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i like this move, low risk high reward move. i just hope that the sox will pickup another SP in the offseason still. they might not, considering they just added to the rotation with Turner.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) I live in Denver (and, as a disclaimer, spend my time at microbreweries, not dispensaries). Yeah, the 16th Street Mall in downtown has vagrants, but it's always had vagrants. And the commercial real estate market in Denver is absolutely being driven by the marijuana industry (per a recent report, 1 in 11 commercial buildings in Denver are used for marijuana). The bankers have issues with it because banks have to deal with the conflict between federal and state law (lending where the collateral is being used in contravention of federal law - there are actually a lot of interesting legal cases dealing with the conflict between state and federal law). It's a positive from a state revenue standpoint. It's a positive for jobs and the real estate market. Changing the law now would shutter lots businesses, leave tons of commercial properties empty, shut down a reliable source of state revenue - revenue that funds education keeping that burden away from property taxes - and would have a horrible economic impact on the state... and that will happen in more states.... as they start seeing the positiveness of this.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 05:07 PM) http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...016-draft-class nice find.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) McNeil yes, Danault no. Danault might replace Kruger next year if Kruger gets too expensive. The only hard player on this team that is difficult to trade is Bickell. don't take this the wrong way. any player who the hawks feel they will not be able to unload, it is a way of sweetening the pot. for this discussion, i will use bickell, one of my 3 players i would like to unload. mcneil, danault, bickell and if needed a 2 rounder. the idea is to a. get bickell and his 4 mil off the books, b. open space on the team for some player knocking on the door. for this discussion, i really like Tik and i will think he will do fine. is it an over payment..... hell yeah, but it is needed to get that team to eat 4 mil. now to find a team who would want to help the 3 x SC winning team..... this reminds me of the ice cube in hell cliche'

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 05:11 PM) Getting a look at what these young kids can do this year (Baun, Hinostroza, Kero, Dano eventually) will give the Hawks options for next year. I think Bickell, Shaw, and Garbutt will be gone next year if these kids do anything positive. Maybe even Kruger gone as well with Danault in the pipeline (recovering from hip surgery) you bring up a very interesting point. i like to think that the hawks, now esp in the beginning of the season, can give this young players some seasoning by playing in nhl games. esp if they hold there own this new kid coming up, he is real skilled according to his profiles, the hawk have him, some new blood will need to start replacing some of the older players, esp in the playoff if their is an injury. it is a win - win situation. he is 23 yr old, played in the mens league in sweden and he is ready to play in the nhl. i really hate to say this, Stan should really try to trade mcneil with danault in a pkg with a hard to trade player.... hell even throw in a draft pick

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) I lied Kasich is probably the only one that isn't a nutter. Maybe Jeb too. Bush family...... neil bush http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/02/16/6...on-Fraud-Scheme http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/bush...y_and_the_s.htm last one good reading. lets not forget prescott bush.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) that said, where do you see this discounted price that you are speaking of? Did Mattingly infer it in his comments about the league adjusting to him? Waiting with bated breath. i am not taking sides in this discussion. i just want to make an observation. Puig is still an unknown and now with some of the things about him that may come out, not willing to make any changes to his swing or approach, or anything like that. well he may be a person who will be sold low. however, many teams who think they can make some minor adjustment or the fact that he is too talented to sell low, the dodgers still may ask a kings ransom. no one will know until the off season is in full swing.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 02:15 AM) I wish we step through a wormhole and see what happened if JFK served a full 8 years followed by 8 for Bobby. No idea what would have happened, but it's a damn safe bet they wouldn't be remembered as fondly as they are now. i had to do something like this in college in the 70's. you forgot Teddy K will then be next. but there will be no more vietnam conflict, the CIA would have been shut down, a new intelligence dept would be there. no iran contra, i wonder if russia would have collapse?? wow the domino effect would be endless.

QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 10:52 PM) No doubt about that Jerry is loyal to a fault. Thats why keeping the payroll near identical while bringing back fan and personal favorites like Mark and AJ make a lot of sense all the while not gutting the farm system they've been building up recently that is starting to produce results. yeah the owners are really loyal, that is not a lie. but i really don't think they are dumb..... ref to aj. my problems with the owners are plentiful but i will not rehash it. i see the northside and what they have done and look at the sox, in a couple of years, all the fandom that is the sox will be diminishing or converting to the northside. fans loves a winner.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 10:53 PM) Where are the best and brightest? The John Kennedys, the Hubert Humphreys, the Bobby Kennedys? Where have they gone? No, LDF. Right now it's whoever is a Democrat and whoever the public sees as entitled to take the participation trophy. Hillary has pissed off a ton of people. Why doesn't the Washington Post or NY Times tackle the Hillary personality issue? They won't go there cause they want her to win. ok i was really not going to bite.... but what the hell.... greg, i like most of your post. but on this one, pls take your head out of the dem vs rep party and look at it this way. regardless of which party...... and look at it with both eyes. the candidates are nothing compared to what was out there. the topics are safe topics and empty promises on fixing the economics of the US. the medical topics and the global problems of the world. whoop to do, will anyone do it??? now the candidate has to be charismatic, media friendly, good face value on camera, good pr and last but not least be teflon durable. that is the state of today's politics. this is what i believe, that is why i was staying out of it, but failed. i know i will get hammered esp by those who are lying in to jump. but that is ok, i hate the politics of the US. but that is what we have.

QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 11:12 PM) Thanks another little spreadsheet I just did comparing my off the napkin WAR to steamers in this scenario. Again i have that team on the low end coming in at 39WAR. Steamer has that same team with extrapolation for playing time coming in at...36.9 That would still put us in the playoff pitcher. no need to say thanks, i was being honest..... honestly. but where i like you stuff, it all might mean nothing. the reason is, the sox org will do what the owner wants done.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Our country is bizarre. We're fixated on electing and re-electing members of the Clinton and Bush families. In a country of all these people, the masses flock to these families. You guys mock me sometimes, but I'm telling you, Michelle Obama should be gearing up to run in 8 years after Hillary is done. As well as Chelsea. Michelle probably would win in a landslide. Chelsea probably would win if Michelle doesn't run. There have to be some more Bush family members that can run as well. I'm very disappointed in our country. The Presidency shouldn't be so easy to win just cause of your name. Where are the best and brightest? It's all the same familes or rich people who get a kick out of running. I like Carson right now, but he's basically a bored rich guy running. Of course Trump's just doing it to further his brand and feed his ego. All the politician types are too boring or weird to even make a splash. reelecting and all that whole description of being bizarre. that is water down effect, instead of asking for the candidate to mean something, to have a plan, a viable plan, someone who can strap this nation and its politics on their back and carry it forward. it not there. now it is who doesn't piss off the most people.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 09:34 PM) Yeah, it takes away from him. He's not running for head of neurosurgery. what you are talking about is common sense. that part of the brain is what most brilliant people are missing. that is remedy with a staff. but that is if people are looking at the IQ to judge and pick the president.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 10:14 PM) Beyond neurosurgery, Dr. Carson seems to be a complete dunce. but does that take away from him??? he is still brilliant. even revolutionize some surgery and he went to nite school to get his education. i really recommend his movie that HBO did on him. but look at it this way, he is not sitting on his accomplishment to sell himself.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) I'll say again, your list from earlier didn't even include the guy who I'd bet on winning the GOP nomination. It's not Carson, or Trump, or any of the others you listed. i will be honest here. i was really trying to stay out of this and therefore i was not keeping up with crap, concerning the presidential race. let say i really have a skewed way of looking into this. this is all on me. but i was watching GMA and i saw Dr Carson and this was the first i saw it. i just hope i can just drop this little bit of enthusiasm soon. lets also be honest, he hasn't even held office. has that ever happen before. from the Rep side, ahhh screw it. i leave it like that.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 06:18 PM) That really is good stuff beautox. Like Eminor, I just think you slighted the other teams the Sox were trading with. yeah i agree, like i said this was great work tox did, but to be brutally honest, i may not agree on all he wrote, but i still like it. thinking outside the box.....

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 06:46 PM) So overtime is must watch TV now. yeah if i can stay up, i would definitely be getting it. i know some players are struggling but the hawks are finding ways to win. i am starting to get a good feeling about this.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) The media is more focused on the fact that behind Carson's syrupy prose, the content is quite frightening. He has shown to be full-on ignorant of world affairs, and while Trump's public statements have been abrasive, Carson's have at times been outright offensive. He just doesn't get as much flash and dash out of it because he isn't screaming. and you make a very good point which i was, in a way trying to say the same thing without your command of the king's language. but at the end of the day, it will come down to race. it doesn't matter on what opinion anyone may have on Trump. beyond the race card, Dr. Carson is a brilliant man. i just don't see anyone coming out of the Rep party who could challenge him. ref the the flash and screaming, all that will do is paint a negative picture. he doesn't need to do that. but i don't know, some of his ideas, i am wondering if he is in the wrong party..... just my opinion.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 05:18 PM) Jon Quick does that a lot. It's not a penalty if it's ruled "accidental" according to the official rule. I imagine it would be hard for an official to judge it purposeful during a full speed play, and that can't be reviewed. i know, the can't be reviewed would be the answer, well maybe in most cases. i remember, before it was a penalty and a penalty shot. then in the 80's it was a goal if the net wasn't pulled off before it crossed the line. for me, and again, i am watching it on review, it was a crap call.

wow. i was watching good morning america and saw that Dr. Ben Carson was running. anyone remember who he is?? HBO made a movie about him , gifted hands. well, the one problem i have is, what other political post has he had, beside touring on public speaking. however, i like him for 2 reasons. 1. he has a legit game plan since 2014. he wants to see some positive things done, some of which i agree with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson#Economic_issues 2. and i hate to pull the minority card here, but it is a great move to split the minority vote that usually goes for the Dem's with Dr. Carson. think about it, he is brilliant and will be running against Hillary . the dem's usually have the majority of the minority votes, i can see the rep getting into this area. now comes what the dems need to do, if it is Clinton running, they need to make the announcement really quick of her Vice pres. the only move will be getting a minority. either the hispanic twin from TX or either of the 2 african americans in the north east states. now this election is going to get very interesting.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) I agree. Example: Sox get young MLB bats (or an mlb bat and position player prospects close to mlb) for Quintana. Go on to draft pitching with first 3 picks. there has been some names i have been looking at.... something like "thinking outside the box" and they are pitchers. for me, i like college players. i also see a possible 2 catchers being there at #10, whether one of them remains at catcher going forward, who knows. all i know i can't wait until the college season starts and see how things panned out.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 26, 2015 -> 01:51 AM) Yea, that's the problem. The system has a lot of guys who have the ceiling of an average major league player, but lack impact players. We have one guy who you can legitimately say has a chance to be an all-star position player (Anderson) and while his ceiling is certainly very high, he is also super risky. Pitching wise, we have solid arms (like usual). I would say in the pitching department, we are easily a top-10 system. Hitting wise, we are bottom 10, maybe bottom 5. i agree with your statement and NSS comment on elite hitters. except for 1 player in the minors, i don't see a viable 3b after him. the team needs to weed out the false gold like players and be creative in this offseason.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) Unfortunate that he didn't address one single issue that Sox fans are concerned about today regarding the state of his franchise (of course he may have agreed to the interview only under certain conditions, he has done so in the past...) Basically a fluff piece. Mark i totally agree for 2 reasons. i know posters know how i feel on the owners. 1. it was a shot of letting all know of the sox winning the WS 10 yrs ago and the decade celebration. 2. at the same time trying to give the sox's faithful something to think about, and trying to take away from the northside team making the playoff, have an excellent farm system and adding to the system with another potential gem signing from the int't signing.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 26, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) Since moving into USCF, if the Sox don't hit HR, they lose. I wouldn't mind the Sox getting Hamilton if they changed the rules and you could steal 1B. classic

QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) I've been thinking a lot this post season since my last offseason plan and this is what i think is both realistic and likely, looking forward to some spirited conversation with regards to this post. Last year the sox were 1st in the AL in fWAR for starting pitching(4th overall) and 7th for relieving(16th overall) total pitching the sox were 3rd in the AL(9th overall), and dead last for hitting. Seeing how around 40WAR got you into the post season this year and how at the all star break we were still in it, there is hope to be had. I would tender contracts to all ARB eligible players: Flowers, Garcia, Jones, Putnam & Jennings. Next I would decline Ramirez's option and pay the 1M buy out. With the free agents to be I would QO Samardzija, knowing he is going to decline, re-sign geovany soto for 2 years 6M and let Albers who was solid for us walk and beckham to never be heard from again. I think a certain subset of our fanbase would be very excited if we brought back the following players and if they're useful why not. Sign Mark Buehrle for 6.5M provided hes healthy and wants to play one more year. Sign AJ Pierzynski to a two year 7M deal with a 500k buy out. Lastly i would sign Steve Pearce to a 4M deal possibly with an additional option. I would look to make the following trades: C Tyler Flowers to Seattle for SS Brad Miller - Hahn has actively been trying to upgrade this spot for quite some time and the mariners are desperate for catching help since Zunino hasn't panned out. By installing Flowers as their catcher that is a swing of 1.2WAR, -.8 to .4WAR. Miller in the outfield has been a disaster for the M's and he isn't going to supplant Cano or Marte. Miller is a slighty above average defender at SS and 2B and can out produce Alexei for 1/20th of the cost. RHP Erik Johnson, OF Avisail Garcia & RHP Spencer Adams for 3B Martin Prado & OF Marcell Ozuna - Miami need young cheap pitching Johnson provides that and Loria has consistently shown a propensity for not wanting to pay anyone more than league minimum, taking all of Prado's salary and their outspoken outfielder in Ozuna solves some of their issues while giving them a lottery ticket in Avisail to play in left and a promising young arm in Adams in addition to 11M freed up to pay someone like Juan Uribe this offseason. Loria is on record saying he would trade Ozuna and Ozuna has had a down year in addition to being upset about how his major league service has been handled. LHP John Danks + 6M, 2B Micah Johnson & OF Courtney Hawkins for RHP Braden Shipley, LHP Cody Reed & UT Phil Gosselin - John Danks would've ranked second in fWAR and innings pitched on the d-backs staff, they've got some great young arms coming up but they need an inning eating stalwart to break their staff in. Johnson replaces Chris Owings at second base while fitting into their aggressive strategy on the base paths (2nd in SB overall in the league) and Hawkins is a change of scenery candidate going to a system that has had a lot of success in developing young hitters. Shipley appears to be a possible 3/4 on a staff in a year and a half, possibly two, Reed has a lot of potential but has issues with conditioning and is a long way away and Gosselin is a solid utility player. 1B Adam LaRoche for RHP Jonathan Papelbon. This is a bad contract / "cancer" swap, both are FAs after '16. LaRoche goes back to a place where he has had modest success backing up the oft injured Zimmerman and providing a left handed bat off the bench. The nats rid themselves of Papelbon and the sox get a high leverage reliever with a chip on his shoulder. Payroll comes in at approximately at $115.46M; thats including Alexei's buy out, dead money from Bonifacio & Peavy and the 6M sent along with Danks to Arizona. Less than the $118.8 from last year. Some believe the sox payroll can reach 130M, put me in that camp as well but the only long shot FA I would remotely pursue would be Jason Heyward and additional veteran 5th and 6th starter types to store at AAA in case of emergency or if Montas falls on his face. I firmly believe that Thompson has the possibility to be like Brandon Crawford and Randal Grichuk; a tools player made good on said tools even with mediocre minor league results. Moving Eaton and cementing Trayce in centerfield while adding Ozuna and relegating melky to DH and 5th outfielder drastically improves the defense; the amount that Cabrera, Eaton and Garcia gave away out there is sickening. The fact that the sox had the best starting pitching by fWAR in the AL is a testament to the staffs ability and why maybe we shouldn't be moving any of them and should be supplementing them with better defense across the diamond. Moving Cabrera who was -15 in defense to DH(-17.5) full time would barely be a decrease in his value at this point. Miller provides the sox with at the very least a utility man and bridge to Anderson with the potential for a solid regular to replace Sanchez if he falters. Understandably a lot of people are skeptical of Carlos Sanchez, but he is only 23 years old and a switch hitter. The fact that he had even modest success at the major league level in the second half should be very telling, the organization loves his glove and his bat should come along. Young hitters take a while, it is even more pronounced in switch hitters especially power. Carlos could be a fixture for the sox for a long time to come and I would like to see the sox give him a very long leash. This is some back of the napkin math and I look forward to hearing what others think with regards to what realistic expectations for WAR could be going into next year and defensive rating(this will be very crude and simple). DH - Melky - 1-1.5 WAR, if he is capable of producing his second half the sox will be in fine shape at DH. Defensively D- C - AJ & Geo - 1.5-2.5 WAR and C defensively I think we're looking at average and in the same area as Grandal and Lucroy and slightly above Flowers himself. 1B - Abreu - 4 WAR somewhere between his first and second full year and inline with his second half. D- defensively but luckily in this offseason plan we've got Steve Pearce to back him up late in the game and provide pop off the bench. 2B - Sanchez - 1.5-2WAR this him just duplicating his second half of the season and growing. A- Defensively SS - Miller - 1.5-2WAR putting him back at shortstop and a change of scenery could do him wonders. B- Defensively. 3B - Prado - 2.5-3WAR leaving him at 3B along with a wRC+ of 100 would do wonders for this team, in addition to coming to a more hitter friendly ballpark. A+ Defensively. LF - Eaton - 3.5-5WAR by moving him to left field his defense plays up we could be looking at an Alex Gordon like player if his second half is a precursor. Defensively in CF C- in LF B-. CF - Thompson - 2-3WAR I stand by why I think Trayce makes the step forward. Defensively A. RF - Ozuna - 1.5-3WAR a change of scenery could be what he needs to get back to the promise he previously showed. B Defensively. SP - Sale - 6-8WAR if ever there was a Kershaw clone we're blessed to have him on the team. SP - Quintana - 4.5-6WAR Continues to do a better impression of Andy Pettitte link. SP - Buehrle - 1.5-2WAR if he is willing and healthy no reason to think he wouldn't be a great addition to this team and give a certain segment of fans something to be excited about, plus he can retire a white sox at the end of the year. SP - Rodon - 2-4WAR I personally believe he reduces his BB/9 closer to league average and takes off and never looks back SP - Montas - 1.5-2WAR another young arm that will need to reduce his BB/9 to be successful, last year he threw just shy of 130IP I think the sox push him to the 150-160 mark. Bench Sans Geo (Saladino, Pearce & Gosselin) - 1.5-2WAR first time in a long time its a younger athletic bench that should offer some interesting traits offensively. Bullpen - 3-4.5WAR there is potential upside with Jones, Papelbon, Duke and even Robertson. On the low end this team looks like its capable of producing 39WAR right on the cusp of the playoffs and with plenty of money to spend midseason on acquisitions one way or another, with some maturation(Sanchez, Thompson, Ozuna & Montas) and possible break outs(Eaton, Quintana & Rodon) the sox could be in the thick of it. geez..... talk about a lot of hard work in this. i nominate this as post of the yr. great work.