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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 10:02 PM) What is your alternative? i remember this saying from a movie. but it is appropriate right now. the only alternative is one that no one really want to think of.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) i wouldn't know, i am just talking about them leaving the community, i also heard a lot are going to colleges and to continue with something to get a phd or something. to teach. Colleges in the St of LA

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:46 PM) And now people want to add XX tens of millions to those numbers of people with worthless degrees and few jobs to fill them. And neither Clinton nor Sanders have really explained how they plan to pay for it. it is the rep vs the demo and as long as they keep trying to point the finger and that is their platform, pointing the finger ..... nothing well ever get fixed. accept it. the mass public attention span is 2 weeks. ronald reagan.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) There's actually a pretty big glut of lawyers out there right now. There was a big boom of law school openings and enrollment in the 2000's. Sometimes, what's the "hot new field" when you start college isn't looking so great 5-10 years later and you can struggle to find work. And it's also somewhat of a zero-sum game; if everyone goes and gets a STEM degree, the job market will be flooded with people looking for STEM jobs, depressing wages for everyone and leaving some unable to find a matching job at all. here was a community research done by the mayor last yr in our community. we have a huge push for a need in young men and women in the oil industry. but if you have a police record, forget about it. now the us / oil industry is getting asian people, south aftricans, phillipines and anywhere else to fill these positions. over 10,000 last yr alone making at least 70 k's per. all the while lawyers has a mass exodus of them leaving to the bigger cities.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Student loan debt is a huge problem for lawyers and doctors. There are jobs out there, but the top maybe 5% of law school graduates get the big firm jobs that pay a lot (and have plenty of other downsides). I make a solid wage, but the effective rate of the income is significantly reduced because of the law school debt I'm carrying. As to the other stuff, entry level jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require a college degree. And that includes jobs like "administrative assistant." So while there are jobs out there, it's tough to repay student loans on an entry level salary of below $30k annually. If you don't standout in college, or you aren't majoring in a specialized field (many examples already in this thread), you are getting entry level work at low pay. and with the huge amount of casinos in my area, there are a huge market for the ladies of the evening, so to speak. teachers and nurses take side jobs here to get a way to make ends meet.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 09:23 PM) Their are massive amounts of jobs and a major need for nursing so I can comment on that. Similarly, I think their are major needs for doctors. That said, just cause you want to be a DR, doesn't mean you can be, most people aren't smart enough and even if you are, their are plenty who are smart enough but don't want to be doctors (and instead want to be engineers or lawyers or whatever else). Similarly I think their are still a lot of lucrative jobs in the areas of IT security / programming and I would think IT security is just going to continue to get more lucrative (data / network security is critical to prevent the negative PR blunders that come with data breaches, let alone the actual impacts from data breaches or hackers shutting down networks). ref nurses.... and i am talking about sw tx and LA. the hospital are hiring cna or nurses that are but several yrs with their degree. they the hospital are trying to max out the profits of billing. i know b/c i have many friends who mother's had degrees and now do not have a job for what ever reason, doctors offices does the same thing. teachers.... that is even worst in LA... the country lost education per st.... b/c of what the schools want to pay teachers. but LA is the sport man capital and they all love hunting, fishing, drinking....

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) Okay.. can we officially let go of what the majority of posters thought pre 2015? It didn't work out.. Moving forward, what reason is there for fans to believe that 2015 was an anomaly, or that the franchise magically figured out how to correct what didn't work in 2015? I believe that this franchises' best efforts in 2016, with Robin coming back, Hahn coming back, KW coming back.. a reshuffling of the roster by the "brain trust" (and I use that term loosely) will result in and around a .500 record…and yes, that's an improvement over 2015, but I can't see myself bowing at the shrine of Kenny Williams and the shrine of the 2005 WS trophy over a mediocre, tired franchise… The ONLY factor directly related to my interest in the Sox is come the day, their cage gets seriously rattled, people are held accountable.. and I can watch a game without the thought of what the hell happened to my favorite team since most of the fans who read this, are in no position to recommend anything. like they the owners will listen to us. at the end of the day, we as fans, die hard fans will have to suffer thru this and continue to biittch . what more can be done.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) Would you get off of this already? The White Sox spending is not the problem. They gave out $122.8 million in new contracts last offseason and somehow that's not enough for you? And not to mention that the majority of their core is locked up for at least the next 4 years. They had the 16th highest team salary in baseball despite being 26th in attendance. Do you really want the Sox to give out a contract like Scherzer got in which the Nationals are going to be paying him $15 million annually for 7 years after he leaves the team? so out of all these posters who post on the recurring item you choose.... unless you are the owner of this site, deal with it or block me.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) Step one: Hire a professional manager. while i like what you are saying, i will go this route, step 1 hire a professional, experience president / gm with a track record of success. step 2 let him convince the owners to loosen their purse strings.......

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) the missing ingredient in this equation is that the Cubs addressed their suckage…as did the Bears.. as did the BlackHawks… the White Sox? they will continue to ride 2005…it's an embarrassment…. There can't be a franchise is sports that is more out of touch with it's fan base than the White Sox… Ive gotten a good half dozen mass marketing emails from the Sox pimping their party suites, or this and that.. and I always respond with.. "you guys figure out a way to put a better product on the field and I'll be happy to come to park and spend my money" ..their response? more generic marketing emails… The entire franchise needs to be re invented.. that's the only hope of the Sox maintaining any relevancy in this town….in reality the chances of that are slim to none.. intstead, Reinsdorf and his band of crusty old investors will try to trot out the same old same old with Kenny Williams and Hahn tap dancing their way into spinning positive in the media with some psycho babble about this or that convoluted plan… Bottom line..Going back now to the end of 2012.. things have not worked out.. and the Sox have no answers.. do they really believe that surrounding Abreu and Sale with a cavalcade of scrubs is gonna bring people to the park…? i am going to use this post to continue my thought process. how will the sox FO going to over come this build up if they really don't do something drastic now??? will some of the sox fans grudgingly change teams, b/c of the total ineptness of the sox FO.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) They did sell more tickets than last season, and an overwhelming majority of posters here thought the moves they made last winter made them a contender if you look at the prediction thread. yeah and i believe i was the worst one predicting something like 90+ wins. but no matter what, for my defense, if one would take away that horrible start of the season, it may be a different look. also remember just going and saying add so many wins and subtract the loses. this is the record. that is not the whole picture. it adds but the emotions involve in the winning and the attitude would have change, then down the line different things would also change , esp in shark pitching right after the ASG. but oh well, it didn't happen and i really hate the what if scenario .

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) I don't think this team was good enough for us fans to point our finger at Robin an say it was his fault. While I didn't like how he used some of the players (LaRoche an others) or how bad the team started the season (which I think had something to do with our coaches and mgr.) I can't put the blame on Robin. I don't think any mgr. could of gotten us any more than a couple more wins at most, which by the way would have cost us the protected pick. The players themselves need to take responsibility for their sloppy play. Hahn made some good sound moves that didn't pan out for some reason. The stats all lined up for us to be a much better team than they showed. The team just didn't play good fundamental ball an I think thats on the players. when i am talking about the sox favorite sons, i am referring to all of the ones that the owners keep around when other teams would have launch them. i am not solely putting the blame on Robin's shoulders, but he is a contributing part of it.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) I watched a decent amount of the Cubs/Cards series. This was my first look at the Cubs all season. My observations based on this series is that the Cubs resurgence is having good offense, good defense, good starting pitching( but aged) and a good bullpen. I have seen Maddon for many years both in Tampa as well as living in New England and watching the Red Sox. I think he is a very good manager. Can the White Sox make a turnaround like the Cubs did?? The White Sox have very good starting pitching( also young), below average offense and defense and I think w Jones back a good bullpen. #1 --- I think Ventura needs to go. Looking at the Cubs roster, the Sox are really behind offensively.the Cubs have a solid group of 4-6 young position players. We may only have a couple in Abreu and Eaton. I have no clue what the Cubs have in the minors for pitching coming up but the Sox have limited offense on the horizon. So I think the White Sox will move either Q or Rodon and try and get 2 solid players back in return. That would weaken our SP to good but would be a big step in getting the offense and hopefully the defense improved. I don't see him trading w the Cubs but there will be plenty of trade partners for Hahn. I was glad to see Theo go as I hate the Red Sox. But I do admire the work he has done to assemble teams in Boston and now Chicago. Hopefully Hahn is able to do the same. Theo tended to struggle finding pitching in the draft w Boston so they used trades and FA to build staffs. But he always found offensive talent. It looks like the Cubs are taking the same approach. Cubs, Red Sox, Tigers, Indians , Astros, Cards etc all have added young studs in the infield the last few years. The White Sox have to make a smart trade and get a couple of studs for one of their young stud pitchers ref the bold, the biggest problem the sox have and will continue to have is the favoritism that is ragging in the FO. the owners favorite son |s| will never be let go. this is the best in the FO will do, no matter what comes.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) The only thing that can be done is to invade and kill millions of people. If you disagree, you are Neville Chamberlain. Hitler. and since you have this answer, what will you do???

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Folks: Back in 2010 I took a month to research, conduct interviews both by phone and in person and tried to put into context the relationship the White Sox have had with the media in general and specifically to the point in Chicago. It was a lot of work but I'm really proud of the way these stories turned out. Given how it appears the relationship is going to change again (and not for the good of the Sox) I thought some of you may want to read these to get a historical sense of what has happened in the past. Again these were written and published in September 2010. I hope you'll enjoy reading them but keep in mind these are LONG stories. http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...y=2&id=4060 http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...y=2&id=4066 Mark i am sorry and i am sure they are great articles, but i will not go to the other sox sport site. it is on me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) What, put up a record well below .500 for 5 straight seasons and miss the playoffs constantly for nearly a decade? Too. Late. Already did that. Yeah, tiny bit different, 4 losing seasons out of 5 instead of 5 straight, but with a longer playoff drought. If the White Sox did something like that it would totally destroy the franchise. and if they, the sox FO doesn't do something drastic they are on the verge of doing just that. blaming the fans, as they blamed the fans for the sox not having the money, blaming the fans for not coming out to the games so they can get the money, blaming the fans for being forced to get player xyz b/c the org doesn't have the money. how many times are the sox management going to blame the fans....??? this team has a great and small group of dedicated fans, this group of owners had a chance to change the fan based for baseball in chi, not once but 3x's and screwed it up. however this last time, this one may be the big one, if the northside has any success in the playoff, keep picking up and signing int't fa, surpassing the so call salary limits, sign some major FA's and lastly have the same owners willing to spend to front the money to improve the overall product. they will get even bigger and better and have that fan base become to become the next sport product of chi right after the hawks. all the while the sox owners are sitting on their arse debating on whether the fans will come out and how not to spend money that eat away their profits.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Who's handwaving? You're the one who consistently compares them, when nobody can operate like the Cubs do. i disagree. many teams can do that and do operate as the northsiders. the problem is the fans, ths so called fans who wants to argue the point will always point to the built in excusee, the sox don't have the money.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/scoutboard.aspx?d...e=2&pos=all well that one is an interesting list. i really don't know what to say about it.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 09:25 PM) Isn't that what they have been trying to do for the last nine years? Not trying to be snide or sarcastic but this sounds like more of the same that hasn't worked. Commit to a plan and stay there come hell or high water. I'd prefer a tear down but at this point I'll take that or a complete 'go for it' charge regardless of how much it costs. Mark first that plan has to be doable. a plan that can see results and have the ability for the sox members to accomplish it. next and i do hate to keep harping on this, i am not trying to be snarky on this one, but they have to have the full commitment from the owners, which also includes the cost or getting it done. reading on mlb rumors, the northside team has a plan now to sign another cuban player and while they are in the playoff, the FO is still working. i really hope the sox FO is doing something. i really have lost faith in the management team.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) I said that this year, his linemates (the two forwards he plays with) are better. You bolded it and said you're unsure if it's correct. Now, you're saying you agree? I'm confused. then i was totally wrong in that, my apologies. i can't remember the point i was going for. sorry.

i am so sick and tired of this b/s ploy that Iran and North Korea keep on doing. hasn't history taught the world anything??? things will repeat it self. look at British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain and his appeasing a certain leader on his aggressive approach to build up his country and the many yrs of that failed effort. that leader was Hitler and the consequences was WW2. the thing is, what can be done about it, short of military response and what of the backlash??

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) He played a lot of 2010 with Dave Bolland. Dave Bolland sucks. regardless of the bolland comment, i was just pointing out that these first 2 lines may be the best the hawks have had in a while. that is all.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 04:43 AM) I've been making a point to look at the other drivers since our roads have a lotta stop signs and I'm tellin u, they appear flustered n miffed that I'm stopping completely. As far as the other posts, remember I am admitting guilt. I am guilty. I just figured at 1 a.m. with a nice record of no tickets the past year or two I'd deserve a little warning. I'm sort of accusing the cop of wanting to raise $140 for city coffers and get a pat on the back for obtaining such money for the city, cause I think that's true. it happens, in my community there is a unwritten rule for the cops to use 1 book of tickets every 2 weeks. now imagine, the police, sheriff and state police. we have all 3 patrolling in our community. but again it goes back to, what can you do, it is the law. you are wasting too much effort to see how the other drivers are reacting. keep it simple.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) I don't want to say he wouldn't, but I don't like when we do the "at this pace" stuff as inevitable. Even if he doesn't get injured he may have had a 2 week pointless streak. It just happens over the course of a season. i agree. the season is what, 80 games not including the playoff. in order to maintain the level of excellent play, it is virtually impossible. now the off games, i guess the players need to minimize mistakes .... but i guess there is ways to be into the game.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 03:13 AM) Last year he gets it if he stays healthy. I'd say he's a better player now than 2010 and his linemates are better. i don't know if the bold is correct. i think he may have a renewed interest in doing better, the off season comes to mind. also, the team first two lines are really more spread out, talent wise. i like to say it is equally deeper. before, there was only 1 mega line, Toews Hossa and Kane, now the hawks can roll out 2 lines that are dangerous and unless a team has two shutdown lines, the other will kill them. now, the hawks also have the excitement of having a very special talent and put that on the same line as kane..... wow. just my 2 cents.