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I just don't really get how we can waste all that money on Edwin that could have gone toward keeping Paulie. Is Edwin worth that much more to our rotation than Hudson? If we can keep Paulie in the meantime? Could be a very stupid decision. That said, if Paulie walks, I agree ... please let it be AZ.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 10:41 PM) The Sox should try to get one-year deals with Carlos Pena and Hideki Matsui and try to catch lightning in a bottle. If it doesn't work, dump everyone next July. This organization is a mess right now. Yuk. If those two guys are regulars for our Sox, we may be in for a last place campaign ... unless our pitching simply dominates.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 06:05 AM) Ha, I love how some view other team's 24-25 year old high talent players vs how Gordon is viewed around here. It's absurd really. It's called the unknown. It's human nature. Many prefer the allure of the unknown versus the familiar. I agree it's nuts. I wish Kenny valued his own more, sometimes, as well. I like some of the young guys he's gotten rid of.

I think it's time to move on. Let Bobby go. Putz, Thornton, Sergio and Sale will close by committee. Or should close by committee. That is, unless we have to trade Jackson or Mark B to free up some money to sign Dunn and Konerko. Then I'd start Sale. There will be blown saves next season but we do have four decent bodies to replace Jenks in Putz/Thornton/Sergio/Sale. There's really no reason to bring back Bobby. I think it's a no brainer they let him go. On paper, he is replaceable. If we do bring him back, however, I'll be wanting him to be the closer.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 04:13 AM) This post is a bucket of suck. AJ is 34 next year, not 35. That immediately shows how much thought you've put into your argument. Career performance is ALWAYS the first thing that matters in a contract. The known commodity always matters, especially to contenders. Why the f*** do you think Ben Sheets got all that money from the A's and Harden got all that cash from Texas? Why did Wang get money from the Nats? Why did Nick Johnson get that cash last year from the Yankees? None of those guys were safe bets to do anything, and none of them did anything, but they got that money because of what they can do which is based upon what they have done in the past. AJ has shown no signs of slowing down and at 34 next year he shouldn't be expected to given his track record. Signing him for his age 34 and 35 seasons with an option (possibly vesting) for his age 36 season is not necessarily a bad deal at all. IMO he'll get offered that. From what I've been reading, I'd like to see AJ back and have him platoon with Olivo. I'd also like both Konerko and Dunn. Yes those four guys are all slow and command a lot of money. Trade Edwin Jackson for a batch of prospects to free up a little bit of dough.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Nov 20, 2010 -> 08:58 PM) I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but I think a part of the reason why Granderson kind of sucked the past two years is because he hasn't adjusted to the spotlight and pressures of playing in New York. I think a change of scenery for him, to a team where each player's move is not under a constant microscope, can help Granderson. I think this is a reasonable post. He might be one of those guys who sucks in NY. If we are going to take a gamble on a guy having a bounce back year, I think Granderson could be that type of guy. Also it can't hurt to get somebody who used to play in the AL Central for karma's sake. Maybe he'll help change the mojo against Central teams. We sleepwalk vs. the Tigers, Twins and Royals and Tribe.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 20, 2010 -> 08:26 PM) Cowley is the worst writer in town in terms of being a journalist. Rogers is the worst columnist. Cowley knows the game but his articles are so bloated with his assinine commentary they are unreadable, and Rogers is readable but his baseball knowledge is non-existent. I can read Cowley's articles. Why do we expect beat writers to not splice their stories with commentary nowadays, when "journalism" is non existent in this era of UNREADABLE fan blogs?

I picked Jackson. I wouldn't mind trading Mark if Kenny CLEARLY wins the trade.

If they tore it down and built a new Wrigley on the exact same spot, wouldn't that take years upon years? They'd have to knock it down, clear out all that debris, get the land all ready and build a new park again?? With Chicago weather delays? Wow. If they already have renovation designs, they need to renovate right there. Don't you think the city has to help out some? Moving the Cubs to some other location to build a new park like somebody said would be a disaster. The park and the experience is a the whole Cub experience isn't it?

This makes perfect sense. They acquired Ibanez when he was still young enough to be productive and Quentin is kind of the same guy. Moderately disappointing as Ibanez was in KC. If we trade quentin we should not give him away. He still had a lot of RBIs and still has "potential." I totally could see why Philly would want him. This might sound dumb, but I think quentin has tools but needs a new approach (stance) at the plate. I really don't give a f*** either way about Walker, but I think Quentin needs some help in his approach at the plate. Quentin, though, is worth more than scraps in a trade.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2010 -> 08:25 PM) Curtis Granderson? The Sox always seem to be a couple years late. I wouldn't trade a starting pitcher for him at this point in his career I've always wanted Granderson in a Sox uniform so I'll say thumbs up to the deal. However I am alarmed at how much Grandy sucked this past season. He was not good. I would love to make this deal and find a way to get a middle reliever for Pierre. Wouldn't some team, somewhere, take Juan Pierre off our hands? Please?

If Peavy begins the season on the DL or is out to, gulp, June ... we may need Sale as a starter. Danks opening day Jackson Mark Floyd Sale that should be our rotation.

After reading that article, I think it's pretty apparent this will be Oz's final season with the Sox. His contract runs out and that'll be it. That way he won't be fired and he can come back someday maybe. It's kind of interesting Jerry admits that Ozzie was expendable in a trade. Kind of caps a wacky weird season of 88 wins (that to me seemed like 75 wins). Only in dysfunctional Soxland does the season end with the manager being considered in a trade. My god. Unless we really kick butt this season as a team, and I don't see us being any better than this past season, I think Oz walks on his own, taking the best offer or is an announcer for a year waiting to get a good managing job. We'll keep Kenny and hire some plastic non-quotable guy like Buddy Bell. Not saying it's Bell but somebody very dull in media interviews. s***, if we go .500 or better, it might even be Cora.

Time to sign Thome for old time's sake. And it might piss off Twins' fans. It's time he returns to our side. One mill a year. Tons of incentives. Jimmy baby. I can even handle Jones (ugg) alternating with him at DH.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 17, 2010 -> 03:43 AM) I'm not in if by young you mean the Rays model. I really don't want ten years of bad to be good. QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 17, 2010 -> 05:16 AM) How do the White Sox have an amazing pitching staff? I'll give you that it's a quality starting rotation with solid depth, but who is the #1 starter amongst this group? I'm not even sure there's a #2 on this staff. Yes, each of these guys is likely to give a quality start when they pitch, and they do tend to keep the team in most ball games, but there's no ace on the staff, and I'm not sure there's a closer either. The Royals have been waiting 25 years and are still waiting. But I confess I'd like to get younger. I mean do we really need Juan Pierre? And if Omar is more than a super sub, that is not good as well. AJ and Paulie are getting up there as well. Our starting staff is not amazing. It's not bad, tho. But it does not amaze anybody.

QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Nov 16, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) The guy had 2 RBIs in 88 PAs for us, no friggin' thanks. I don't know if I should laugh or cry at how pathetic Manny was as our playoff sparkplug. And yet because he's Manny or the unknown he gets a free pass. Not.Worth.That.Kinda.Money. But I agree he's a better option than Kotsay/Jones/DH by committee.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 15, 2010 -> 01:53 AM) I don't think Putz is going to cash in this offseason. Hopefully we get him for another 1yr deal, with better incentives. I agree with this. He was very good in his comeback year, s*** I'd give him and A- even. But considering how he imploded at the end, I can't see anybody giving him a good deal. Bring him back for a year.

There have been many many worse pitchers in Sox history than Jon Garland. He's put together a fairly nice career. Those who called him Judy pissed me off. He did fine as a White Sox and has continued to be serviceable if not decent in his post-Sox career. I prefer this part of his bio on wikipedia. Many blast me for always mentioning 2005 but hey, he is one of many who stepped up to provide us with our greatest sports memory of our lives. The 05 postseason. " In Garland's first career postseason start, he threw a complete game, 4-hitter, with 7 strikeouts against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, in the ALCS. In his other postseason start, in the World Series, Garland pitched 7 innings and gave up only 2 earned runs." Garland prolly prefers this part: "Following the 2005 season, Garland signed a three-year $29 million contract, avoiding salary arbitration."

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Nov 14, 2010 -> 06:59 PM) That's almost Linebrink money. I think I'd be ok with Thornton (Closer), Putz (RHSU), Sale (LHSU). There's an uneasiness whenever Bobby came out the pen, that self-doubt is infectious and barring a trade(which is very unlikely) he should be non-tendered. Uneasiness? There's a meltdown of epic proportions whenever he takes the mound, at least from a great majority of fans at least on here. It's got to be closer by committee. f*** traditional roles. Thornton, Puts and Sale are the three, folks. Oz is going to have to ride the hot hand. Let Putz start out the season as the closer or whomever looks sharpest in April and go from there. But it needs to be closer by committee. There's no way in hell Putz is going to be reliable the entire season. He hit his rough stretch. Thornton had his lousy outings. Maybe Sale is the next great thing, like Soria. I don't know. If he is, I guess give it to Sale. If not CLOSER BY COMMITTEE baby and I hope Bobby goes to the NL for reasons I post before which get people so mad at me. Yes I hate when former Sox go against us on a regular basis and oft times beat us.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 13, 2010 -> 07:25 AM) One could argue every White Sox first round pick from 1991-2007 was an epic fail. That is a credit to the organization that we've been able to have the success we've had with absolutely no help from the amateur draft. Great point. It's also another reason I don't get excited about the draft. Some guys make it; some don't in baseball. Either scouts suck or it's just a tough sport to predict.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 13, 2010 -> 04:26 AM) Good God why couldn't somebody in the Sox organization teach this guy how to swing a bat? Think of our defense with BA in center and Rios in right... Sometimes the guy holding the bat has to accept the responsibility. Man, what wasted talent. Wasn't he a first round pick? Too cocky?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 12, 2010 -> 05:07 AM) Beckham was horrid in '10 and Morel has proven nothing. How is that a championship caliber IF? I thought Beckham had a good second half. Lexi is very very good. Paulie is amazing. That leaves Morel. He's proven great with the glove. That's a damn good IF in my opinion. Much better than our outfield on paper.

Danks hands down. Not to be a downer, but why all the hope for Peavy? Don't pitchers generally reek after coming back from major surgery?

It's wild that on paper, we have a championship caliber infield in Paulie, Beckham, Alexei and Morel. I mean seriously, that's not a bad infield. Our outfield leaves something to be desired right now. Juan is average at best in left; Rios is fine in center, but very streaky at the plate, while CQ remains the enigma. For our outfield to be above average, Quentin has to hit a TON.

I think it'd be dumb to develop a guy for two years, then trade him, but that's just me. As far as him being a mental midget ... I think we nitpick on here sometimes regarding our own players. It seems to me there aren't many better second baseman prospects than Beckham. I guess if he sucked next season, maybe he's another Alex Gordon bust, but it seems to me you don't go trading guys that you develop, guys who have shown signs of brilliance like Beckham.