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QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 05:45 PM) ^^^^This. I am sort of ashamed to say it, but when my coworker alerted me to Santo's passing, my first response dripping with sarcasm was "I guess now he'll finally get into the HOF." I did not wish him ill health or death and feel for his family like I would for anyone losing a loved one. However, from a baseball standpoint, he was an atrocious announcer and an unconscionable self promoter for the HOF. Yes, Bernstein can be a jerk, but I do respect the fact that he will not waiver on an opinion just because someone who he criticized gets sick or dies. Too many people change their stance and start making someone on to be a saint because they have an ailment. I know you probably don't mean to come across this way, since you mentioned you were ashamed to say it, but you come across like kind of a modern day Scrooge/monster in this post. Your last sentence ... I'd counter by saying if someone has an ailment or dies and people speak well of them, that uh, shows class. It's barbaric to blast people when they die or have some bad ailment. Also, who cares if he b****ed about not being in the Hall of Fame? I don't. I like when people stand up for themselves. The Hall of Fame has many many faults and the way players are selected is very very dumb. And as far as his horrible announcing, it's the way it is with homers. Cub fans obviously loved his announcing. I happen to love Hawk's style and he's an incredible homer as well.

I don't know how he could mention Cliff Lee and the White Sox. We'd have to trade Buehrle and likely Edwin immediately to afford him.

Good job, Jerry. This shows again a couple things. Other teams want our players as much as we devalue them on here and on the talk shows. And there's no burning desire for players to leave because of the sometimes perceived feeling that Oz is a clown and our team is a sideshow. Players are not dying to leave the White Sox. Ozzie is obviously a good manager to play for if you produce for him and even if you don't (Kotsay, Linebrink, Jones, Teahen, etc., never grumbled publicly).

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 07:31 AM) Good take... Atrocious in the booth, and the stories that are calling his playing career "legendary" are preposterous, but he did a lot good things and raised a ton of $ for the JDRF. Decent human being in a world where a lot of people aren't. RIP. Great point about him being a good human being. It baffles me why so many people today are assholes. It makes no sense. People should live by the f***ing Golden Rule.

Thanks for the posts. I just am a bit skeptical about the medical world. My dad has stomach cancer and is going through chemo. He was getting poor treatment in suburbia and decided to go downtown to u of chicago for treatment and he's undergoing a radical new form of treatment. Hopefully the university is trying to find a great cure for cancer.

Why aren't we bringing Freddy back? He'd be worth a small contract wouldn't he? He was OK.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2010 -> 03:59 AM) The ball Thome hit off Thornton was hit harder. I didn't see that one thankfully. But Roberts crushed it. Hopefully Putz running out of gas last season is because of his comeback from injury. But those that hated Bobby's implosions are not gonna like Putz either if he has 4-5 outings like that. That's all it takes to hate a closer, especially if two implosions come in a row.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) He also added that people dont mention that a LOT of Santo's health problems could have been minimized had he taken better care of himself. Please expand on what he said. Lots of people drink heavily and smoke in their youth. Til they are 40 or so and wise up. What did Santo do to not take care of himself so much??

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 06:07 PM) Besides the fact that D.Lee is one whole year older, everything else is in his favor. He's got a higher career ops, much better defender, better athlete and will make much less money on this upcoming contract and once again, this is a real easy decision imo. The fact that Derrek had a bad first half of last season while battling some injuries doesn't change that fact. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 06:41 PM) I really like the idea of Dlee. I don't know what his long-term health outlook looks like, but if he's fine than I'm ok with him on a 2yr deal worth 14-20M in guaranteed plus some incentives. I think it would be foolish to assume he's going to get half of what Konerko gets in general. It isn't like Lee is some scrub. I think a lot of you suggesting we can get him at 5 to 6M are severley underestimating his value. I could be wrong though, but he's been pretty productive the past few seasons and has been relatively healthy over his career. If he ends up with 5 to 6 per season, its because not enough teams are in the market for a 1st baseman and he ends up having to take less, but he'd look damn good at 1B. If we had an option of Paulie and no relievers or DLee at a few mill less plus an added arm to our pen, I'll go Dlee. Little surprised you two mods are in favor of dumping Paulie for Lee. Don't get it. It's not our money. Ticket prices/parking/concessions will go up every year no matter if Paulie signs or not. Paulie should get a final three-year deal with the Sox. If he insists on huge money again after this deal concludes, then I guess he has to walk at that point. Jerry's getting old and wants another WS winner. I still say if money's the issue we can get by without Edwin. Trade him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2010 -> 03:45 AM) The fact that Thornton throws with his left hand and is, in fact, a top left handed reliever in the game (and arguably the best) means that he loses value when he only throws in the 9th. By keeping him in a situational role like this, he can be used anytime between the 6th and the 9th, and he can be used in the 9th if the situation calls for it. Putz doesn't have that platoon advantage - not that he's not better against righties than lefties (I'm sure he is) - simply because right handed pitchers aren't nearly as in demand. Putz closing would be a good thing for this organization. The Putz that ran out of gas last season closing would not be a good thing for this organization. That home run he gave up in that one game might be the hardest hit ball I've ever seen. I forget the particulars. It was on the road. I realize the lefty thing with Thornton, but before he hit that bump in the road late as well, he was nasty. I'd prefer a nasty closer like Thornton. We have needed a reliable one or two inning setup man for a long long time. Putz could be the man.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 10:18 PM) Putz is on his way, and yes I think he will get a chance to close. I don't know why Putz would close over Thornton. Putz to me would be a perfect setup man

That's the only part of your post that made me say, "You are correct, sir." I doubt we can keep Paulie for that reason. Dunn strikes out a ton but hey, he hits a lot of home runs and is worth a shot. Ticket prices are gonna be high no matter if we have Dunn or not. So might as well have Dunn. If for some reason Paulie signed, ON PAPER we have a pretty good offense. Dunn, Paulie, CQ, Rios, Lexi and Beckham are a darn good sixpack to go with AJ, Morel and weak Juan. If Viciedo wins the job, that's a pretty solid seven (I'm high on Viciedo despite his bad D). Paulie not signing with us still leaves a lineup hole, though. I guess Lee would be OK in theory.

Common sense just dictates that that annoying person Palin would not be the nominee. With campaigns lasting a couple years she is gonna eventually make people hit the mute button and the Republicans would be stuck with a landslide defeat.

Then let me say no way in hell are Republicans dumb enough that she will be the nominee.

With the Jimmy V Classic coming up and the fact I have family members battling cancer made me wonder if you guys agree with conspiracy theorists who believe scientists/experts/medical personnel across the world are not trying to find cures for cancer. Almost every family has lost somebody to cancer. And yet no cure?? Conspiracy theorists would say there's so much money to be made by the medical community that it'd be a distaster financially to cure this horrid piece of s*** disease. Tell me there is no conspiracy and the medical community is really trying to cure cancer. You tell me why with all this money being raised yearly there's no cure in site?????

I don't like Palin. No way in hell our country is dumb enough to elect her president. No way.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) As a boy in Chicago during a time when the Cubs had so many great players on their team Santo was always my favorite. Even though I was a Sox fan I had a place in my heart for Santo. We shared the same 1st name and a love of 3rd base. Santo handled his diabetes with grace and class raising money and spending time with children's diabetic organizations. He seemed to have a good sense of humor and handled aging and being an amputee very well and inspired many in the same position . Rest in peace Ronnie. Great post. I also played third base and loved the fact there were both Santo and Melton to have as "idols" if that's the right word. I haven't lived in Chicago a while but I wonder why anybody would "hate" Santo. I guess there are reasons but he doesn't seem like a hateable figure. I got goosebumps when I saw this thread. Rest in peace, Mr. Santo. It's a sad day in Chicago I'm sure. This is going to get massive publicity and it should in Chicago. Very sad. He's got to be one of the most recognizable names in Chicago sports. Ron Santo is dead. Hard to believe it.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:31 PM) Already covered, I know, but I have to list it- Wish Bobby well somewhere else, while thanking him greatly for the memories- Check. Dump Linebrink wherever will take him and at least half his salary- Check+ Bring AJ back- Check. Get some LH power- Double-check. Get TCQ a headshrink- (I think I heard.) Check. Try to unload Teahen' salary (Not as crucial as the preceding things.)- Not yet. Get Paulie back (His name is on my game jersey.)- Still hoping. Extend Ramirez' contract- Not yet. Keep Putz- Not yet, but still hoping. Happy already, with potential for more. If Kenny was able to dumb Linebrink, there could be hope of dumping Teahen on the Pirates or somebody if we pay 1.5 mill of his salary as well.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 04:07 PM) At the moment our bench looks to be Vizquel, Teahen, Castro, and Lillibridge, and likely Dayan Viciedo. We' might have to go out and get someone who can spell Alex in CF, because i don't know how comfortable i am with Lillbridge being thrown out there. It's actually an oddly versatile bench, but it' sucess relies on Viciedo taking a step forward and Teahen assuming career norm production. That is a good way of wording it. It is an oddly versatile bench. I hope Dayan makes the team and gets to play. I wish he'd go to winter ball and maybe battle Morel for the job at third. If Paulie comes back, could we afford one sieve in the infield on defense at third? Lexi, Beckham and Paulie are pretty good fielders.

You're getting rid of the fire ozzie sig?? If so, thank you very much and Merry Christmas. I hate that sig.

Not to pile on Linebrink, but he was godawful. Bye bye. Hope you are successful in the NL with the Braves. Can't think of a Sox pitcher who was as bad as Linebrink. Well, yes I can, but he was awful.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:17 PM) Thanks Great great sig. I do wish we could get rid of the fire ozzie sig. If you go to that facebook page or whatever it is for fire ozzie there are like 2 posts on there. Geez, a real popular movement. What buzzkill on a great day. Keep Ozzie. Go Sox. Love Dunn/Paulie. The offseason is wonderful when your team makes moves and everybody is 0-0.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 04:28 AM) It's still amazing the Sox won with him as the closer in 2005, Bobby get it together and go pitch in the NL West. Not amazing at all. He was great. Do you think he'll be a Cub?

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 01:57 AM) Carlos Pena. Seriously. I think last year was an outlier for him. I would easily go 2 years on Pena before Konerko. I don't understand how anybody would want Pena on our team. Konerko over Lee.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 06:16 AM) The White Sox have money, and Jerry is old... not to make this too macabre but what is Jerry going to do, sit around for another rebuilding? The White Sox have a sweetheart lease deal on their stadium, parking revenue, all the creative revenue teams bring in that is shown in other teams financial documents leaked to Deadspin, and 1/4 ownership of a cable network... not to mention JR's ownership group has an insane amount of equity in that team. I'm not saying the Sox have been "cheap" because they been in the top 10 in payroll, but I also think there's money there and they're pushing the limits at this point, and I'm happy about it. I like this post.