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This is my kind of post. Worth reading. I didn't think it was somewhat embarrassing until we got Jay. Nobody can really convince me he deserves a spot on the team. It's still not "embarrassing" cause all those guys can play in MLB. I think it's somewhat embarrassing but no biggie.

I just get upset all the time when my favorite White Sox get released or reamed on the board by the analytical guys who are suddenly quiet regarding Jon Jay. I mean there's kind of a double standard when people ream me for loving guys like Davidson/Palka because their advanced stats blow, or worshiping Avi when it's pointed out he'll be too old to be on the WS teams and then we pick up a Jon Jay and nobody's outraged. In pure entertainment value, if Avi stays healthy, you get 30 home runs (EXCITEMENT). Nobody can deny he's not as bad as he once was defensively. There's something to be said bout watching a guy like Avi. What the hell is Jon gonna do next season to thrill anybody? Oh well, I don't think like most of you.

Roughneck ... wouldn't you rather see anybody from our own system take Jon's at bats? I heard on the radio today in KC (don't blame the messenger) that baseball is in trouble because it's boring. It can't be helped when the White Sox give 300 to 500 at bats to Jon Jay. Good gosh Roughneck, why Jon Jay?? If we're going to lose, I enjoy seeing guys like Davidson and Palka occasionally rock one into the stratosphere. To me, that's excitement. Jon Jay? Oh well, I'll stop now. I'm sure Jon is a nice guy, etc.

Acquiring guys like Jon Jay just rubs me the wrong way. What does he do well?? Again .. give me anybody in our minor league system (I know, nobody's ready, blah blah) over Jon Jay. I'd rather see some AA guy or AAA guy get a chance and have a revolving door over Jon Jay. I mean, geez, acquiring a guy like this is indefensible IMO.

You all know greg is bizarre and some moves anger him and some don't. I'm trying to remain calm as I have off season, but I want to know how anybody on this board can be in favor of the Jay signing. I really don't want to hear about the intangibles involving he and Manny and he being best buds this time. He already has his brother in law on the team which is good nuff. I want you advanced stat guys to tell me anything you like about Jay. He's everything "many" advanced stat people hate. Age: a negative. He had 527 at bats for gosh sakes and look at his production last year. He doesn't run, doesn't hit for any power, doesn't knock in runs, and doesn't draw an amazing amount of walks. It is an insult to this Sox fan that they'd release Avi and acquire Mr. Jay. Ugh. Talk me off the ledge; I don't think you can unless you just say a.) if it helps us get Manny ... b.) he's better than Engel and not blocking anybody. c.) he's a good fourth outfielder. Give me anybody in our organization (especially Avi) over Jon Jay. Sorry if I am mad; I am who I am.

This move is OK with me. The Sox appear to have a much much better bullpen and in this day and age if this bullpen can be a 7 out of 10, we'll win 10 more games next season provided our lineup is as good and not much worse than last year's. Right now with Jon Jay and Alonso and McCann we are trending to have a worse lineup. Whatever ... I am all for bullpen pieces. Our payroll is slowly going up and the age of our roster is going up, folks. Some of you that think Avi was too old to be a piece for the rebuild might be freaking out soon over our team getting older. p.s. the longer we remain a bad team, the easier it is to shut up fans like greg. I'm getting numb to our lousiness and my level of outrage is decreasing year by year.

Jon Jay is 33 and not very good. I won't go on and on and get all greg-ged up about it, but folks I don't really wanna watch Jon Jay on my mlb.com subscription next season. I guess he could replace Engel and that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But ... geez, Jon Jay?

Avi!!!!!!!

Is Holmes and Watson that bad?

Cheers to making your own beers. Stooges forevermore. ...

You gotta admit. Greg has been consistent. I always have wanted us to win and not tank/rebuild. I just want us to become contenders again. That's not too much to ask of a fanbase. If we keep losing at this rate, let's say we lose 90 or more again this year, it's really settling in that we are the dregs. I realize the Astros proved you can turn it around when the rebuild is complete, but folks, it's time we start to get good again. I don't think our fanbase is that bad at all. The games I watch on mlb.com, our fans were pretty into the games we were competitive in last year. Sad thing is there were too many games that were over by the fifth inning. But in the games we won at home or competed, our fans deserve credit. They cheered loudly. Mr. Hahn has to speed this rebuild up just a little bit me thinks! Go SOX.

I can see this. I've always thought he'd be a perfect addition for the Cubs, a team with the one WS but needing a jolt so to speak to complete the deal one or two more times. I want Harper on the South side.

I agree. I know it doesn't seem like a Greg-like take, considering my takes on Jerry's wallet and wanting free agents, but this is just one baseball player (and one who does have some red flags regarding his behavior on the field and comments about not running out grounders, etc). I won't be mad if we get Manny (at 40 mill a year? yikes) and I won't be mad if we don't get him. I "guess" if the Sox ask Manny's agent what the Yankees are offering and the Sox simply offer 20-50 million more, yes I'd suspect the Sox would get Manny. It seems rather silly to pay one human being that much. Again I don't really care either way, but I'm not a huge Manny guy. I would prefer Bryce Harper myself.

Am about to land in Chicago for the holiday. Think I'll head to Portillos for some beef then check out the lights in Mt. Greenwood. Anything happening on the south side tonight?

I want the WS title. A lot of you guys despise Ozzie, whom I love. He brought us the title in 2005. His letting those starters go so deep in games was really a good managerial move. Now it's Ricky's turn. WS titles are all that matter. We don't realize how good we have it completing the deal in 05 and not just making the WS then losing.

I agree. These two are different. Once the Sox get good again, we will be a destination for top free agents. I think if Eloy stays healthy he's for real and Moncada and Tim are special young talents. We also have some pitching that is probably going to click at some point and we are gonna start winning and we'll get free agents. The Sox will be popular again.

No comment to those two sentences. That said, thank you to the owner and the mods for their work. I don't think the board has been out of control lately even in the Machado thread. Some people think we truly have a chance at Manny and Harper, others think we've never had an iota of a chance and we're being used by agents. I tend to think we won't get either but I could be mistaken. Cheers. Happy Holidays. Watch "It's a Wonderful Life" or Alastair Sim's Scrooge to get you in the holiday mood. GO SOX!

I don't think that matters a bit. He knows he's the man wherever. I'm just using common sense. The signing of the brother-in-law was masterful by the Sox considering the Sox have made it clear they will pay as much or more than any other team. My only other common sense point is usually players just take the most $$ (Hosmer to the awful Pads, etc).

Common sense tells me his wife would be very upset if they don't take the Chicago offer considering they signed her brother. I mean with money being about the same from wherever they go. The other possibility is Manny just tells his agent to go with the team that offers the most money and years ... period and get back to him when that is finalized.

Good article but Harold's a big boy. He'll be fine. I mean a lot of Hall of Fame selections get panned in the media. It's an easy story/column to diss somebody's election to the Hall. Hopefully the fans will fill the Cell for a ceremony recognizing Harold for this honor this season some game.

I'm glad Teahen got some mention. Boy he was a bad hitter. Why'd you not like Zisk? He hit some roof shots and was pretty much the heart and soul of SouthSide Hitmen. George Bell had to be the only player in baseball history to b**** about playing time during the playoffs. My gosh, that's dysfunctional. I didn't hate the Dybber but hated what he did. Probably cost the White Sox a world series title that year. Yes his blunder was that bad. Hoyt wins Game Five EASILY.

Kotsay stunk. Wow. So did that guy from the University of Nebraska, Erstad. My gosh those two guys were horrible.

Chet Lemon, Ozzie, Konerko, Buehrle, Big Hurt, Baines. Sure I'm forgetting many.

Rios, Clayton, Dunn and Melky. Not sure why I despised them so much. I should be ashamed. Right now in thinking of them I don't feel the same hatred as before.

The Bears are back, baby, and the future looks bright. We got the QB. We got the front office not afraid to make a move. We got a head coach. You read it here first: Bears over Chiefs in Super Bowl, yes this year's Super Bowl.