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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) I've never seen an article that felt so close to an Onion satire piece turn out to be so scary...tough/er times lie ahead before these people just go away. Every day, something more and more outlandish. It's starting to sound like the plot from Designated Survivor. Don't get mad at me for merely pointing out we could be hearing something outlandish each day about the Clintons if the media wanted to go there. They don't ... at this time. My educated guess is they will probably a year into her presidency for about 18 months before gearing up to support her re-election bid. Like Trump, Clintons have a lot of red flags had the media chosen to go that way. Since the FBI decided to save her, it's been all Trump all the time.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) Screaming we're all screwed doesn't accomplish much. There are things we can do, but we have to swallow the fact there is going to be some financial pain for us to build a better future for our kids and the next generation. That being said, the terrible leaders we keep electing will likely do nothing with this "financial pain", and possibly even make things worse than they are today. This is what happens when you elect incompetent people. Ultimately, we have to ask, does suffering this financial pain in the short term actually equate to anything? Or do they squander it and skim money off of it like Chicago did, which took one of the highest overall tax rates (when you combine property, sales, sticker costs, fees, etc.) and squandered it all to the point the City ended up with nothing but a nice lakefront and loads of debt they can't (or won't) repay? If we want to fix this, we have to start by electing competent leaders -- and there are probably less than 10 of them (combined) in the entire House/Senate at this point -- and then start gutting the system as we know it. Raising taxes with the current idiots we have running the country will likely write a law filled with pork and squander every penny of that money before it reaches the system it was meant to fix. f*** it, you're right. We're all screwed. Because I have NO faith the American voters will start electing competent politicians anytime soon. QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) The problem is the politicians don't feel like they can stay in office by enacting these changes, because their terms aren't long enough to see the positive impacts of the temporary pain. It isn't unlike a GM who trades away his farm system because he needs to win now to keep his job. You both make EXCELLENT points! My take is we have to change the system radically in terms of partisanship. And it's impossible to do that EXCEPT if our government allowed/required all government jobs to be filled by one Demo and one Repub. For instance secretary of state (have 2 of 'em; one Demo one Repub). Anybody hired to lead a committee on health care reform (one Demo, one Repub). For instance didn't Bill Clinton put Hillary in charge of health care reform way back when? Nobody wanted to work with her. Obamacare?? Had NO support cause nobody on the Repub side was gonna support it. They are way too selfish. We've got to work TOGETHER and face it. We'll NEVER work together. Like I said earlier the state of Kansas is gonna vote Trump in. We vote Brownback in twice. Cause of the letter R. It's sickening. We CANT cooperate as a country to get things done. And health care is gonna kill us all.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) Stop it. I wasn't talking about Soxtalk. I meant it. You start calling people "pretty" or "beautiful" or "ugly" you are just asking for trouble in America 2016. That's all I meant about that. Like if you saw a person at work and said, 'Hi. You look beautiful today." I think you "might" actually get in trouble with HR. Don't go there. That's all I meant.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) First, stop calling it "free". Second, yes, the system is bad, and becoming worse. Insurance for many is largely useless these days. Now, if you want to have the single payer system conversation, be prepared to be realistic about it, and get ready for some financial pain. Get ready for WAY higher taxes than you pay now. That's the trade off. And I'm talking 50+% for everyone, across the board. And even at those tax rates, I doubt it would cover the expenses necessary to continue care as it is, AND overhaul the entire system. If the government takes over the HC industry, they will have to cap wages, prices and drug prices at all once. Doctors, regardless of their speciality, won't be making 650k per year any longer, and big pharma will see tumbling profits to an insane degree. There will be a lot of hurt and pain for us adults for a long while. Keep in mind the US Govt can't even run the VA, and anyone that says they can is just sticking the head in the sand. The VA is terrible, and it's small fry in comparison to how big this takeover would be. In the end, even if they went to single payer -- and I believe they have too -- it'll be MANY years before anyone reaps the benefits of it... What are we going to do? Nesteggs are gone in one 3 day trip to the hospital. We're all doomed. What do we do??? I'm bipartisan on this. We're all screwed.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) My "new" health insurer for 2016 is dropping from the exchange now and is no longer offering my plan in 2017. Great. Either keep paying more or start finding sub-par doctors for my kids. How can companies drop from the exchange? I thought it was law? Folks ... our health care system is SO BAD that I see one of two solutions. a.) Either go to a government run system where everybody gets free health care (I know, heaven forbid we do such a thing! It will cause more problems; it will take months to see a doctor!) or b.) the new president has to name one Demo and one Republican (how about Carter and McCain or Bill Clinton and Dole) as head of a healtcare committee to get us a system that remains open market but actually works. (I know, fat chance in f***ing hell we can work together on something so important). Folks ... health care is a disaster. We're in trouble as a nation with the current costs, the current Obamacare system as well. See, this issue is why our once great country will never be great again. We CANT go non partisan on this issue. We CANT work together cause we don't work together. And this issue is a downright embarrassment to our country. Our health care system is disgusting. The costs??? Like out of a horror movie. What's one night in the hospital now? 20,000 bucks? What's an Xray or MRI cost? 1,000 bucks?? HELP us Dear Lord, Help us.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Although this is from a year ago, a pretty interesting take on the Drumpf phenomenon. That was interesting. I agree with this line in there: "Similarly, Trump is able to take advantage of the obvious dysfunction of the traditional political system." The wrestling analogy was great. My take has always been people are done with traditional politicians and their say nothing rhetoric. Hence the primary love of Trump and Bernie (til the DNC whacked him and the super delegate thing whacked him). But now that we get closer to Election Day ... even though people want to be done with traditional politicians they are softening their stance since Donald is such a dick in his personal life. It's a bit too much. Like somebody said he's turned into a loudmouth version of Bill Cosby (Cosby is scum but he's been silent as a mouse, not bragging about those misdeeds every day).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Trump set himself up for all these women to come out of the woodwork, whether they are lying or not, he boasted about doing exactly what they are accusing him of doing. If it wasn't such an embarrassment to our country, it actually would be very funny. How can Trump ever be credible? It's one lie after another. He donated to 9/11 charities, except he didn't. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/nyc-audit-finds-n...topstories.html He was boasting not too long ago how he would be maybe the first candidate who made money running for president. I think he may be one of the few who wind up totally ruined by doing it. Yeah, today's story is he mocked Marlie Matlin (sp)'s deafness saying she was retarded when she was on The Apprentice. You guys hate me and blast me for saying Trump is a 1 percenter, an elitist, out there to line his own pockets and nobody else's and rake in as much pleasure as possible, but I think that truly describes who he is. Many (most?) rich f***s are like that. Bill Gates seems to be one who really truly donates a lot to charity and may not be a complete dick. QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 08:06 PM) Is he insinuating what I think he is? via He insinuates all the time whether he thinks a woman is hot enough to bone or not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Except the Braves made the playoffs 14 consecutive years....the White Sox have never even managed to go back to back in their much longer franchise history. And Braves' fans have had a number of seasons to enjoy since that string ended as well. Not to mention two new stadiums in the past 20 years. Boom. This thread blew up early. Can't argue with Caulfield here.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 11:49 AM) They lost 25 more games because they traded a 40 year old Jerry Koosman? That's a bit of a stretch even for you. You'd think they'd have learned and kept Buehrle for the same reason. Mark's style of pitching is what all starters should try to copy. Work fast, move the ball around. I worship Sale but watching Mark pitch was watching a quick-working arteest (artist). Never shoulda let Buehrle go.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) To me, it's another indication they aren't rebuilding. The rotation will be Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Gonzalez, and Shields...and they'll find a way to not make the playoffs again. You are probably right. Would be nice to either fix Shields or get rid of him. I'd say get rid of him. Look at poor Danks. We didn't try to fix him, figured he was toast. It'll be the same with Shields I bet. He's done. That's not a bad top four. We're still going to need a MUCH BETTER bullpen cause except for Sale and Q we'll have to cover the final 3 innings with Rodon, Gonzo and Shields. That's scary cause our bullpen just reeks. It has ever since Joe Morgan opened his mouth and that was a LONG time ago.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) Michelle Obama is actually a better, more effective public speaker than her husband. It's just that it's rare that we actually see her doing it. There was a post on Facebook saying to put "like" if you agree Michelle is the most beautiful classy first Lady ever. I wasn't going to go there and comment either way. In this day and age it might be an insult calling someone beautiful, I'm not sure. I do like her though and I like Barack's personality very much. Just not his work.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) Greg, I appreciate your honest reply. While I do believe Trump winning is unlikely, there have been "unlikely" events that have occurred in history that have resulted in terrible things. Many of those events occurred because people sat on the sidelines and didnt ever believe "it could get that bad." Who knows what will happen with Hillary, but I believe it likely will be the status quo. Which in reality, is all we need. There is something fundamentally broken in Congress, where "compromise" has become a bad thing. Our country is being taken over by the extreme, because they have the loudest voices, they are the ones that show up no matter. So we end up pandering to them, in a sick cycle where the minority extreme dictates the course for everyone. Every issue isnt some sort of end all war, but thats what they make it. Instead of starting with "What can we agree on?" they start with "we will never give in." They would rather destroy everything than come up with a solution that may require a small sacrifice by both sides. As to how did the Republican's let it get there? Because they didnt think Trump really could do it. So some sat on the sidelines, some of them voted for Trump out of protest and maybe even some voted for Trump in an attempt to cripple the Republican's chances in the general election. But again, instead of the Republican candidates sacrificing themselves, they all went for their own glory. That is, until it was too late. Because what they never predicted was that the minority extreme, would show up. And while the rest of the Republican field split all of their votes among an insane amount of candidates, the extreme all went for Trump. So here we are. And I am not going to tell anyone how to vote. The greatness and terribleness of a democracy/republic is that we are all entitled to vote for whoever we want for whatever reason we want. All I can say is that not standing up to evil, is evil. For thousands of years humans have been trampled and destroyed so that we could have the privilege of living in this nation and it is extremely offensive that people of this country parade around signs saying "Make America great again." Because the underlying implication is that somehow America was better when not everyone was equal, when there were Americans struggling to have the same rights just because of their race, gender, religion, orientation. To me there is nothing great to go back to. All we can do is try and create a country where the lowest of the low have a chance to become the highest of the high. That may mean that we have to give up something, that we have to pay taxes that are "unfair", that some people may "game" the system. But so what, nothing is ever truly "even" or really "fair." But at least we live in a country where I am not going to worry that I will wake up tonight with a black hood coming down over my face, because I dared to disagree, because I am not one of the "majority." And there is no price that can be put on that. Well you are making very good points. That is probably a good point that my vote of Ventura is not making sure (in theory cause Kansas will vote Republican no matter what) evil stays out of the White House. As much as I despise Hillary I do have to concede she is not "evil" in the true sense of the word. Like you said it is more apt to be status quo which I happen to not like (I dont like what have happened to my medical benefits, the economy and buddies getting laid off, what I deem racial problems and problems with police, etc.) but status quo like you said is OK compared to a truly evil man becoming president. You do make good points. If I re-read your post 1,000 times I could start to hate Hillary less I would think. I like your comments on gridlock in Congress as well. I don't like what's happened and I appreciate your statements on that subject as well. QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) Greg, Here is the biggest problem. If you really read what most of us have said, we agree with a lot of this. There HAVE not been a ton of posts actually supporting Hillary Clinton. It's been more bashing her opponent, which is justified. You're right. This election is between a .050 hitter and a .150 hitter. It's unacceptable. But it is what it is. You can try and be cute and talk about Jesse Ventura, but it means nothing. Congrats, your vote will mean nothing. Are you looking for praise from everyone? I just don't know why you crave negative Hillary articles so badly. You see what you want to see, and don't take anything else in. We pile on because you're no different than a talking head on CNN that's pulling for one side. Someone will present a rational point to a claim, and your response didn't hear any of it, just rehashed the same old argument you've been making for months. Why even have the discussion if you aren't going to listen? Again, actually read what people write, and stop getting all your news from talk radio and right-wing conservatives. Expand your base, look at things for all angles. You'll hear a lot of different opinions, not just what Rush and Lumpy Hannity have to say... That's a good post as well. I do agree there have not been a lot of posts supporting Hillary, most bashing the other side. I guess I would prefer Soxtalkers actually show me WHY they support Hillary. And what makes them happy she's to become President besides hatred of Trump. But you make good points as well. Its not as if many Soxtalkers have flat out said, "I'm choosing the lesser of the two evils." And you are right about me and Jesse V. It does sadden me my vote in that scenario means nothing. I guess I can take solace in the fact it truly won't matter in this goshforsaken political state of Kansas where Trump will win easily cause of the R. QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Until a couple of years ago, Hillary Clinton was recognized by most people as an ordinary Democratic politician with pretty standard Democratic positions on most issues, and a public voting record that backs this up. The criticism of her from the left was mainly her hawkishness on foreign policy (the main reason she lost the primary to Obama) and some black liberals had started going after her for 90s era "tough on crime" laws that significantly increased the prison population, and some hard feelings from how she ran her campaign against Obama in 2008. Again, this is pretty ordinary politician stuff. The vast majority of the right's criticism of her was nonsensical conspiracy theories that nobody took seriously outside of talk radio and some Fox News pundits. Then she announced she was running for president (actually very low key, she just released a video where she was barely even the focus) and this started to change. The left's criticism of her got really exaggerated and she turned into this red-handed racist Lady Macbeth who is the most corrupt political figure in American history, who is eager to sell everyone out to the banks and send every black person to prison. Bernie Sanders started gaining momentum on her and then because they really wanted to grasp onto any reason to vote against her, many of his supporters started co-opting right-wing talking points against her, so for the first time you had liberals talking about Benghazi, Vince Foster, murder conspiracies, other fake scandals, and obsessed with e-mails. The Wikileaks stuff just makes it worse, because almost nobody ever actually reads those in full context, so they will see whatever they want to see in them. That's how we got to where we are now. I'm really tired of hearing about it, honestly. I'm tired of false equivalences made between Clinton and Trump. Clinton has thousands and thousands of words about policy you're free to scrutinize but are otherwise serious policy proposals, Trump might be the single worst presidential nominee this country has ever produced who doesn't even have actual plans for the very little policy he actually DOES propose. They're not the same. The choice isn't hard. Your choices are a run-of-the-mill Democrat and an insane person. That's another pretty good post. My contention has been Trump stands no chance so the real issue is how bad is Hillary Clinton going to be? These were good posts. I can't argue them much at all. I give them all A's. I will not end this thread blasting her. I do think the next couple weeks before the election could really be ugly. I'm not looking forward to it.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) Multiple women come out of the woodwork accusing Bill Cosby of rape. Result? Life, reputation and career ruined. Multiple women come out of the woodwork accusing Donald Trump of sexual assault/rape. Result? Reasonable shot to be the next POTUS. What the f*** is wrong with our country? And I am in no way implying that Cosby is getting a raw deal. He has no shot to be president, come on. And these allegations could wind up being Cosby-like if anybody decides to press charges/sue after all these years. Remember the Cosby case had somebody sue I believe. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) He has no shot at being President. Honestly the one thing this has done long term is ruin his brand. In the long term, he is going to see some pretty big financial problems because a lot of the world isn't going to want to be associated with him. Exactly. After the election, if the sexual allegations thing doesn't explode in formal charges and get very very ugly (worse than now) he'll remain on TV a lot. I'm sure he'll keep his millions but he's done.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 05:38 AM) Thanks, I think? lol Greg, We have both been on this board a long time, and I probably have read a good majority of your posts. I actually think that you are probably and honest and decent person. The problem is that you seem to want to be misinformed. When you are presented with legitimate facts and arguments, you just dont seem to want to actually recognize them. I am not sure why you want to be misinformed, but I do really think that you want what is best for America, not necessarily what is best for yourself, and that is admirable. That being said, I am going to give this a try and we shall see where we get. No one is giving Hillary a pass, no one. But the problem is that in our current system there are 2 legitimate choices for President (I voted for Kronos) but anyways, Hillary won the Democratic primary. I personally did not vote in the Primary, I really wasnt a fan of Hillary or Bernie. If you would have put my feet to the fire and made me vote, I likely would have for Hillary. Not because she is some saint, but because when given the choice of mediocre and terrible, you always vote mediocre. Since this is a sports board, Ill compare it to baseball. If you have 2 batters to pick from and 1 hits .050 and 1 hits .150 I am going to pick the one who hits .150. Not because I think that they are great, but because they are better than the other choice. As to the Bill Clinton stuff. Its nonsense, serious nonsense. I may not be the oldest person in the world, but I can not remember 1 time where the potential first lady and her life were paraded as a part of a campaign. I dont know if Michelle slept with a 100 guys, all I know about Laura Bush is that she was a librarian. Hillary is not Bill, and there is no credible evidence that Hillary even knew what was going on. Further more, the part that really is crazy, is that Trump DEFENDED Clinton. Saying that none of those accusers were credible. Now years later when it suits him, all of a sudden Trump believes them? Its purely self motivated, he could care less about those women. He is just deflecting and to not recognize that at this point is willful ignorance. As to your last paragraph. The country cant rally around a single person until the country gets its (and I hate saying this but I cant think of a better word) soul back. Its cliche, but its time we remember who we are. This is the land of the free, this is the country that was built on: And what so many Americans have forgotten, is that we were all once the "Mexican" the "Black" the "Jew" the "Italian" who someone else didnt want to come here, because they wanted to selfishly keep this country for themselves. And on the backs of all of these unwanted people we created the greatest country that has ever existed. The country that defeated the Nazis, the country who forgave the Marshall loans. The country who has sacrificed as much, if not more, than any one else in the hope that everyone can enjoy the freedom that so many Americans take for granted. So excuse me if I get offended by Trump and anyone who wants to blame the "others" because my family was once the people that were not welcome. My people were the ones who left Russia, who left Italy, who left Ireland. They were Catholics, they were Jews, they were Protestants, and they all left hoping that they would find a place where they could be free to live their lives and not worry that one day their business would be closed or they would be killed for just being different. Lets look at Hillary in the worst possible light. She made bad decisions. Anyone who cant admit that theyve made a bad decision is a liar. But at least Hillary isnt trying to strip away what makes this country great. Maybe that means I have to support a less than ideal candidate, but I am only here because someone that I never met defended my families right to come to this country. And I will not let that kindness be forgotten. Its not always necessary to rally around something great. Sometimes its good enough to rally against something terrible. Trump is something terrible. The road to xenophobic fascism is paved by the people who let it happen. Promises of a better economy, more jobs, a better life. These are all promises that have been made on the backs of "others" before. This isnt for me, this is for all of the Americans who sacrificed for me over the last 200+ years. This is for the person who argued against keeping out immigrants when it wasnt socially acceptable, for the person who stood against slavery, for the person who argued that women should vote. And on a personal level, this is for my great Uncle (a man I never knew), who was a first generation Italian immigrant, who died on D-Day, fighting for our freedom. You want something to rally around, rally around that. Because we dont need some "leader" or "President" to rally around, all we need is our ideals, our goodness. We need to rally around ourselves. Because America is great, not because of our wealth, but because of the idea that we can all be who we want to be. That we shouldnt have to fear that being who we are is going to result in something bad happening. And if that isnt good enough, then you really werent an American to begin with. Well, that's a good post. I do like these lines the best ... "The country cant rally around a single person until the country gets its (and I hate saying this but I cant think of a better word) soul back. Its cliche, but its time we remember who we are. This is the land of the free, this is the country that was built on" You make many good points obviously. I guess my "problem" is I have found it difficult to choose the .150 hitter over the .050 hitter. My brain has more been to attack the .150 hitter because I like her as much as I liked Rios. But you do make good points. You said: "Its not always necessary to rally around something great. Sometimes its good enough to rally against something terrible. Trump is something terrible." Those are three good sentences to ponder. My problem is I tend to think of Hillary as terrible as well, albeit not as bad as Trump. I like your post .I just have difficulty in that I want to diss and trash both candidates and have not been able to grasp your admirable concept that "sometimes it's good enough to rally against something terrible." I believe it's partly because I know there's no way in hell voters will elect Trump. I don't consider his being elected a real possibility, hence again, it is easy for me to focus on Hillary who I consider evil. I guess I will conclude by saying I hope you are right about Hillary as you seem to suggest she's actually not that bad. I will conclude by saying I never thought a presidential election could be THIS out of control in terms of so little caring about the issues (at least in the media). Right now, the past week and up to election day it is and will continue to be all about finding and quoting women who Trump attacked. The Stern interviews have been out there so long ... it's been known he was head of the beauty pageant for so long ... why didn't this stuff get exposed during Republican primary season when the Republicans might have actually nominated somebody presentable like Kasich?

Great game tonight. Lot of gutsy moves with the bullpen there by the Dodgers. I like the Cubs in four or five however. The home field means a lot. Night games mean the ball won't be flying out of Wrigley. Cubs in their first WS since 1945. Don't like Rich Hill's chances. Kershaw obviously could beat anybody.

Finally a negative article about Hillary. I wish she and Trump would both drop out and see what we did as a country to pick a president we can rally around. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/rel...eaks/index.html

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 03:26 AM) greggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg why do you do do this Because I just can't stand people giving crooked Hillary a free pass just because Trump is scum. These 2 people should each be judged and Hillary is not worthy of the office either. QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 03:30 AM) For the millionth time, BILL CLINTON ISN'T f***ING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! Are you serious? He is a former president and will be living in the White House again. We should at least hear about all his scandals as well and how Hillary relates to them.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) First of all, the election has just started, with the main day a few weeks away. But more importantly, what evidence do you have of "rigging in this election"? Uh, Bernie Sanders might have something to say about the rigged election as well as Trump. QUOTE (brett05 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) Deny it all you wish Don't let them bother you. You have the right to say it's rigged. Right now we're ONLY hearing about Trump being a sleazeball and NOTHING about Bill Clinton. Can you imagine if they were trying to find women Bill has had?

Wall Street Journal goes after Hillary. Like I said before I can understand all the Trump hate. He is a slimeball obviously. But I am so surprised so many of you actually like Hillary. It just floors me. Why the hell would you support her? You can despise Trump and still not vote for Hillary, you know?? There are write in candidates available like Jesse Ventura. Hell you could even write in Michelle Obama. She seems like a helluva smart, intelligent person without the baggage of a Hillary fricking Clinton, who in another point of time, could be in jail right now. http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-press-buri...sins-1476401308

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 05:47 AM) They already did background and checked with people they told their stories to at the time they happened. It's multiple independent women all alleging the same behavior. Plus, you know, it's the exact behavior Trump himself bragged about. You are probably right, Strange.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 01:18 AM) While we are talking crazy here.....All this Putin stuff floating around is hogwash right? I just read an article that some Russian higher-up says if Clinton is elected there will be nuclear war sooner rather than later. Interesting.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 05:33 AM) Thank god the First Amendment exists. Yes but there was no time to check out these women who were/are coming forward. There's always the chance Trump could win lawsuits if the pieces fall the right way. I guess the Cosby case has proven the media organizations will be OK, however. I don't think Cosby has gone after any outlets for libel. I was saying months ago Donald should have dropped out. Just said the system was rigged and he'd had it. With his past as a ruthless rich guy, this stuff was bound to come out. s***, just the fact he was willing to go on Stern dozens of times in his life and play along with Howard with sex banter, showed in itself this stuff would all come back to devour his reputation. If Donald stays in the race, he has to go on the Bill Clinton attack. Just keep alleging Bill is a womanizer and how come no equal scruitiny of Bill.

Hmmm like I said in the other thread, better prepare for lawsuits, media outlets. ... this he-said she said stuff is tricky. Little surprised in this day and age the media companies will risk the lawsuit over he said/she said. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/media/new-...lawsuit-threat/

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 05:09 AM) You have every right to be worried about the upcoming Hillary presidency, I know I am. You just can't talk about it publicly because Trump is such an awful person, that's all that matters. Exactly, but if you read my posts you'd see I predicted this. As we got to crunch time, near the election, that's when the media unleashes its fury vs. the Republican. The news organizations better be careful. Mr. Trump will be suing a lot of people in he said/she said cases. Also, Bill Clinton might need to worry a bit say six months AFTER the coronation/election. The media may go after Bill and his past transgressions once Hillary is safely in the Oval Office. The first two years of her coronation might be fair game for Bill as she doesn't have to win again until 2020. A few years to mess around looking at Bill's past before getting on the Hillary bandwagon again as the 2020 election nears. Again, this he-said/she said stuff is touchy. Little surprised the media attorneys are letting them run with this against a rich person like Trump. I know if a person says something there's "probably" no cause for a successful lawsuit, but then again, if these people making the allegations turn out to be wacky unreliable people, a judge might side with Trump in a lawsuit for recklessness.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 04:25 AM) Greg is totally cool with a Trump presidency. I'm not voting for him and that's a fact. So I can't be too cool with it. I do think we're doomed as a country either way. Eight years of Hillary is not good. And you know who I think takes over after her. I'm very worried about our economy.