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For an ace pitcher with 2.3 years control at the height of their contention window? I don’t think so. If you can argue guys like Beavers and Norby are worth ace pitchers then you can argue they can provide that depth missing if you gave up a couple of the higher end ones. Even if the O’s traded Holliday and Mayo that would still leave them with ample positional depth over the next five plus years Sure they could just trade for someone like Flaherty, but i don’t see how giving up good prospects for a pending free agent versus pitchers such as Crochet or Fedde, who are both significantly outproducing him and under longer control at considerably more reasonable rates of pay, makes any sense when the O’s are in position to win over the next couple years.

I don’t expect the Sox to just give Fedde away either, nor any other team with a similarly quality arm. This is a seller’s market, holmes. There are about sixteen other teams in playoff contention you know, and Fedde’s value with that contract is not low either

I don’t know. I’m not convinced by RolleTide. There’s only so man spots in the lineup, at some point you’d think Elias realize it would be better to convert some of them into high end major leaguers, and the brew crew can’t trade them Burnes for an underwhelming return again.

Yeah well my argument is that it isn’t symptomatic of anything since this move in and of itself has virtually zero impact on Wilson’s value. If some team is interested in adding Wilson to help fill out the back of their bullpen, sending Wilson down temporarily doesn’t change that. Maybe they have a trade worked out for Kopech, they want Wilson to get some rest, and Wilson is back in a few days when they complete that trade, for example. Other pitchers would have to be dfa’d

There’s no urgent reason to necessarily trade Wilson at the deadline though. He would most likely have value next year as well. Could be the Sox have further moves lined up and Wilson is back in a week, in which case this would have virtually zero impact on his trade value at this trade deadline anyway. Seems like a lot of gnashing of teeth over nothing to me. Whether we get some B-/C+ prospect for him now or later I would argue is a pretty minor considerations. It’s not like they dfa’d him

Receiving one of the most dominant starters in the game, who is getting paid 800k at the moment, for 2.3 years, isn’t getting blown away? What do the O’s expect, the Sox to just hand out candy?

According to fip, if you give up four doubles off the wall and strikeout three to get out of the inning, you just had an outstanding inning whereas if you give up a solo homerun and get of the inning on three weakly hit infield dribblers you had a bad inning, even though you gave up 1/3 of the runs and got hammered 1/4 the amount of times. That’s why it doesn’t make sense. FIP isn’t a particularly sound measure since it concludes that since fielding may have an impact on some plays, that all fielded balls are irrelevant when it comes to the measure of the quality of pitching. Which is clearly ludicrous. I mean it’s still an interesting stat, but way too much credence given to it when its entire premise, that fielded balls are irrelevent, is completely unsound.

Need to get a KBO pitching coach. They are making excellent major league starters out of formerly extremely mediocre mlb pitchers. And that’s being generous in Suarez’s case

How the hell do you not like Fedde? Dude’s a pitcher’s pitcher. Love watching that guy pitch

Just have to wait until he’s in the Dodger rotation

He has power though

Zavala was ranked 4th in Padres system by MLB pipeline at one point

WestEddy

MLB Pipeline might be the worst of the major prospect rankings

Zavala is way more than a 40 prospect. Depending on the source, the Sox did acquire three top 100 prospects. Baseball America for example had Iriarte ranked as high as 100 and Zavala in the 70s.

Pillars don’t get benched

I think third is his weakest position. He’s played way more at second and shortstop

Damn I did’t realize Bo was so racist

No, you are inferring it from his posts. He would be conferring it, if that is indeed the case. Inference is done by the recipient

Two years of service time were essentially wasted

It’s not that he would have been where he is now sooner, it’s that he’d be where he is now with like two years less service time.

Maybe he wants the babies

On May 22, 2022 TA was sporting a slash line of .359/.400/.517. Then the story about TA saying Josh Donaldson’s calls him Jackie went national and he hit .246/.283/.286 the rest of the way, with 1 HR and 6 RBI. Then followed with the disastrous last two years. Bizarre

Nah there was a thread (at least one) with people specifically claiming there is no way he can physically handle more than 75 or 80 innings

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