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QUOTE(Spiff @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) People just need to get over themselves and stop being so goddamned short-sighted. People are entitled to their opinions. Get over it instead of ranting when someone posts something you don't like.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) Now don't go changing the rule on me... the complaint was that the Sox don't hit pitchers that they see for the first time. Now to start talking about who has done what, changes the arguement. I'm not changing anything on you, your numbers speak for themselves, I was just saying Brazelton sucks. lol.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) We had faced Bedard last year....and roughed him up. Yep sure did and Brazelton has sucked all year and is in the minors now I believe.

Personally, I'd like to see Durazo at 1B for us if he could avoid getting hurt, but it won't happen.

QUOTE(DABearSoX @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Oh say can you sing.... Wunsch is not that bad. Hell I joked with him when I saw him here last year with Charlotte that we'd miss his musical talents at the Soxfest Family Party.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) And I dug up the stats for this in another post earlier today. Of the 5 starters we saw for the first time, we kicked the crap out of 3 of them. Bedard and Santana pitched well against. Bedard has pitched well against everyone pretty much, so there isn't much embarassement in the numbers we through up against him. All of this corpseball and first time seeing a SP stuff, is pretty much urban legend anymore... It really doesn't hold up to the actual statistics. Who were the other pitchers? Or could you link me to your post.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) Boz, that's true. I hate that about the Sox. But I will say that this year they have not been that bad about it except for last night. Let's just come back and get the next couple... Freddy and MB... let's get two W's and then forget about this damn thread. We are doing great, but I'm not just going to sit here and say it's okay that we got shutout by Ervin Santana. I think if you just listen to some of what people are saying, a lot of it is true, a lot of it is bulls***, but there are some good points being made in this thread. You've gotta find a healthy balance of not slurping the Sox too much and not ripping too much. Too many posters are on one side or the other.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) This is the most f***ed up thread I've seen all year. You would think we're 13-31 instead of 31-13. If we sucked that f***ing bad we would be 13-31 (all we do is pull when we hit). Another reason people get pissed is, with the exception of B-Mac, in the last few years, we call up a guy and he gets s*** on. Then these other teams bring up a guy and he'll make us look horrible. Just something to consider.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) It seems you guys expect wayyyy too much a lot of the time. It's as if you expect that we' should still be batting in the bottom of the 1st of the April 4th Opening Day game. After Buehrle, pitched a 3 pitch 1-2-3 inning, of course. You make a good point, however, after a guy gets lit up in his first MLB start after being called up from AA and then goes the distance and shuts us down, people are going to complain, including me. I usually don't rip the team, but last night was just flat out embarassing. Seriously, those guys should feel embarassed and come out tonight with a chip on their shoulder and hit the damn ball.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ May 24, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) For every "Sweeney/Jeter/Manny/etc" there are a hundred Credes. It's time to accept that fact and move on. No there is only one Cruddy and he plays for us, unfortunately.

QUOTE(Spiff @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:53 PM) Well then don't talk to me about a changeup that "has a chance to be average". If you saw the game, you know it is a lot more than that. Just because Joe Crede, Timo Perez and Carl Everett made it look good, doesn't mean s***. The first two are fringe hitters and Everett sucks right now.

QUOTE(Spiff @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) Did you see his changeup last night?? Did you SEE it? I painfully watched the whole game.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) Its hard to decide who to get rid of when you are 14-31... no wait we are 31-14 Sad part is that we've played as well as we can and Minnesota is still just 5 back.

Saw it last night with the Angels broadcast on Extra Innings....

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) How many guys need to bat sub .250 before we realize that the Pull only method isnt work. Any pitcher who can spot a fastball on the outside corner and throw a breaking pitch near the plate will shut this team down. We need to change the approach at the plate and start to become better hitters. I would rather have a bunch of guys hitting 275 or better with less homers than a bunch of goofy trying to park one and hitting 214. Don't you f***ing get it, Ervin Santana is a STUD. In all seriousness, there was no excuse for last night to get beat like that. Someone needs to find out when the last time was that the best team in baseball got beat in a complete game shutout by a pitcher making his second career start. Wait, I bet its never happened.

QUOTE(thomsonmi @ May 24, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) There's been so much talk about how Santana sucks because he was bombed in his first outing I thought I'd do some research for myself. Baseball America ranks Santana as the Angels #7 prospect and many others write pretty glowing scouting reports on him, like the one below. My point here is that everyone should step back from the ledge. Top Prospect alert - Ervin Santana By Schuyler Dombroske DOB: 1/10/83, Age: 20, Height: 6’3’’, Weight: 160, Bats: R, Throws: R. Acquired: Angels – Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2000. 2002 Stats: (Low-A – Cedar Rapids) 14-6, 4.18 ERA, 147 IP, 133 H, 10 HR, 48 BB, 146 K. 2003 Stats: (High-A – Rancho Cucamonga) 10-2, 2.53 ERA, 125 IP, 98 H, 9 HR, 36 BB, 130 K; (AA – Arkansas) 1-1, 3.94 ERA, 30 IP, 23 H, 4 HR, 12 BB, 23 K. The artist formerly known as Johan Santana was one of the top sleeper prospects in baseball at the beginning of the year, but his rapid ascent this year, along with his Futures game selection, has likely ended his time "under the radar". Santana is an absolute stringbean of a pitcher, weighing in around 160 pounds despite his 6’3" frame. What he lacks in mass, however, he makes up for in arm speed. Santana has been clocked as high as 97 mph, and routinely throws 92-95. He also has a nasty slider that is getting better very quickly, and a changeup that, as with most young pitchers, is rather inconsistently effective. For a power pitcher (especially a young one), Santana’s control is good. He walked almost exactly three batters per nine innings last season at Cedar Rapids, and has cut that number by just over 0.1 this year. In each season he has struck out almost a batter an inning, so his K/BB ratio is over 3.0, which is an extremely positive figure for a pitcher his age. As clear as it is that Santana has electric stuff and well above average command of it, it is equally clear that he still is learning how to pitch. A pitcher with his stuff and command should never allow double figures in homers in a minor league season, but Santana has done that both last year and this year. If Single-A guys can take you 375 feet, you can bet your bippy that the big leaguers won’t find it all that difficult either. Other than that issue, Santana is as exciting a pitching prospect as there is in baseball right now. The name change combined with his participation in "Agegate" (he aged roughly ten months) has continued to suppress his prospect status, but he is clearly one of the top pitching prospects in the minors. If you look at the prospect handbook, it says he has two average to above average pitches in the fastball and slider and that his changeup has a chance to be average. Not a very glowing review. Also he is not ranked anywhere in the top 100 prospects by Baseball America. Also, Cleveland, the WORST hitting team in the AL, nailed him.

We got shut out by a turd, just face it and move on. We got beat due to our approach, not Ervin. Time to make some adjustments and go the opposite way and quit trying to hit everything into the left field seats. Also Crede and Timo were horrible in the field as they shouldn't have even scored those two early runs.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 24, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) At this point, I'm almost waiting to see what f***ing Greg Norton could do. Norton, you're the greatest!

QUOTE(beck72 @ May 24, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) But Polanco would be a vet I'd like playing in the playoffs over Ozuna Playoffs? We can't even win a fricking series on the west coast and this guy is talking about the playoffs? Playoffs?

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 24, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) Anyone that could be a decent replacement for Cruddy's horrible ass in the lineup would be fine with me. Polanco is a career .293 AVG / .338 OBP hitter. That blows away anything Cruddy could do. He can also steal a few bags and isn't a base-clogger like Cruddy is. Polanco can even lay down a goddamn bunt. If he can play a good 3rd base, he would definately fit the team concept of speed and defense.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 24, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) Is Polanco that much of an upgrade over Ozuna at this point? Yes, hell I could see them benching Crede and going with Polanco.

As well as we are playing, I really don't see a need for 2 more years....yet.

Just admit you made the wrong choice and move on. Sometimes this guy is a mental midget and then after the game he just can't admit that he flat out blew it with a dumb decision. In this case, he put in Vizcaino, who we all knew would piss the bed. Hell I called it in the chat the minute they brought him in. B-Mac coulda finished the inning, bottom line. Hopefully our manager learns to admit his mistakes in the future, otherwise he is going to have a catastrophic blowup at some point when the team isn't doing so well.