blind in this conversation as well. Look at what you just said. You give ZERO credit to Ozzie for the moves he made in 2005 including those in the playoffs, yet you very easily point out his negative influence on the team. You made my points into a defending Ozzie position which you probably will again even when I clearly pointed out that I was talking in generalities about people's opinions being influenced by outside factors. There is more that just Greg on one extreme side of the discussion, there are the haters on the other side which have a very narrow view of the truth as well. At least I finally see where you are coming from as you put it clearly in your last line. That is all you really needed to say in this thread instead of insulting Greg and typing long responses to my posts about defending Ozzie when i clearly stated I wasnt. It makes alot of sense to me that you want a more logical/statistical influenced manager who is more comfortable playing the game by the book instead of feel. That would be the logical direction to go after getting rid of a pure feel manager. Its like replacing a players coach with a hard-nosed defensive minded guy because its a change. But I'm not sure the pointed insults at people helped you make your point. And back to 2005 for the last time. They didnt win in spite of Ozzie at all. That was clearly one of his best managerial performances as he played his cards almost perfectly from beginning to end, especially in the playoffs. Putting El Duque in against Boston, Bobby in early against Bagwell, leaving Cotts in to strike out the side, finding Bobby immediately after his blown save, leaving the pitchers in in LA, Geoff Blum, Willie Harris, aligning the rotation so Freddy pitched on the road, Dye in the 3-hole. He made alot of top notch moves that postseason and leading up to it, I am not sure how you can ever state the opposite. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 12:35 AM) Shame on greg for forcing excellent posters to break down Ozzie's overall ineptitude as a player. Even his annoying as f*** kids knows he sucked. Do you guys even read the newspapers? You make it sound as if I'm the only person out there who thinks Ozzie rocks. Both columnists take my position. I'm not saying everything in print matters, but you act like I am some lone soldier in support of Ozzie. I will just say I agree with Rock's post. It was beautiful. And you guys (in my opinion) are nuts if you think Ozzie Guillen wasn't a great baseball shortstop. Or a damn good one. What do you guys want in all your baseball players? Pujols at every position? How many years did Ozzie start for a big league team??? He was damn good. I said he swung at everything and that hurt him overall. Hope Tank gets that under control. Cause you have to draw some walks.

The bottom line is this is in Oz's court now. He either keeps the current contract or will leave on his own for Florida or the Mets. It's all up to Oz. I have no idea with a guy of his-sized ego will do in this situation. The bottom line is he'll be making more than a million next year no matter what so he's in great shape compared to many of us in this s*** economy. He'll either be with sox, marlins, mets or tv. He's got it made. He and his ego have it made.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) Have you ever heard of the Chicago Bears? The 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks? That was quoted from the trib article.

Didn't Mark hit the next hitter? What do you want him to do? Pull out a knife? You hate Ozzie; I love Ozzie. We agree to disagree I guess. I know one thing. I'm not going to change my opinion and I would guess you won't either.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 08:54 PM) He was beloved because of 2005 and that's it. So if one article agrees with your point of view, you don't have the blinders on, you're just right. But if it disagrees with you it's, BS... am I understanding you correctly? Man, I really am trying not to insult you, but with every blind post you make it gets harder and harder not to. I'm just trying to understand where in the world you get your sense of logic (or your lack of logic, actually) from... QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) oooooooh i see. must be 100 percent true since Cowley said it and he has a pen in his hand. Say, did you ever hear about this veteran trusted reporter getting banned from voting on the end of season rewards because he deliberately voted wrong so that the award winners would be different? If he is so trusted, why did his own peers suspend him? strange. I now have a pen in my hand. whatever I say is now true. I am going to write "The Sox will sign Albert Pujols" and it must be true now edit: I just looked at Joe Cowleys wikipedia page and found this "On 10/09/2008 Cowley and wife Brent Lillibridge married in middle earth in front of members of the Pittsburgh Steelers." 1.) He was a damn popular shortstop here as well. Both papers called him the face of the White Sox and one of the most popular figures in Chicago. Slam dunk for greg. 2.) Both papers said it. Read their takes on it. I hope Ozzie does go and will laugh at all of you second guessing our new manager's moves every game. Cause that's what Soxtalk does now. The posters freak out over all the moves during games. And guess what, the new manager's moves are going to drive you just as wild. I will enjoy watching you all implode. But hey, you'll just want the next guy fired immediately as well. That's why I say welcome to the revolving door of managers again. Ozzie was our best manager in Sox history ... period.

Ha, just found this quote in the other newspaper, sun times, bout ozzie Guillen is the most popular man in a Sox jersey in town. He might be the most popular sports figure in town. He helps put butts in seats. And he's a good manager. How would not signing him to a new contract help the organization? Yes! That Morrissee colun was excellent and the correct take on this IMO.

Another thing about ego. KW spends a whole article talking about going to the Raiders. His ego is enormous as well. Ozzie should win this battle. Game, set, match, Ozzie.

Doesn't LaRussa do this every year or so? I would imagine he'd want to stay in St. Looie if he wants to keep managing. Unlike here, the people actually realize he can stay as long as he wants to. They get mad but have never run him out of town like many on Soxtalk try to do with WS titlist Ozzie. LaRussa would be a fool to come back here. I would suspect he'll think better of it. Not a good move for him. It's just not. Cardinals are a much better organization than the White Sox. Money about the same I'd suspect. I mean how close is he with Jerry?? Both LaRussa and Ozzie have huge egos. Ozzie's ego may have forced his hand to leave Chicago this time. But Florida won't be a bad consolation prize for him. Not a bad one at all. Probably get a 5 year deal out of it for big bucks in great part of the country.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) Greg, you define the term "with blinders on". unreal QUOTE (That funky motion @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 07:01 PM) I got this from a radio guy who comes in my business. He said, he ran into Ozzie's son at the East Bank Club. Ozzie's son said that if the Sox don't sign Oz to an longer deal, that Oz will call Jim Hendry personally, to try to manage the Cubs. 1.) The article called him a beloved figure in the city of Chicago. He's a veteran trusted reporter. And you say I have the blinders on?? The guy with the pen in his hand backs me. 2.) That story has BS all over it. He'd have one of his people call the Cubs to say he's interested.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) ON TOP OF THAT they then turned around and hit Juan Pierre later on that same game without retaliation from the Sox. There should have been a at least one Twin leaving the field with a concussion or a broken hand that night. And I know I know... concussions are serious business and you never want to purposely injure another athlete and blah blah blah. Tell that to Pavano and punk ass Delmon Young. Jerry Reinsdorf and Eddie Einhorn don't own the Sox. The Twins do. And as much as I love Ozzie, if he doesn't have the balls to inspire his team to protect themselves, then he can go have a nice life managing the Marlins or the Braves. You guys amaze me sometimes. How bout just beating the Twins once in a while to make a statement. A broken hand? You guys would be happy if this was like hockey and the guys could duke and you could see a little blood. If we could answer on the field, that would be the best response? A concussion? Broken hand? are you serious??? How bout winning. Konerko had the best response. A f***ing home run his next at bat.

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) 99 is right on here. I was still a kid when Ozzie left as a FA in '97, but I distinctly remember watching him swing at pitches a foot outside the plate at-bat after at-bat. Dude was a terrible hitter and I was certain of that at the ripe old age of 10. He was not a terrible hitter. He swings at everything much like Tank. He was a decent hitter and a good baseball player. He's also a damn good manager. Whatever team he goes to I will start to follow and root for No. 2 behind the Sox. Guillen is very likeable.

Ha, most of "the city" agrees with me, not Saxtalk. Read that story over and over how much Guillen is beloved. Ozzie rocks. Also, nice way for Kenny to throw in his own ego about how are he is working. Poor, poor KW who put this piece of s*** second half product on the field. Hope you can sleep a few hours, Kenny, staying up all night. "No, not for me," Williams said. "I won't rule that out one day. My competitiveness to win a world championship in Chicago has not waned one bit. The weariness from lack of sleep and trying to figure out how to right the ship, that's exhausting, yes. But I'm not tired of my job here."

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 03:58 AM) Please stop acting like Ozzie was Barry Bonds. I've never heard a worse argument than the one you're trying to make about Ozzie not respecting KW because of their athletic ability. If he really is that arrogant, then why the hell would you want him managing your favorite team? If I'm wrong I'd like a Sox insider to tell me there's no Ozzie superiority complex going on in regards to KW, largely in part because Ozzie will never listen to a guy who was 1/10th the ballplayer Oz was. Oz could field; he hit better than average. He was a very good player. Big ego ballplayers inherently think they know a lot more about the game than somebody like KW who couldn't play the game. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I never discount egos from professional athletes. The only way this can work in the future is if this season at all humbled Ozzie, and it probably didn't. The media doesn't help by not being more aggressive. He should be getting grilled about the Thome thing and his penchant for playing NL ball in an AL home run park. I despise Mariotti, but Oz would have been taken to task by this year's bad personnel decisions by Mariotti (Thome, Kotsay, Pierre, bunting). The media is OK but nobody has gone after Oz for his dumb GM decisions. If Oz lets another GM actually make all the personnel moves it might work in the future. Oz did prove this year he's not a good judge of the everday talent it takes to win.

It was an unexpected championship, fine, I guess. Would last year have been another fluke, then? People were saying that if could just make it to the playoffs, with Peavy we had the rotation built for the postseason and could win it all. You keep hearing that we are a team built to win in the postseason if we can just get there. So last year would not have been a fluke? I hate the talk of flukes. Go through all the champions in all sports the last 20 years and you'll find a lot of "unexpected" champions. Again, what would Butler basketball have been last year if the ball goes in at the buzzer? A fluke? Or an unexpected, sensational champion? I think fluke is a derogatory word. So it was an unexpected title in many respects. Big deal. Welcome to championship play.