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I don't know if he's saying that, but that's the feeling of most fans. Fire the manager; play the second team quarterback; pull that goalie! I personally decide whether I think a manager/coach knows his s*** and if I think he knows his s*** I stick with him in good times and bad no matter the shift in personnel. I already said Oz should have NO ROLE in future personnel decisions, just manage the guys the GM gives him. It usually is a disaster when coaches double as GMs. Oz knows his s***; Oz is a White Sox Hall of Famer. Deal with it.

You know what I say to that ... bull s***! Then if it is so easy why haven't any other chicago teams won s*** in the past 100 years??? You people who think anybody could have led us to that incredible postseason run are just plain nuts. If it was so f***ing easy then why did none of our other playoff teams reach the WS? Or the Cubs playoff teams with incredible Lou? Ozzie is a White Sox Hall of Famer. Deal with it.

Stuck in the 80s? We won it all in 05 with him at the helm. Oh I forgot, he did nothing to help us win the WS. Anybody could have led that team to the title. Tell that to every other Chicago baseball team trying to win a title in oh, one century. You must mean stuck in the 04s.

Nobody reads anybody's posts carefully. I said take away Oz's pseudo GM role. If you think he should be fired for wanting stiffs like Kotsay and Pierre and Omar and getting his wish, by all means fire him. Definitely listen to Oz no more if you are the personnel decision man, but leave him as manager. Lots of coaches/managers also wanna be GM. It's not a good idea. If Jerry, etc., think Oz's role in making the roster is enough to fire him, go for it. But I'm saying he's a good enough manager.

Zeke obviously you think we have good players; I don't. You can shuffle the deck all you want. The lineup sucks no matter who is batting where, no matter if Omar plays or sits. I disagree with everything you said; you disagree with everything I say. I'm telling you. When your team loses, you can second guess every Oz decision or any manager's decision. Jerry Reinsdorf is a logical man. He realizes these things and you Oz haters are stuck with him. Oz rocks! Now we know why managers/coaches get paid the big bucks. When they've been around a while, the masses turn on them. Kudos to Bobby Cox, Gregg Popovich, Jerry Sloan, LaRussa and guys like that who shut their fans up, survived the "fire the manager" cliche when things got bad and stuck around a long time.

Davey Johnson? My god. Why? Just to get Ozzie out of here? What does he bring to the table better than Ozzie? You people that want Ozzie out slay me. You think Davey Johnson knows baseball better than Ozzie? I don't get how a rational White Sox fan would want the one guy who brought this city a title out of town in five years. He's only going to get better and better. How bout DEMANDING better talent for this team and trading for and signing better free agents. Adding Omar, Teahen, some hack relievers, Pierre and getting rid of Thome, Dye, Pods does NOT constitute a winning offseason. My god. Adding Jones as your big gun is not a helluva offseason even though he's hit a batch of home runs in April. It's easy to say "fire the manager." Take away his pseudo GM duties; but let Oz manage. This team sucks; the manager is fine.

My guess is if you followed any manager as closely as you follow the Sox and their manager, you'd ultimately come to the conclusion that manager is a "bad in-game manager." All decisions of all managers get second guessed and when the crap talent puts an L up, the manager's decisions look dumb. I blame talent unless the manager is a buffoon like Bevington.

Basically because he knows baseball, has lived baseball. He knows what he's doing. Like all managers he wins when he has good players; he loses when he has crap. He loves the White Sox; exudes his love for the White Sox. He makes the right moves. He, like all managers, can't help it if the players don't come through in executing his moves. He like anybody else has opinions on the make up of his roster. Most managers don't have much of a say. He was given too much of a say by KW. That should change. He should take what he's given and manage it. Everytime I read his quotes they make perfect sense. He's going to be a manager for the next 20 years and get better and better. He might as well be doing that with the Sox, a perfect fit for him. Are those enough reasons? Is he perfect? No. I wish he'd identify his best players on this horses*** roster and go with them almost every single day. This rest stuff is overrated especially early in the year. I can understand why he wouldn't want to watch some of these stiffs play every day, but he was doing the "rest" thing a lot in past seasons, too with the Sunday lineups. But I love Ozzie and think he knows his s***. He's young and he's good. Some of you who want change probably also want the second team QB a lot and unless the second-team QB is good, that never works out either. Sox everyday lineup sucks; Sox suck. Starting pitchers should turn it around. On paper, not a bad rotation. Ozzie is good. He's gotten a lot of on the job experience here in his first managing job. Why ship him somewhere else to bring in some clown like Buddy Bell or some retread or even some manager from our minor league system? Dumb. Let Ozzie reign.

I read it out of respect and I might learn something. It was long, but he's a good poster as you are.

You guys that want Ozzie fired just kill me. What would that gain? Why would you want the guy who led us to the single greatest moment likely in your lives (as a fan), be fired? You think he's gotten dumber since '05? He's going to be a good to great manager for 20 more years. Why the f*** do you want this colorful, fun loving guy in another uniform? This guy bleeds White Sox black. You act like he's f***ing Bevington? He's Ozzie! The face of our franchise. Get him some talent. If he wants Juan Pierre, we need a strong GM to say, 'f*** you Ozzie; you manage the guys I give you.' If he wants mythical Ozzieball players, we need a GM to tell him, "You did mighty well with home run hitters in 05. You are getting home run hitters for this ballpark. Manufacture runs any way you can, but here's what I'm giving you. Deal with it." Who in the hell do you want to replace Ozzie?? I repeat give me some names. Ozzie rocks!

Nix is a scrub; Teahen is a scrub. But I would agree Teahen should be removed from the field permanently. Oh, let him play one day a week. But Nix also is a scrub.

OK I'll compromise. Play Nix at second six of every seven games at second then. To salvage this season, or to at least give fans a reason to think our team isn't a disgrace, it should be Beckham at third, Lexi at short and Nix at second. Let Teahen play all those utilitiy positions he played in KC, but very rarely should he see the field or come to the plate. As far as what one said about my defensive plan, I thought Beckham had many pretty darn good strides at third and by the end of the year was decent to good defensively. Teahen is a disaster on D and a pathetic offensive player.

I put the changes I wanted. I said I knew we wouldn't move Lexi back to second. Since they wont do that, put Beckham at third, it's Lexi at short and play Omar/Nix at second. Making Teahen a scrub makes a helluva lot more sense than sending Beckham down. If we send Beckham down, I think our organization has lost its mind. And to think this organization put together a WS champ just five years ago. Having Juan Pierre and Teahen in the everyday lineup is really really bad for a major league team planning on winning games. Some of the others are underachieving big-time, but these two guys are a joke. They are once a week players.

Our organization thinks too much. Beckham has been deemed ready to play by our organization. Play him every f***ing day. This team was ruined with bad offseason acquisitions that weakened the lineup, coupled with mediocre starting pitching when it was supposed to be overpowering starting pitching. The only changes I want to see involve moving Beckham back to third base and sitting that stiff, Teahen. If Nix and Omar have to play second every day, so be it. I'd say moving Lexi back to second, but we know we can't do that since our organization thinks Lexi is some whiz at short. It should be Beckham at third, Omar at short and Lexi at second. Then replace Omar in the offseason.

Yeah a real joke. He owns a piece of jewelry no other manager in Chicago history has ... oh, since the dark ages I mean.

Wimpy was great. His voice seems to have changed though. I guess it's a while since he was here before.

Yeah, you guys are right. He is one position we don't have to worry about. I was just thinking that if it's a total rebuild job, the team might want the money of his contract to work with. If we continue to tinker instead of massively rebuild, he does fill the cf hole nicely for the next five years or so.

I only got to watch the first period. Wow, Niemi must have been outstanding. Great win in a very loud arena. I know a lot of teams this year have played well on the road in the playoffs (Hawks have lost their share of home games), but give it up for the Hawks. Man, great great victory on the road. It seemed to me the loudest venue, at least the period and a half I watched.

That makes great sense, too much sense for our front office brass I guess.

I should have put it in green or whatever. I was referring to the mad talk in the offseason how it was supposedly the greatest rotation ever. And all that crap that gets spewed out in the winter. Like the fact Mark Teahen might be fine at third base, when anybody with a brain knew he wouldn't be fine there. Beckham starts to learn how to play the position pretty damn well, so they move him for Mark Teahen. My god. This isn't the reason Gordon is sucking at the plate I'm sure, but still, way to f*** with him, white Sox. Right now we should move Gordon back to third, move Lexi back to second, let Omar play short the rest of the year as our OC type acquisition and leave Gordon at third and Lexi at second the next 10 years while working on a new plan at short. Oh wait, too late to do that. Alexei was deemed our phenom at short.

Dick Allen normally speaketh the truth. Spot on.

That's true about the ace mentality. I just hope it's his competitiveness and he calms down pretty quickly when they make the call to pull him. I'm glad he's a competitor. It's just kind of dangerous if managers listen to their aces and leave them in too long. Four runs is a lot different in the ninth than if he had given up one run and was cruising along, etc. Fair comment, though.

WIth that logic, Oz should be immediately fired for bringing in Pierre and KW should definitely be fired for bringing in Teahen. And whoever decided to move Beckham to second should be immediately fired. Also, whoever decided to not sign Thome for cheap should be fired. Whoever did't work harder to make Pods feel the love and take a reasonable deal should be fired (management never acted like it wanted Pods his 3 year 'demand' notwithstanding). Also Oz should be fired for falling for Kotsay. And Walker should be fired for ruining Beckham. Cooper should be fired for the s*** effort from this once in a lifetime rotation. Fire everybody.

Fair post. Gavin hasn't received much criticism on here. I know I've given him a major free pass. When I think of Gavin, I think good thoughts and he's sucked as you pointed out.

If the Sox feel they have a GM and system capable of rebuilding with young prospects, then by all means deal Rios if he's dealable. Get rid of that contract.