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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 05:01 AM) Resigned. And knowing the challenge posed by Detroit is only going to be greater next season with Martinez back, Alburquerque for the entire season....maybe a ROY campaign by Avisail Garcia. All things considered, it would be a miracle for the Sox to beat DET next year unless Verlander and Scherzer both go down to injury. Not quite as bad as in 2008, because that would have been 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 that the Twins had beaten us, with only 2005 in between. Yeah. Makes sense. That's why I wanted to really win this year. I feel like Detroit is so much better than the other Central teams that they'll likely get it together for a week and pass us and fulfill their destiny as a playoff team. But then next year they'll actually be GOOD all year and we could be out of it in June/July like the Royals always are. That's my fear. Losing in blowout fashion tonight is not a good sign after the latest meltdown series in KC.

So we get blown out in the opener of the series. Interesting. Jake stunk and the offense was even worse. So it's on to Game Two. We really need to win one of the three. A sweep means Detroit will be tied or a game up likely.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 04:59 AM) yea, looking more and more like hes ready to just be a dh Don't forget, though, that he's injured and I bet we learn later he shouldn't even be playing the second half.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 04:42 AM) Only we could get owned by Chen, Guthrie, and Santana all right in a row That is true. Only the White Sox. ... If we collapse the rest of the way and don't make the postseason, will you guys be mad or just sad? This team is so bizarre I feel differently depending on the day.

This is where the people who type in the hating on Hawk thread should be listening to the game. Hawk and Stoney are being critical tonight.

What bugs me is we should be a whopping 3 games up on the Tigers. The fact our team, with so much at stake, couldn't squeeze out a win yesterday prior to heading to Anaheim to face a good team really rankles me. And confuses me. It's like our guys don't want it to be easy. Weird.

Our team is not very likeable when we are not blasting home runs and our starting pitching is like it's been.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 04:02 AM) White Sox forgetting to hit the ball up the middle and to the opposite field like earlier in the season when they were going so well offensively. Manto and Ventura really need to wake them up somehow before we get swept away by Haren and Weaver. You are on fire with your observations. How do you do it? Some nights it's easier to just generalize and say, 'We suck.' QUOTE (Real @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 04:07 AM) stick a fork in this team, they're done You are worse than me. The Sox are definitely in a funk, but not done until Detroit takes a 1-game lead. At that point I'd say we're toast.

Have you ever seen a team that goes on as many mini stretches of goodness and badness as our White Sox? Four or five good ones; four or five lousy ones.

Hawk pointing out that the team has been playing ultra s***ty baseball even during the five-game win streak.

Pujols is a Sox killer.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 02:13 AM) I didn't say they should have won the division, I said they should have been more competitive. That team laid down Sounds like a cliche to me. That crazy owner got what he deserves. A horrible team. Everything I've read about Loria is negative. Ozzie was a moron to take the money and run to that organization. He's better off fired and going into broadcasting for a year or two. He'll have a nice bit of money to live on since he has a ton of years left on his contract.

Brother Rice is getting spanked 42-7 at halftime. I kind of had a feeling a combination of Carmel being amazing and Rice feeling good about itself after the great win over St. Rita might make it tough this week. O was wrong about Rice's defense. Looks bad tonight.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) maybe i went to a snobby school or something, but PB&J was like a scrub lunch. everyone got the school hot lunch. there was like tacos and stuff. When I went to Queen of Martyrs we all got to run home for lunch cause most people lived within a few blocks of school. Yummy. Mom's fresh lunches. I'm sure nowadays they wouldn't allow that lest the kid(s) get kidnapped or the fear of getting kidnapped or falling down and scraping a knee. To my mom's credit, she never forced peanut butter on the kids. I hate and hated peanut butter. I remember at Brother Rice, however, a lot of the poor saps who brought a lunch had to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) "I knew George McGovern. George McGovern was a friend of mine. You sir are no George McGovern". George McGovern should have been allowed to govern this land. Little Friday pun.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) (1) Rosters expanded on September 1, so Robin is able to do the lefty/righty matchups earlier in games (2) The offense has sucked balls lately, so there has been less margin for error with the starters Do you guys agree our games have had horrible flow to them since our starters have failed to get through five innings? Robin refuses to let guys pitch a full inning of relief it seems to me and we're going lefty/righty and it is miserable baseball. I hope this is an aberration and he returns to letting relievers pitch full innings next season. I despise this kind of baseball. It's OK in the eighth leading up to the closer in the ninth but I hate this kinda ball. Set up men are supposed to set up for the f***ing closer. Do you guys agree????

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 08:38 PM) Tigers basically have to play mistake-free baseball the rest of the season. I just don't see that happening. I disagree. Let's talk after this weekend. This 2 game lead can turn into a one-game Detroit lead in the blink of an eye. Cmon. We play the Angels on the road and they play Minnesota at home? A reasonable person would assume we lose 2 minimum and they win two minimum and that means they are one back. It could wind up a lot worse than that in just one weekend.

Y2HH said it all. How can anybody argue with this? Our society is in deep deep trouble. I will say this, though. You helicopter parents, the ones who think Johnny and Julie can do no wrong, who go to the teachers and complain when they get a B instead of an A, who demand no father-daughter dances because your little baby has no dad around ... you are gonna get yours when Johnny and Julie live with you until they are 30. Cause the articies I'm reading is little Johnny and Julie don't like the mean ol workplace and THEY QUIT their jobs at alarming rates cause of mean ol bosses and co-workers. The current 20 somethings want nirvana in the workplace as well, in large part of some of the parents who raise their kids so protectively. Have fun paying for them off and on until they are 35, helicopter parents!! Soccer moms who want a trophy for everybody. You'll be supporting them off and on until they find the nirvana job in many cases.

Answer this question honestly please. Is Romney one of the worst candidates in Presidential history? I would say yes.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 08:00 PM) And did most reasonable people assume the Royals would sweep Detroit, the Sox would sweep the Yankees, Cleveland would win 2 of 3 in Detroit, etc? Detroit doesn't have Verlander or Scherzer pitching this weekend, no way they sweep. I hope you are right. The games are at home and Minnie is rotten.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 08:03 PM) You know what guys Sox are gonna win 87, 88 or 89 games. I'm confident Detroit will win either 1 or 2 games less. If you don't believe it, don't worry, I got this one. That would be nice. I don't want a playoff vs. Detroit. I really don't want to lead the division almost all season and not complete the deal.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 07:09 PM) The Sox are great at playing on a high. All good teams are supposed to be that way & even a lot of bad teams are like that. The problem is we have trouble coming back from the lows, and when the pressure is on it it's even worse. You always hear Hawk talk about how important it is for baseball players to have a short memory & not to take their gloves to the plate or bats to the field; we seem to take the events of a past series with us, and when we get in a tough spot, we can't relax and so we try to do too much. Perfect example was last night. We won 5 in a row and then drop a game to KC. Last night we had the chance to take the series & start a new streak while picking back up that game the Tigers took. KC only scored 4 runs all game & they gave us 3. That's only 2 runs we need to score on our own to win, and we can't do it. Now, instead of heading into Anaheim to play a tough, extremely talented team on the road on a high, we have to right the ship there. That's the sign of a fading team, it's just that Detroit is also fading, and if you're an honest outside observer, neither team should be good enough to force either the Yankees or Baltimore to play a WC game. QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) Just like Texas and Oakland, right? That first post seems rock solid to me. As far as my responses to Hibbard ... I'm basing this on actually having a very good season. To have a very good season you have to hold your own against the Texas and Oakland's but you simply must combine that with .500 ball at the worst against the pathetic teams, the Kansas City's. 5-13 signifies a huge problem toward having a playoff caliber season. Now I could look at this season two ways. 1.) I have no problem conceding the playoffs and saying Robin still deserves manager of the year for keeping an injury-decimated team in contention all year, playing meaningful games all year. I could say the horrific record vs. KC shows we're not that good and Robin is a brilliant leader in keeping us in the race at all. Tons of injuries make our record a successful one no matter what, really. 2.) The other way to look at it is we got career years out of AJ, Rios and Dunn and step-up, excellent fill in performances from a batch of pitchers that had us right there 8-12 games over .500 most of the way, taking advantage of a pathetic season by runaway favorite Detroit. But because of unacceptable play against KC and inability to play .500 ball vs. KC and Detroit, we blew an opporunity to win the division. I have no problem with scenario No. 1, but I was hopeful we'd make the playoffs. Sox still can make them, but the odds are against them looking at comparative schedules IMO. To make it clear, I have no problem with Robin being named manager of the year because of all the injuries.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 05:28 PM) I'm sick of people saying "not beating KC will be the reason we lost this division" if we end up second. We're 5-13 against KC and done with them (and Detroit), and we're 2 games up in the division. If you want to cherry pick the 18 KC games out of the schedule, you'd have to change every other result as well, because after certain losing streaks/games the team got up/down for the next one. It's akin to saying "if we had that hit he would have scored". You can't cherry pick like that. Maybe if we won 2/3 in the trip to KC we have a let down somewhere else. This season will be won/lost @Anaheim, vs. TB/Cle and @Cle. There's one problem with your theory. With your theory a team can never have a great year, that it all balances out and the team finishes 8-10 games over .500. No, to have a playoff caliber team you have to do better than 5-13 against one of the worst franchises in baseball the last 20 years. You don't win every series, but you have to do better than that against division rivals to have a team worthy of the playoffs.

Season begins tonight. No more games against KC making the Sox and their fandom think they are pretenders. No more games against Detroit unless there's a 1-game playoff. Time to put up or shut up. Odds are currently stacked against the Sox this weekend. I think most reasonable people expect 2 losses in Anaheim coupled with 3 Detroit wins. So prove people wrong, White Sox. Make the playoffs and prove all the fans who took the summer off and didn't flock to your games wrong.

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 05:30 AM) This team has been in first place for 120 days. I'd say they played plenty good innings. Do any of you think Robin has changed his philosophy the last six weeks or so? Remember when he always let his starters go deep in games? Now he seems content at five innings and anxious to begin the lefty/right crap. I guess if we don't make the playoffs we'll look back and realize the losses of Danks, Floyd (for extended period), Buehrle and Humber turning into s*** after being reliable were really difficult to overcome. Also Thornton being lousy and Ohman a joke. Also DeAza being out a few weeks with injury and Dunn being out for a bit and Paulie being banged up the entire second half. To be 10 over .500 is probably a minor miracle. That's why I say Robin ultimately could be manager of the year or second in voting.