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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 06:37 PM) This is a real conundrum. Laroche is a gold glove 1Bman. Abreu has gotten better and to his credit works on his defense. Abreu would benefit from more time at DH to keep his legs in shape, but his physical health may be better each year. I don't know for sure and not certain we have heard much about that issue to completely explain his ankle, foot or leg issues. As part of other moves I can see Laroche going back to a NL team and Cabrera being the DH. But, you have to have those new pieces ready to be put in place. But, on the other hand Laroche is not going to just roll over because of a bad year. He is committed to improve in 2016. It could be real good for the Sox. Dunn didn't give up it's just that he struck out as much as he hit the ball it seemed even when he hit 40 homers. I guess that scenario could be Laroche also and it's just what you are prepared to accept with those homers, LaRoche is just too old to be productive anymore. Like you said, he can field, but Sox are committed to Abreu at first. LaRoche's fielding DOES NOT MATTER as long as he's with the Sox. One thing is for sure, if LaRoche EVER bats against a lefty, Robin is a fool. Automatic outs do not help you win and he's not getting any hits off lefties. If he puts the ball in play it's an easy out because of the shift and usually he'll not put it in play.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) No way 4 years gets it done. If anything it will be 5 years with a buyout. I believe you but that's ridiculous for a player like Gordon. Man, NFL teams have it made. They get to cut guys and those 8 year deals mean nothing. They don't have to pay up like baseball teams do. Think of all the guys the Sox would have just cut. LaRoche, Dunn, Melky, Rios.

Sox do always seem to get good offseason press. Is there any proof the Sox are intent on acqually replacing Avi in right? Or LaRoche at DH?

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) The Republicans better nominate someone that has a bloody chance. Nobody has a chance. Say what you want about the Democrats, they know how to dominate Presidential elections. Hillary is a lock. Bernie is playing nice so he can be the VEEP. He'd actually be pretty perfect. People have heard of him and he's kind of boring. He'd fit in perfectly in that role of standing up for Hilly. I tell you, Obama is pretty likeable and he couldn't work with Congress. Good luck to Hillary. Those Repubs aren't going to want to help her out AT ALL.

I'm guessing 15 million for four years would get it done for Gordon if there really isn't much of a market. If this guy can get five years, his agent is the best in the history of the world. He's too old for a five year deal. I bet the Royals don't go higher than 15. I bet Sox at 16 mill a year for four years with team option would get it done.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 07:09 AM) So he's a bigoted, ignorant, lunatic but since he's upfront about it it's fine? You are exaggerating. Bigoted? He employs people of all sexes and races. Ignorant? Hardly. What's wrong with keeping our enemies out? I for one don't want to be a victim of Isis when some Isis asshole busts into my movie theatre or sporting event. Yeah it's good he's outspoken and upfront. Like I said before, people like Hilly hide their real personalities. Trump is a brash rich f*** pretty much. But I'm willing to give him a shot over the same ol same ol. He is an American you know? He's patriotic.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 05:06 AM) For the love of God, can someone please ban this troll? What is your problem? Anything goes in the Filibuster. I'm sick of being called a troll BTW. I have never ever called anybody a name on here. I take hits all the time. It's like you are not allowed to call anybody names unless his name is Greg. QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 05:13 AM) This is Hitler-speak right here, jesus f***ing christ. What do we have to lose voting in Trump? Everything. He feeds on people's fear and is openly admitting to wanting to take freedoms away from an entire following of a religion. That right there is Hitler 2.0, and it's not an exaggeration. He just might fix the economy and bring back some pride in America. Again, Hitler-speak. Hey he might bring some jobs back!! He's going to make Germany a proud nation again! But he's also going to bring in hate, fear and prejudice against a mass population...Ah those damn Muslims, without them we wouldn't have any problems in this down but great nation. America has not been this defeatest in a long long time. Greg, you are the largest defeatest on this entire site, and it's not even close. No money available for the little guy; all going to the top 2 percent. Sure this is partly right, so you want to elect a guy in the top 2% who acts terribly against those not in the 2%???? Hitler speak? Cmon. Trump is a successful American businessman, not Hitler for gosh sakes. Hitler speak? Cmon. That's pretty rude. Trump has made it big in America and maybe he'll get the economy turned around. You know a lot of people don't like Hilly's personality either. She may hide it better but it's been well documented what kind of person she is. Not pretty. Where there's smoke there's fire and people who have worked for Hilly despise Hilly. Don't act like she is a stellar person and Trump a total chump. As far as your final point about the 2 percent. How the heck do you know Trump wants to keep the little guy poor? Again ... his main competition, Hillary isn't exactly poor. Bottom line? Trump at least doesn't try to hide his brash personality. Hillary is just as brash. Have you read the stuff she's said to the lowly people who worked under her and to secret service agents? My current faves: 1.) Trump. 2.) Bernie. 3.) Carson.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 04:10 AM) Or the fact that only about 6 to 8% of the voting public is backing him. Roughly equivalent to the number who believe the moon landings were faked. Could be that too. What do we have to lose voting in Trump? Politics thoroughly sucks and he'd knock the political world on its butt. Presidents can't do much anyway. He just might fix the economy and bring back some pride in America. America has not been this defeatest in a long long time. People are down on everything right now except their own families. No money available for the little guy; all going to the top 2 percent. You think Hillary is gonna get us out of this malaise? Hillary? Give Trump a shot, folks.

All I know is whenever I send in a claim for anything -- dental, medical, vision they never pay squat. I assume our company, United, sucks. It's the one I get at work.

Alexei is a proven big leaguer. Give him a chance to be the anchor of this new infield. Saladino, sorry, he's not the answer. I'd accept him as a super sub however.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) I should know better than to read these threads, nothing but unfounded negativity. I am absolutely fired up about this trade and there is more on the horizon. The Sox are gonna be nasty this season. Geez, it's not been that negative. Just because some of us question sending 3 big leaguers for 1 as possibly being an overpay doesn't mean we don't like the idea of Frazier. You must want 100 percent gung-ho-ism about this deal. QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) It's truly amazing to me how anyone could be down about this trade. Most who don't like it believe Trayce will turn into a superstar or that Frazier will turn into Josh Fields. Those 3 prospects we traded all will be in the big leagues this year. It's more than human nature to be a bit concerned about an NL slugger coming over to the AL. Not down about the trade, but not doing cartwheels. We've been there and been burned before.

This is funny. Last night on CNN they said Obama had 40 percent approval rating, really low. Makes me laugh again because if he could run again he'd win in a landsllide. The liberal, Democrat media occasionally will mention how unpopular Obama is but oh my gosh when it was near election time, it was Obama mania all the time, every single day. Cmon, folks. If he could run again he'd win in such a landslide. This country is Obama-crazy and Hillary crazy and pure Democrat crazy.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) There have been a few CBB writers that have called in to the Score that have said he did this so Gard would get it, and Alvarez isnt really too keen on giving it to Gard. He planned on retiring over the summer and letting Gard have it but Alvarez said he wanted to do a coaching search so Bo did this. Dont know how true it is, just what I have heard That's pretty cool if Bo is doing that for a guy he thinks can do the job. Barry seems like he'd be a pretty tough AD to work for and maybe Bo really is sticking it to him. Just speculation here.

Wait and see. If Frazier hits 35 home runs and has a glove that isn't Gillaspie-like chances are very very good the Sox win the trade. Somebody makes a great point on here. We get Frazier two years. So it makes no sense to not try to win it now (even during the Royals' current window). That means Lexi should be signed at ss. He's a playoff caliber shortstop. And add Gordon or Upton (if that is really a possibility?) and this team with its pitching staff is a real contender. It'd be so much a contender Robin would have to be let go by May 15 if the Sox were six or more games out. But as far as the trade? We'll not know until we see if Frazier mashes on the SouthSide or sucks in the AL like LaRoche/Dunn.

I'd take a.) Gordon. b) Upton. c.) Ces.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:53 PM) Yes they are fact. Trayce never hit well in the minors and wont in the majors. He's Brian Anderson with a much worse bat. Micah cannot field, never really has and has looked horrible. He also has health issues. Montas could be a nice setup guy though. You have two sub-level MLB guys maybe and a pen guy. LOL. Maybe I missed it. Has everybody been this down on Trayce? I'll leave this thread for a while and see what gets written before I get in trouble. I never thought I'd be portrayed as hating Frazier deal. I WANTED Frazier and got him. Now I want Lexi and infield will be amazing with defensive replacements/fill ins around in Saladino and/or Sanchez. An actual good bench.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:47 PM) Are you sure you watched baseball? Everybody knows what Trayce and Micah were. Trayce was a guy with a big name and Micah was kind of a disappointment. and for the 400th time Major League Baseball Salary Cap Infinite Dollars "Everybody?" There's a good chance Trayce and Micah will be playing major roles on big league teams this season. I wanted Frazier. I got Frazier. But I don't know why I'm the bad guy for merely suggesting the Sox overpaid. Would you do the Shark trade all over again? I wouldn't. I'm not anti Sox or anti Frazier. I WANTED Frazier. I could be wrong. Maybe it took all 3 of those specific names to get Frazier. Why say without a doubt, unequivocally, this is the greatest thing to ever take place? I'm thrilled we got Frazier and the Lawrie/Frazier duo figure to spice up the offensive potential of the infield so much. Add Lexi and I'd buy season tickets if I lived in Chicago. It'd be worth the risk that the team is a contender (with bounceback years from Melky, LaRoche, the new catcher duo crucial to playoffs).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:46 PM) I highly disagree. Sox were going to offer Samardzija a huge extension before last season. Sox have 35 million coming off the books next season (LaRoche, Danks, Avila, Navarro), they can easily backload a deal to make it fit this season. Example, the SF Giants are paying Samardzija 8 million this year and 18+ after that. Well if Hahn talks Jerry into signing Gordon or Upton, very cool. I don't see it but if you are right, they will sell a TON of season tickets now. Frazier, Lawrie, Upton/Gordon to go with Abreu on paper are some big bats for the tiny Cell.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:40 PM) Please stop, Greg. Stop what? I'll make my posts less antagonistic on this if you think they are, but Sox aren't going to be abe to sign a Gordon or Upton or Cespedes. They don't have the $$ for that. If I'm wrong there, I'll be the biggest Hahn fan forever. Right now, I want Lexi and want Avi to turn into Little Miggy. What's wrong with that take? I'm just $aying a fan is dreaming if they think we can sign one of those 3. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) Trayce cant hit, Michah cant field or stay healthy. Montas could be a pen arm. Thats why your responses are off. Overvaluing these players is pretty strange. Rock, you make your statements like they are 100 percent fact. I feel I've been reasonable in my assessment of what I see as an overpay. I already said I want Frazier and Sox need Frazier. I could counter your first sentence with Trayce can field and he looked like a guy who could hit; Micah has always been considered a great prospect though his glove was thoroughly disappointing in his one stint with the Sox and Montas throws 100 and is supposed to be a certain big leaguer.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Yep. And just two nights ago he proposed trading Rodon for Frazier. Can you find my actual post on Rodon for Frazier? I'll man up to it if I said it but my posts get turned around ALOT on here and I don't remember ever making a proposal for Frazier officially. Like fathom said if Ethier had also been in this deal I'd have been very happy with it. I just think we ALWAYS overpay.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) Same. I think Upton, Gordon, Cespedes make most sense for this team in that order. Cmon SoxPride, you know better than this. We made our big free agent signing a year ago. Melky. Sox cannot afford to sign any of those three guys. I pray we sign Lexi right now and hope like heck Avi turns into mini Miggy like he was suppposed to.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:08 PM) For an all star third baseman, this was not overpay. Montas, a bullpen guy with promise. Trayce, almost assuredly a 4th outfielder. Micah, a second baseman who can't field and his bat is questionable. This is overpay(!)?? We'll see. I happen to think all three players we gave up are certain big leaguers. It's OK. Sox needed to get Frazier. Without him the infield completely would have blown (on paper). Now it has a chance to be contender worthy. We'll see what happens. But unless you drink Koolaid all the time, it's ok to be "concerned" of an overpay. Frazier is an NL guy. How can a Sox fan not be a tad concerned he's another Dunn/LaRoche? Trayce is a STAR defensive player. He's AMAZING with the glove. Micah still could be special. He could be. Montas could be special. He could be. Don't tell us this is a slam dunk great trade yet. I happen to believe the Sox totally overpaid for Shark and overpaid in this deal. However, I will take the deal because it did not appear Micah or Trayce would have started for this team this upcoming season anyway and the team ON PAPER is currently better than last year's following this deal. Sorry some of us don't drink the Koolaid after Dunn/LaRoche. I am hopeful though and I was major in favor of acquiring Frazier.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:19 PM) If they get Ethier and Fraizer for Montas/Micah/Trayce, that's a heck of a deal Exactly. But Sox didn't get Ethier as well. Sox overpaid IMO. It's all up to Frazier to excel and shut up the people like me who said they overpaid. QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:37 PM) Frazier for those 3 guys seems like a trade proposal we'd make on here and everyone would say the Reds wouldn't do that I don't know about that. You could look at it the other way. Trayce, Micah and Montas all project to be certain big-league players. Kind of a steep price to pay. QUOTE (longshot7 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) He's down on the deal because he's a typical Sox fan, like many on here. I don't know why this is, but we love to s*** on almost everything the front office does. We're not down on it. I'm thinking the infield will be awesome (on paper) if we can re-sign Lexi. Some people like me just think we overpaid again. QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) He's an all star. We have someone to root for in home run derby. Meanwhile, the team and org. got worse. The Sox had stabilized 3B. The weaknesses were OF defense and a mediocre bullpen. So what did they do? Traded a OF who plays impeccable D and hit nearly .900 OPS. Brilliant! They traded a pitcher who could have been an actual stopper, of which there is exactly one. They cry about lack of hitting, so they traded an IF who can hit!!!! Oh, and they crowded out yet another young IF. 2B wasn't an issue. We had great D there from a YOUNG player (which, I know, is a negative on the Sox). This org's disdain for young players is beyond belief. The irony of course is that at least 2 of those guys, if not all 3, will make the 92 win Dodgers 25 man. But they weren't good enough for the 25 man of Robbie and Cooper's 76 win Sox. Good post except for the fact our infield was looking shaky with Lawrie, Saladino, Sanchez, Abreu the likely infield. Now it's much better with one swoop of Frazier. You have to admit the infield figures to be much more productive with this one trade. QUOTE (venom4789 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:28 PM) How do people not like this deal. We kept fulmer and anderson. Micah wouldnt have started or played for us even if we didnt get lawrie. Trayce is a fourth outfielder and montas may be decent. We upgraded a lot at third. The people mad arr probaly the same people mad about us trading seimen last year. Even though shark was bad i would take a comp pick any day for what we sent to oakland. We're concerned (not mad) because it appears the Sox overpaid as they did in the Shark deal.

Haven't read the thread yet but I will shortly. Well, Hahn is thinking like me and others. With Frazier, the infield changes so much if we re-sign Lexi. It'll be Frazier, Lexi, Lawrie and Abreu. ON PAPER, excellent. Very sad to lose Trayce, Micah and Montas. Once again we overpaid. I realize I got what I wanted (if we re-sign Lexi; ss will be a major weakness if Saladino is there). I did get what I wanted but wow, the overpay! Final comment: I know the Sox are trying now; I realize the lineup is probably worth seeing in person, buying season tickets now (if we re-sign Lexi on the cheap), but it's now up to Frazier to not be the latest NL player to SUCK in a Sox jersey. And if Frazier does suck beyond belief, even though the trade seems reasonable, Hahn should pay with his job. The FO has to get this stuff right and Sox just gave up three TOP prospects for this guy. He MUST not pull a Dunn or pull a LaRoche. He must excel or Hahn must go. Please sign Lexi now for one year and an option.

Is Barry Hinson popular yet? How are they doing this year?