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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 08:17 PM) Don't want. They expect. I've kind of expected the team to collapse the last couple years, yeah I guess I'm guilty of that. I don't know what it is. There are a lot of things about the Sox that drive me crazy. At least the last few seasons.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 25, 2012 -> 06:15 AM) Oh c'mon greg, he's the 4th outfielder! And he actually had a higher OPS than both the Tigers 4th and 5th OFer. Wise-.721 Quintin Berry-.684 Brennan Boesch-.659 The new bodies you want are about a year away in guys like Thompson and Mitchell. Good post. You are right, those are the guys I want, so I guess I should just wait a year and shut up. I don't dislike Wise. I can't believe they took his picture off the wall catching the drive to save the perfect game. I don't mind him; I just bought into the fact a lot of people on this board want change in our team and I'd think we could find somebody to do Wise's job who isn't Wise. But I'll never bury the guy. I don't mind him, though he's another guy who could have actually done something the last 2 weeks of the season to stave off the choke. Remember, had we made the playoffs, we might have done some damage. Detroit didn't have much trouble getting to the WS.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) He had an OPS of 1.000 for his first 9 games, 8 of which were starts. In his final 36 games, 30 of which were starts, his OPS was .617. You can do all sorts of cherry picking through his games to find small decent stretches and longer, terrible stretches. The reason DeWayne Wise has stuck around the game long enough is that he is dependable enough to use on the bench because he can play 3 OF positions, hit for a bit of power, and run the bases pretty well. The reason he's only been given the starting job once - unjustly, I might add - is because he's simply not that good. You play him when you need him. That's his job as a 4th outfielder. Seems to me he becomes a favorite of all managers. He started for the Yankees for quite a spell, didn't he? Then he was our starter. I don't mind the guy, I just wish we'd get some new bodies out on the field. Deweezy to me is a symbol of the fact we ain't gonna win the division.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 06:07 PM) Or consistently predict doom and gloom, and then pretend to be happy when you are proven wrong. I think everybody on here who posts often is happy when the Sox win. Why would they stick around here if they wanted the team to suck?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 05:25 PM) How exactly would you know when the good streak will start? If he starts the season 0-8, do you bench him for the rest of the season? So many questions, so many questions He was great right after the Sox got him and horrific the last 3 weeks as I recall. I don't know if he gets tired or what, but the bad Wise was an automatic out. I remember at one point he had no chance up there. The good Wise was pretty amazing.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 11:05 PM) Part of Greg's comments may be because I kept saying I have empathy for anyone in that situation and people kept saying, Yeah, but Mark has money, Mark did this or Mark did that. I'm guessing all those comments could be rewritten to say, anyone with enough money, or anyone with a really cool job, or anyone who can walk away, does not deserve empathy. It isn't specific to Mark, but he was used as an example. And we would take him back under that contract, as long as someone was picking up some of it. That's exactly what I'm saying. I think I value Mark's style more than others. I think he rubs off well on the other pitchers who emulate him. I would reacquire him and deal some of the other lefties.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 08:35 PM) As long as you were driving, great. We all left our separate ways. They weren't drunk but in the afternoon, 3 beers, yeah they were probably over the limit. All were married with kids. I can't run people's lives, but people are crazy sometimes re. alcohol.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 08:40 PM) LMAO And greg, no sports psychologist needed. Nobody said they didnt like Buehrle I sense a negative Buehrle vibe in all the threads discussing him. And whenever I suggest we bring him back there's huge negativity re. Mark.

QUOTE (Joxer_Daly @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) That depends. How many beers were left in the fridge after the first three rounds were polished off? Oh, we were at a restaurant here, not anybody's house.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 08:18 PM) yea he says a lot of things like "I like to get drunk and then take sleeping pills" I don't remember the sleeping pills part but I'll trust you on it. I still say you cannot assume Oz has a drinking problem and it's irresponsible to say that on a public forum. I just went to Black Friday lunch and of the five people there, only one (me) didn't have at least 3 big beers. On a Friday afternoon? I had no beers. They make me sleepy. Drinking is a huge part of society. Do the four guys I was with have a problem?

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 22, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) IIRC from another contract discussion, the terms of terminating the contract were probably spelled out and any of the speculations in this thread could be true. Usually the team wants the coach to find another job so they can quit paying him so much, so there is little incentive to keep him on the hook while he does nothing. I really hope Ozzie grows up. I also have a suspicion that Ozzie drinks a bit too much for his own good. Maybe some help for that would also help. You could be right about the drinking. Or you could be wrong, way wrong. He may just like a beer or two after a game. Just cause he says he gets plastered all the time doesn't mean it's true. He says a lotta things.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 22, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) Does anyone disagree with this: Bottom line, I believe good parents want to be with their kids, I believe most children want to be with their parents. I have empathy for parents (regardless of what they do for a living) and especially children, when that can't happen. I don't believe you can buy your way out of that. I don't believe money can replace being there as a parent. "Sorry I missed out on most all the important moments in your life, here's a car"! And honestly, I don't believe YASNY believes that a car really replaces anything. Is not being there and then buying kids things really how anyone wants to raise their children? And I agree Mark's situation is better than some truck driver struggling to pay bills who can't pay off his kids later with new cars. He has the resources to fly his family to him on off days. But imagine being the kid who is leaving your new best friend because your dad gets traded. Are you going to swap your best friend for a new bike? Swap your school for a the latest gaming console and be happy? I have empathy for the kids and adults in that position. Not sympathy, empathy. But maybe money can buy happiness. If you were a friend of an athlete who is sitting in your living room and says I'm really bummed, I have to move again. The kids are just getting settled in, they have new friends, are comfortable with the school, and now we have to move. If they stay with me we have to get rid of their dog. What would you say? Just buy them a car when they turn 16 and they will forget about it? It's your choice, you could quit. You are playing baseball for a living, your kids just have to deal with it? I would say with empathy, man that is tough. Have you thought about some ways to help out the kids? Maybe have a couple of their friends come up north this summer? That is also what I think YASNY and NSS would say. Which is why I'm confused they are disagreeing with me here. Anyhow, unless someone quotes me directly, I'm not certain what more I can say. It seems like some of you are saying f*** it. they are rich and don't have feelings like the rest of us. Or because he is blessed to play a game for a living his kids don't need him at home every night. If I am misreading that. I apologize. Let's face facts, for whatever reason, possibly the simple fact he played for the Sox so long, there's a lot of anti Buehrle sentiment on this site. Read this thread and tell me there's not a negative vibe. I don't understand it, but it's more of the philosophy of sports fans that never ceases to confound me. Buehrle should be loved on this site. The Sox should get him back. But that's in a perfect world. Why fans don't worship this guy as an all-time favorite Sox is beyond me. Mark Buehrle is everything great about pitching. Works fast, is a HUGE winner, seemingly a great tutor to younger pitchers. I love the guy and wish he was on our staff. I'd like a sports psychologist to tell me why a guy like Buehrle is not beloved by Sox fans. Weird.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 05:45 AM) The point is that it is difficult to tell whether a player is in a legitimate slump or if he's just having one of the slower stretches that is bound to happen, statistically So saying to just bench him when his slump starts makes it sound far easier than it is to actually tell when a player needs to get benched. Maybe Dweezy is a late late bloomer and he'll have a Melky Cabrera type year. I just think his body of work suggests if he gets a ton of at bats, that's not a good thing. I don't mind the guy, but I'd think somebody else could fulfil his role. Maybe not. I'm definitely not incensed Wise is coming back. He just doesn't really excite me even as a 4th outfielder.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 04:03 AM) How is a guy going to get out of a slump if he doesn't play? I just think he's a very streaky hitter, all or nothing. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

Driving around town I saw a huge line in front of Target. I mean HUGE. What u think Target has that has people in this Kansas town going gaga?

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 01:53 AM) The quintessential message board baseball comment Why do you say that? In saying that, you imply it's kind of a dumb comment, showing little baseball knowledge. I think it shows a lot of baseball knowledge of our Sox. Remember when we got Wise and he was amazing for 2 weeks or so?? Then it was over. The hot streak was done and all he did was make outs and I think he made a few defensive gaffes or baserunning blunders as well. I love Wise but as a fan I'd rather see somebody else out there. Somebody new. People on here clamor for change, well I'd agree in this case. Give me another backup outfielder. We know what Dweezey can do and that is get hot for a two-week stretch or so, which is fine. His whole body of work is .230ish, however. Why is it dumb to say Robin should play him during that torrid stretch, then when he sees it's over, just bench him for good? Can you deny he gets hot, then is not?

QUOTE (VAfan @ Nov 21, 2012 -> 09:14 PM) I didn't realize until I looked how many games Wise started after he came over from the Yankees. Some of this was because De Aza went on the DL within a few days of Wise's arrival. But even after De Aza returned, Wise kept getting starts. From August 11, when he came over, until October 3, Wise started 38 out of 51 games, and he didn't play in only 6 games. De Aza missed 25 games in this stretch, Viciedo missed 7 games, Rios missed 2 (last 2). In that same stretch, Jordan Danks played in only 18 games. And he only received at bats in 8 of them. (18 ABs, 2 hits.) I think Wise proved he was a servicable 4th outfielder in that stretch of games. His average is not high, and he doesn't walk much, but he hits with a little power, showed some clutch ability, ran very well, and fielded well. What more do you want for 700k? I don't care about the money. I just think we'd be better served to play somebody else as backup outfielder. Deweezy is streaky, though. Robin should play him a lot when he's hot, but once that streak ends, bench him and rarely play him.

The story on here about the pitbull basically wanting to eat that other dog is scary. How did you finally get the dog's head out of the pitbull's mouth? Weren't you scared as you tried to pry the pitbull's jaws open? On another topic, I've heard grayhounds, the dogs that race, as some of the nicest dogs out there. Is that true? Has anybody owned one? Do they just run and run and run?

I truly love DWise, but his time has passed. Very bad move for the Sox as they start to move forward for the season. Maybe Robin will be able to read his hot streaks and sit his ass the minute he looks like he's entering one of those tailspins. When he's hot he's damn good. When he's not, ugh.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) Ozzie Guillen has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, there was no need to bring him up. As my first order as mod (in the wrong forum!) I ask that we refrain from discussing Ozzie Guillen in this thread. He has been talked about ad nauseum this season and his tenure (both with the White Sox and Marlins) has proven to be a hot button issue. Beyond that, there are several other threads where he can be discussed. This trade and the after effects of it have literally nothing to do with Ozzie Guillen. Keep him out. LOL. Don't talk about a Marlin in a Marlin thread. Yes sir.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 19, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) I loved Buehrle when he was here, but it's tough to feel that bad. Go to Canada for a few years and earn your $48 million. Nobody else was giving him that dollar amount. It's easy to feel bad for him. He got f***ed by the Marlins. They screwed him over. He's a total class act and he got hosed. If Ozzie had pulled this crap of reneging on a verbal agreement to not trade him he'd be buried on this site.

Forgive my rant here: Hockey is the most poorly run sport in the history of mankind. Here we are with another work stoppage, another lost season. You've got Fehr holding out like this is the national pastime, baseball. This is hockey, a sport with a very very very limited fanbase and limited TV dollars. What the hell do the players want? Seems to me they make a helluva lot of money compared to the amount of money in the pot in this sport with a limited audience. So this season is wiped out. After killing a whole season do you think the owners will cave at all next summer? It'll be back to the negotiating tables again about next September and they'll have 3 weeks to get a deal done again. At least football was smart enough to realize they had to get a deal done. Hockey? What a bunch of morons to let this drag out like this again.

Tell the truth, during the season you all have to check soxtalk religiously to see what wild thing Greg has said about Ozzeroo. Kidding. I first look at yahoo which pops up on the screen and often has amazing stories on the front page that catch my interest. Then soxtalk, my fantasy teams, twitter, my email, tmz believe it or not, sun times.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 19, 2012 -> 12:55 AM) Like what breeds? Rotts and Pincers, both commonly trained as guard/attack dogs? I agree, its the people who put the fight in the dog, im not saying the dog is the issue. Look, not all pits are bred to fight. I know this. But there are many that are, and they do fight unfortunately. I think most of Marks own pitbulls are rescued and rehabbed fighters including his Staffordshire. It may not be a correct way to deal with it, but these towns/cities/counties decided its better to say stay out than to put forth the resources to combat the underground fighting industry. my ex girlfriends dad trained and bred Pincers for police. Her house dog almost took my face off once and i was just standing there minding my own business. Scared the absolute hell out of me. This is a great thread. That dog went for your face?? Scary. My parents, who are docile people, had a german shepherd that hopped over the fence to chase down a jogger and the shepherd bit the guy in the leg. fortunately for my parents the jogger was a great guy and only made my parents pay for his trip to emergency to check himself out. Why did the Shepherd do that except for the fact it is a mean breed? My parents got rid of the dog and it may even have been put down for its transgression. I forget. My aunt, who gave my parents the dog and is a huge dog and horse lover, was PISSED and wouldn't talk to my mom, her sister, for a long time.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2012 -> 01:28 AM) No they shouldn't. Why? Acquire Mark and trade 2 of our lefties. It will help our team A LOT. Mark is like a pitcher/coach he's so efficient.