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QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 03:48 AM) If demanding a new contract in the middle of September and willingly negotiating with another team during September isn't quitting on the Sox, what is? Did he literally have to not show up to the park? I suppose that would've been Kenny's fault, or the gas prices were too high at the time. And please, NEVER use Ozzie in the same paragraph as Earl Weaver and Tommy Lasorda, unless you're listing reasons about how different they are as managers, as in, "Ozzie is dogs*** compared to Lasorda and Weaver." Please get over yourself. I'm 24 posts in and you annoy me already. There's a reason Ozzie was a .525 manager with the Sox and his current team sucks, but I suppose that's Miami management's fault. Getting Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell was horrible. RIIIIGHT. No, it didn't. He just doesn't like you. Bell is horrible. That is not Ozzie's fault. I don't even know how many WS titles Weaver and Tommy won, but arguably Oz is already better than those two because he led the Chicago White Sox to a WS title. Do you realize Chicago teams DO NOT win WS titles? And guess who led them to one?? Ozzie. Before Ozzie? I don't even know who our manager was in 1917 or whenever we won one. If you think heath Bell is good, then bless you. Heath is a trainwreck and he's not Ozzie's fault. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 04:30 AM) I feel bad for Greg now. Damn. Why? I don't think I'm banned yet.

QUOTE (soxmaniac! @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 03:58 AM) I don't get it. Jenks did SO much for this team, and he continuously gets disrespected. Some people just have short team memory I guess. How can you criticize a guy who helped bring the sox their only championship in the last 100 years? It is beyond me. Good post. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 04:06 AM) Greg was poised at the keyboard for the tying run to score so we could all predict the Sox would never win in extra innings because they suck at that so far in 2012. Then again, a statistic like that has to even out eventually. I wanted the Sox to win it in nine innings and thankfully they did. QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 04:11 AM) I cant wait till you and the original gregbot unite and form Voltron. Just cause I disagree with most posters about Sox you call me a bot. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 04:19 AM) I think we should all pool our money together and buy an Applebee's franchise in Lawrence (since we'll probably come up JUST a bit short for the $1 billion on the Sox or even a minor league team, although, in fairness, our internal SoxTalk marketing department might be stronger here than the one at 35th and Shields presently) Whenever any news happens with the Sox, Ozzie, whatever, we can "insta-poll" all the diners to get their immediate feedback and put it into Sherman and Peabody's quant analysis machine for further digestion. We already got an applebee's here.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 02:00 AM) And I've never seen Jason do anything like that. I still think his account got hacked.

We win. Reed gets the job done but didn't seem to have good stuff IMO.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 12:36 AM) That may have been the worst AB I have ever seen. 3 fastballs down the pipe and he is watching like he bought a ticket. That does classify as perhaps the worst at bat of all time. Good observation IMO. Wow.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:57 PM) How long will it take for greg to realize who Chisoxfn is.... Which actually only backs up Jason's statement, since greg has been here what, close to a decade? And yet he still doesn't know. If he's the owner, then it's pretty crazy to think my defense of Ozzie would elicit such a venomous response. All I'm doing is stating my defense of Ozzie. It's not like I'm starting threads saying Ozzie this and Ozzie that and I wish Ozzie was still here. You guys think Ozzie quit on the team whatever that means. I say the Sox didn't want him and he sped up the process by negotiating the final week or whenever. If the Sox wanted Ozzie Guillen and made it known they wanted Oz through thick and thin, he'd still be here. Also, who cares if he's playing on the internet before games instead of scouring advanced stats. What did Earl Weaver do back in the day w/no internet or Tommy Lasorda? They played grabass with the media I'm sure or played cards. Who cares? A manager brings the intangibles and semblance of strategy DURING games.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 09:48 PM) Yes there would be big interest, and if the Padres selling price is any indication, the Sox would be sold close to $1billion. You really think there would be big interest? Traditionally the Sox have been on shaky ground, almost moving that one year. As nice as the Cell is ... would any of you be against starting over? New owner? New stadium in the most picturesque part of the city where there could be bars, restaurants, etc., not a slum to the east and southeast and nice, but blah Bridgeport to the west?

Losing another series to the Twinks would be embarrassing. Our team is full of name players. They've got two of them. Three counting Liriano. Time to start winning series or shut up.

Is there anybody out there who would buy the White Sox if Jerry and the investors wanted out? Would Cuban buy the team? Does he have the cash?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) who got knocked out, me or chisox? it seems to me he snapped and will prolly be headed to the penalty box.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) If Beckham is so weak in the head that he can't handle being moved from 2nd to 9th in the lineup then he'll likely never meet the potential that we all initially thought he had. See the ball, hit the ball, regardless of your spot in the lineup. i don't think it's a huge deal, but Beckham was doing pretty well. He's almost back up to .250. Let's see if he can handle this or not.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 08:08 PM) Greg...I don't make personal attacks, but you are the stupidest person in the history of the internet. I can't even fathom this and its posts like this that really prove the fact that you are either (a) that stupid or (b) the biggest troll in the history of Soxtalk. Did somebody hack your account? I like Ozzie and stand up for him. Get over it. Or don't.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 08:00 PM) If Ozzie was the greatest manager in the world, he would have had the cojones to try to make a go of it with this diminished roster. RV has. He knew he was going to lose some talent (Buehrle/Quentin for starters), so he took the easy way out. How many great managers in the past ran from a challenge that was 50% created by themselves? I frankly don't think Robin will do any better than Ozzie with this roster when all is said and done. Team has a weird dynamic again. Lot of old guys mixed with young guys in key spots. 2 through six in the lineup is Youk, Dunn, Paulie, Rios, AJ, that's a ton of veterans to go with Tank, DeAza, Beckham and Lexi. It seems like a scary lineup, but something is amiss. Our pitching is very inconsistent as usual despite the fact on paper we've got a good closer and average rotation in Peavy, Sale, Floyd, Q and Danks when he comes back. Ozzie would be getting fried for not having this team in the playoffs, when in reality the team still just isn't that good. It's basically underachieving once again. We have a lot of name players on this team.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) what is your point here? Jenks fell apart. He may have been closer for "years", but he really was only successful the first 2 years. the last 2 he was a ticking time bomb. What do Soria and Reed have to do with it? Soria was closer for "years" too My point is closers aren't very good for more than a handful of years max. Bobby was fine.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) Guillen had a signed contract for another year. He walked away. Not the other way around. You have to admit, the White Sox did NOT want the guy back. He just took everybody out of their misery. If things were going well in Chicago he'd never have left. There are perks to being loved in the great city of Chicago where people care. Who cares if he walked away? Most fans on this message board wanted him to walk away.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 04:11 AM) In 4 of the last 6 and 5 out of the last 8 games the Sox have scored 1 run or less. 3 of those games went extra innings. BBGW. Hmm, I guess Walker wasn't the problem. Manto, Walker, Ozzie, Robin, etc., it all adds up to .500 folks.

Just tuned in. I take it another lousy effort vs. the twins.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:14 AM) Dunn has no prayer against Liriano tonight. Would have been a good night to get him a breather. I agree. Unless Liriano gets knocked out, look for 3-4 Ks from Adam tonight. Like u said, no chance in hell of making contact.

2-through-6 in the lineup is as veteran a team as there is. We are All In again, folks. The rebuilding talk is just dumb. This team needs to win with these veterans!

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 09:09 PM) Perhaps you could find a statistics professor at KU to explain to you why a sample size of 504 games over the past two years is more significant than a sample size of 12 games. Call Les Grobstein's show and tell him the AL is way better and get ready for some fireworks.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) If the events of the "last week" are closed in reference to Guillen, should not those events of that same week be closed for Cooper as well? You love to drag Coopers name in that week but completely exonerate Guillen as if it never happened. You can't have it both ways Pal. Sure. I just bring it up in defense of Ozzie when people say he quit. QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 09:23 PM) His act is old and tired. His new boss likely has buyer's remorse already. I'll eat Adam Dunn if that becomes true. Swallow him whole, like an anaconda. His act will be fine when they start winning again. If for some reason Loria thinks he can do better and axes Ozzie, he'll get hired the ensuing offseason. He's not at the point where this will be his last team. Francona will get a job this offseason if he wants one despite his clubhouse falling apart last year with all that weird stuff going on.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 11:42 PM) The Sox have needed a guy like this since Carl Everett's been gone. Like the article says, though, he is going to get hurt. Bank on that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) It just disproves your previous point that Ozzie bleeds White Sox red, thats all. You are just talking in circles. Ozzie is a selfish prick that has no team in his heart but Team Guillen, you just wont admit it because he did the most amazing thing ever and was part of a world series team. Pablo Ozuna is possibly the greatest bench player in the history of bench players for this very same reason. I would disagree in your assertion that he is a "selfish prick." As far as the WS, I look at ozzie's whole body of work. Name one other Sox manager who comes close to rivaling what Ozzie did with the Sox? Chuck Tanner? People forget his overall body of work (uh, his RECORD) is pretty impressive with the White Sox, a team with an abysmal past. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) The Marlins had to give up players to make it all go away. Then Sox fans everywhere should be thrilled the way it worked out. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) And the Sox wanted Ozzie out. If they really wanted to keep him, he wouldn't be in Miami now or they would have made Miami give up better players. That is 100 percent true. This quit on the team stuff is all TOTAL BS. If the Sox wanted ozzie he'd be in Chicago. Case closed. Who cares about the last-week semantics of his leaving and "quitting" on the team. If that makes you all feel better to hate on Ozzie for that, go for it. Like Dick Allen said, the Sox didn't want him. Case closed. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) If you think I am a troll, you are crazy. I'm as good a White Sox fan as anybody on here. Longevity, memories of past teams, and everything else. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) COOPER HAD BEEN THERE A LOT LONGER THAN OZZIE, and many more years with the SOX as a coach OZZIE WAS DELIBERATELY LEAVING HIS COACHING STAFF OUT OUT TO DRY..."LET THEM SWEAT IT OUT" i remember was his quote COOPER WANTED TO STAY WITH THE SOX, AND EVEN BE THE MANAGER (perhaps) OZZIE WANTED TO DITCH THE SOX Is Ozzie taking care of Jeff Cox now? Paying his bills or mortgage? I think not. SOMEONE had to stick their foot on the line and say "who's with me, who's staying, who's loyal to JR, to their OTHER boss KW, to Jerry Reinsdorf?" Wait and see a couple of years from now. I bet Buehrle will be back in a Sox uniform. Guillen will be a 3rd base coach somewhere, or bench coach. Or maybe on TV, since that's what he is really best suited for now, until he says something that's impossible for even him to walk back. Ozzie will be a manager until the day he decides he does not want to be a manager. At some point will he be silenced and be another plastic mummy in the dugout and with the press? Perhaps. But he'll be a manager somewhere the next 25 years.

I think Lilly has some ability, but frankly doesn't have a clue. He played so little this year I don't know what he was doing at the plate. I assume he was trying to hit home runs as he did virtually every at bat last year when he whacked more than Adam Dunn. It's a shame, but Lilly's ship has sailed. We'll never know if he coulda been a productive major leaguer. His approach is horrific. somebody has to send that clip of the kid to all the morning talk shows and Yahoo. I'm sure it'd be yahoo's lead story on a slow day and I could see the talk shows feasting on this cute kid.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) And 142-110 is a VERY significant disparity that translates to 91 victories for the average AL team, were they to play a full NL schedule. And that total will win divisions many times. In other words, a perfectly average AL team is a legit contender in the NL, if interleague sample size is sufficient. The last two WS champs would say the AL isn't all that special.