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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 2, 2013 -> 09:03 PM) Forget assuming that they want to win. These guys, these men, who have played this game their entire careers, whose paychecks and happiness are determined by whether or not they win games, who only take 21 days off of going into work over 7-8 month period of time, who have spent their entire lives playing this game to reach the pinnacle. Forget assuming they want to win. WE WANT TO SEE THEM WANT TO WIN. As if you can see that someone wants to win. I saw Paul Konerko want to win in game 2 of the World Series in 2005, I saw Scott Podsednik want to win in game 2 of the World Series, I saw Freddy Garcia want to win in game 4, I saw Juan Uribe want to win in game 4. I saw Jim Thome and John Danks want to win in 2008. I SAW BRIAN f***ING ANDERSON want to win in 2008. No, when these guys lose, it's not because the other guys had more talent, or they were worn down, or plagued by injuries, or mismanaged, IT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SHOW THAT THEY WANTED TO WIN. (kinda like when AJ Pierzynski was watching the U of Florida football game after a game at Fenway park in 2009 in which the Sox got destroyed, a streak in which the Sox went like 2-8 and completely ruined their chances at winning a division title) I got no problem with AJ watching that game on TV. s***, he coulda been racing back to the hotel to watch porn or race back to the hotel bar. He was in the clubhouse doing what he wanted to do after a game. I don't care about an incident like that. I just would prefer to have some real baseball players like AJ on my favorite team. Name players who can back it up.

Who would have ever thought Floyd, Danks and Peavy would all be out in the same season? What is happening to baseball pitchers?? Are 10-year careers in the future going to be nonexistent? Are baseball pitchers careers going to be 4-5 year windows of excellence, then surgery, then mop up duty til nobody offers you a contract (unless you are a lefty?)

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:50 PM) I have a strong feeling you're wrong Why? I put him in the class of "good pitcher" right now and after sitting out the rest of this season I think there's a very good chance he becomes the Jon Garland of the past many seasons. Just there. Certainly no better than a Guthrie or Chen. One of those types.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 2, 2013 -> 05:45 AM) Without AJ we're down 0-2 to the Angels going back to SoCal in the ALCS. Without AJ our pitchers may not have thrown almost 5 complete games in a row. sit down. Yes sir! Nice reminder! QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 2, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Wow. So quick to turn on the guy. AJ does what he can to help his team - if he stuck his elbow out to get on base, so be it. No big f***ing deal. The guy rocks. Man, I wish we had more guys like AJ on the Sox team. Now and in past seasons. He's truly the only guy (I can think of) that has done noticeable things (like the dropped third strike against the Angels, running to first exactly when he did; purposely getting hit to get on base) just to help the team win. I'm sure there are others but with AJ, you can just see how much he wants to win. Who gives a f*** if he's an asshole in the clubhouse or in bars? There are plenty of those type guys in baseball. I think the Sox need more of those type guys.

I have a sneaky feeling we've heard the last of an effective Gavin Floyd. Man, how pitchers come and go in modern baseball.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) But who has an injury you can even remotely pin on playing too much last year? Floyd actually pitched fewer innings than any year he was in the White Sox rotation. Beckham broke a bone. Viciedo pulled an oblique. Sanchez and Keppinger weren't even White Sox. Danks injury certainly wasn't a result of Robin running him into the ground. Septimo hardly pitched for the White Sox. Facts. Nice job of supplying facts over myth. Who was fathom talking about then?

QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:28 PM) Tell that to Mark Prior. Well, if this is overuse that people are implying with Peavy, that's also on Peavy. He demands to stay in games basically.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) Well pushing a young bullpen and young starters and almost never using the bench hurts and that's kind of on Robin. Cmon. I don't think the manager can be blamed for injuries. QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:13 PM) Ozzie used his bench all the time and people hated it. He also let his starters stay in the learn, take their lumps, and he let his relievers face both sides of the plate and work 2-3 inning stints whether they had the ability to do it or not. People hated that too. Bottom line: bad team = put it on the manager, coaching staff, etc. Personally I think Robin has done just fine. No chicken stew when all you got is chicken poo. How true. People hated those things you mentioned about Ozzie, definitely, the Sunday lineup, etc. QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:15 PM) Sale yes, but it seemed they pushed Peavy pretty hard last year. He was 5th in innings pitched. With that said, hopefully this is just a minor issue (I assume it is), and he'll be able to start again soon. Gavin's injury on the other hand..... Peavy pushed himself hard. He wanted to kill when it appeared he might be taken out of a game. That said, who knows? We do know that unless this is a fluke, back spasms are not good. For him to miss a start, wow, they must be really painful.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ May 2, 2013 -> 03:15 AM) Sox legend with swing-at-everything inflated OBP and little defensive value Sometimes circumstances make legends out of guys that on their own were only solid/OK I'm speechless if the devaluation of AJP's career with the Sox has already begun. Wow.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 2, 2013 -> 03:02 AM) Maybe the great Sox legend wasn't very liked in the clubhouse? Maybe our clubhouse has a bunch of prima donnas if that's the case and they can't handle a prick who likes to win.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 2, 2013 -> 03:05 AM) "Sox legend"? AJ was very good with us, he was an integral part of helping us to win the World Series in 2005...but legend is really pushing it. That word is reserved for guys like Shoeless Joe Jackson, Nellie Fox, Aparicio, etc. But wasn't Sean Tracey the one who was ordered to hit someone with the Rangers by Ozzie? Or was that Garland, and he failed to do it...? Can't remember now. You guys slay me. AJP does all that great s*** to help us win the title in 2005 like the great play against the Angels and now that he's wearing another jersey you like seeing the Sox throw at him. There's a good chance when we all die, AJP will be a member of the only Sox team that won it all in our lifetimes.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 2, 2013 -> 03:00 AM) I applaud him for it. Why? Good job, Sale and Reed. We win.

It was probably unintentional, but that would be typical nonsensical Sox baseball if Reed did try to hit him. All the guys our pitchers HAVEN'T hit in the past and plunking a great Sox legend like AJ. That would be dumb.

Folks, Did you read the story in the Trib Monday about 30 people suing the Christian Brothers (who have no money) for sex abuse of students by brothers and teachers basically in the 60s, 70s and 80s? My brother is a lawyer so he sent me the actual names of the alleged perpetrators on the actual open record complaint, and one is a longtime Brother Rice football coach, who was at Rice when I was there. He actually wasn't head coach any more, but I had him as religion teacher. Anyhow, I am sickened that "allegedly" the higher-ups at Brother Rice knew about all the abusers and shipped them to other places including this Courtney guy who went to Seattle and caused all sorts of abuse crimes there! I am so sickened by this, I almost hope the people who are doing the suing (I think eight are suing Brother Rice) bring Rice to its knees and make the current school pay out the wazoo considering the Christian Brothers are bankrupt. My question to you is: How could this happen? How could members of a religious order (brothers) KNOW of these atrocities and let these abusers continue on??? Are you as sickened by me as this? My brother is so upset he demanded to be removed from all Brother Rice records. He does not want it on the record that he is a graduate of the school since he attended the school during the 70s and knew some of the "alleged" abusers. Why? Why did this happen at Chicago's Brother Rice, Leo and St. Laurence???? And to you attorneys on here: Will the people doing the suing be able to get money from the current Brother Rice administration for atrocities committed in the 60s and 70s? Since the Christian Brothers have no money to pay??? If Rice, Leo and Laurence have to pay out settlements will the schools close? And yes, in looking back, there was one incident when a priest at my grade school tried to get me. He didn't succeed and at the time I didn't know what the f*** he was trying to do to me. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/religio...0,7430957.story

QUOTE (Cali @ May 1, 2013 -> 05:00 AM) s***ty April.... No playoffs this year. Just hoping for a sell off midseason. And watching Gillaspie develop... Hope you guys are right about Gillaspie being a future star. Guess it's possible.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 1, 2013 -> 04:30 AM) 1st story, 2nd story and 3rd story should be: this team can't hit It's amazing how the last month of the season has basically been replayed so far during the first month. Interesting take. I didn't realize you were totally down on the offense and apparently think the other areas may be passable.

I love Hawk. He said, "We played terrible and we'll be back." Not many teams have announcers who can get away with saying that their team played "terrible." Well, Sox, your month of April pretty much sucked. Not many highlights. Main story of month: Injuries. Second story: s***ty defense and bad offense aside from good amount of homers. Third story: Great great closer. Rest of the relievers unreliable. Do you all agree with my storylines?

Hawk mentions TWTW. I hope he doesn't imply our team has that. It may exist in Hawk's mind, but there's been no solid evidence of it on our team ... at least, yet.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 1, 2013 -> 04:01 AM) This team needs Gillaspie in the lineup. I'd prefer a Robin Ventura in his prime in place of Gillaspie. Oh for the good ol days.

Last inning with the score 10-4 Hawk said 'the best thing is we have another one tomorrow.' It's amazing how it's understood Sox could never pull off a miracle rally even with nine outs remaining. Hawk basically wrote off this game. If we led 10-4 with 9 outs left, I don't think the game would be over.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 1, 2013 -> 03:55 AM) Sorry, just had to blow off some steam. Unfortunately, going from the high that was Wise's homer to the low that was the entire half inning that followed was too much for me to endure without sounding off. I will say this though, Robin needs to rip this team to shreds in the post game. He can't just be passive Robin tonight, he's got to give this team some tough love. Maybe a little spanking will make them come more focused tomorrow. Even Ozzie didn't do that. I think it's seen as a desperation move, so managers don't do that.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 1, 2013 -> 03:49 AM) Sox still take 2 of 3. I cheer your optimism, but ...

QUOTE (fathom @ May 1, 2013 -> 03:30 AM) The next 2 weeks is definitely danger time. If the Sox keep playing poorly, they can easily put themselves into a hole that statistically is very difficult to overcome. With that said, a lot of this has to fall on the pitching, as the offense scored a decent amount of runs against 3 of the 4 best pitchers in the AL. It's scary. I agree statistically things could be pretty bad after the KC series this weekend. QUOTE (Knuckles @ May 1, 2013 -> 03:40 AM) Remember when some wanted to make Jones the closer? Has he taken a step back or what? Geez. The Rangers announcers were just ripping the way he throws. I despise his motion the way he slings his arm. He was embarrassingly bad tonight.

This TWTW stuff isn't catching on at all, is it? I haven't heard much about it except on here. I personally liked my The Will To Whiff but nobody else paid it any mind.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2013 -> 06:55 PM) Things would have been pretty much the same most likely. The big difference on this board is while the Sox srtill aren't scoring runs, its not blamed on the hitting coach anymore. If you really want a better offense, you need better players. If hitting coaches made the difference in every hitter some believe they do, they would be making $25 million a year. They would be far more valuable than any player. Great post. I liked yours too, Caufield. But I believe Dick has it right. The Sox have the same hitting philosophy basically and similarly streaky results. The difference as Dick points out, is Manto is not getting any blame. Walker was despised.