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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) It depends. Money changes the way you operate. Andrew Friedman seems to be a different type of deal maker with the Dodgers than he was with the Rays. He can throw money everywhere and if it doesn't work out, no big deal. I think the biggest advantage with money vs. small market is not necessarily being able to sign the $200 million guys. IMO, it is the ability to hang on to your guys. The teams in perpetual rebuilding develop guys, then they get good so they can't pay them, so they are traded and they have to start the cycle again. That's why I don't understand the people complaining about it being 7 years since the Sox were last in the playoffs, so trade Chris Sale. That suggests waiting another 7. you make a great point but for me, it goes back to spending money wisely, while trying to build up your foundation to succeed. in other words, make it the same mandatory effort in getting players to field the team and build up your farm system. maybe it is a lot to ask for the FO but i believe it can be done.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) If in October of 2005, you had the choice of the White Sox winning the WS and having the next decade go like it has gone, or losing the WS and duplicating the Tigers since then with a WS appearance, and plenty of playoff appearances, but no wins, what do you choose? the WS win....

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:21 PM) Yes. They probably signed him knowing he can get through on waivers, and he already knows the system. many thanks... i just thought of that while writing my response in the post before. excellent !!!! now for the move. i don't know. lets see how he does at rockford.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) It may be unrealistic to "expect" the owner to sell (sadly enough), but it's certainly not unrealistic to "want" him to sell, because believe you me, we need the "post Reinsdorf" era to begin sooner rather than later. 35 years of this ownership, whether you look at the last ten years, the first ten years, or whatever - enough is enough! The organization needs a bold new strategy and vision, because what's been in place is not working, and I don't think after 35 years that Mr. Reinsdorf is capable at this point of doing anything much differently than what he has been doing. Maybe I'm wrong, and if he cares to prove me wrong, I'm certainly open to it, but I don't see that happening. As for your second comment about needing to win vs. just finding baseball "worth watching", well, we have been watching, at least the people who frequent this site. We've been watching for a long time now. Despite the less-than-desirable product we've been presented with for quite some time, we still find it worth watching. Why? Because through it all, we remain Sox fans, through and through. So we are watching. Now the question is, is it too much to ask to sprinkle in a little more winning than has been the case for the past ten years? Is it too much to ask for the opportunity to wave "white socks" like a crazy person at U.S. Cellular Field in mid-October, cheering madly for the team we love, at least more frequently than one or two games per decade? That is the ask here. For those who find this request some form of "whining" or "complaining" or "moaning" or whatever, so be it. Call it what you want. But that's what true White Sox fans crave for their ballclub - success! And by golly, we are not going to stop talking about it until we get it!! excellent... i wish i said that.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 08:18 PM) Anything is possible but I think it would be very hard to do and get away with (just ask Bartolo Colon to cite one example or Alex Rodriguez). Penalties are becoming much tougher, guys are getting to an extent stigmatized. Honestly I don't think many guys at the big league level are willing to risk it now. The Cardinals are the model major league franchise especially in terms of scouting and developing kids. Mark nice... really nice post.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:16 PM) Salary cap. ok i can see that, but why sign him in the first place.... maybe could it be to bring him up in a later date in case of an injury???

did anyone get to listen to the mlb rumor podcast with Hahn today. he was going to discuss the offseason.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) And then put him on waivers here is a question for anyone.... why sign him and expose him to the waivers??

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:50 PM) When we think about how the Cardinals "don't rebuild, they just reload," how much of that reload is based on great scouting and player development and how much of it is based on PEDs? In the early 2000's, the Sox played clean while the rest of the league played dirty. Then MLB decided to clean up its act, and, next thing you know, the White Sox are World Series champs. Case in point, Yadier Molina was supposedly out for the NLDS, and yet he started games 1, 2, and 3. I find that fishy. I don't mind if the Sox are losing, if they are losing clean and the other teams are cheating. I would be seriously pissed if our guys are cheating, too, and still losing! It's easy to become cynical and say that everybody cheats, but Herm Schneider rules that clubhouse with an iron fist. I think he would know if a player is cheating, and I think he would "encourage" the club to get rid of him - see Swisher, Nick. you are making a point with ref to ped. but i would like to maybe change that to how many times has the sox played within the parameters of the rules of the game. the sox has yet to break any rules of overspending in the int'l fa signing. for the longest time the sox didn't overspend in the fa market, b/c of the owners perception of doing the right thing for the game. that second example was lame ... but the team would have had a better foundation to build on, if it wasn't for this. that is why i keep coming back on the inhouse policy of doing things.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) lol. Nice try. i am being honest. i am not petty as some others appear to be. i don't hide in the weeds to jump on a poster b/c of dislikes of some kind. i have been debating this other question. but since this is your typical response. what would you like to see in the off season. or am i trying to get in a nice one.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) It is getting better. Unlike the free agent market, these things aren't immediately obvious. Good signs -The Sox put multiple minor leaguers who were drafted/originally signed and developed by the team, into key roles and had some levels of success. Chances are somewhere between 1 and 3 starters of the position players will be guys fully developed by the organization. While not great, it is an improvement. -The Sox have put something over $10 million into Latin America over the last 4 years or so, and those players are starting to show up state side. -The highest rated position players are still moving through the system, and will be here soon. -The team has added a ton of talent to the system in the last few years through the draft. -Despite the amount of players that have graduated from being rankable, the system ranking is steadily moving upwards. and the point is, the system is building up the core, the main line for talent to slid into a meaningful position on the parent club. but the problem with all this positive movement, the team has the star player who will not be around forever esp in their prime. something will need to be done to take advantage of this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) Is this the part where I throw a hissy fit because I was asked for a link? Lip posted it himself. Do with that what you like. a nice response for an innocent question from a admin.... double standards i see.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) The rumor is that HE was the reason it was bad. No idea if that is actually true or not. is there a link to this????

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) Here is what I don't get. They say the clubhouse wasn't good and Parent was the scape goat for the poor clubhouse. To me, the manager's biggest responsibility is managing the clubhouse so if that went wrong, how is anyone other then the manager the scapegoat? PS: So the poor clubhouse is the bench coaches fault? It's probably the players fault but if you had this poor clubhouse that resulted in a bench coach getting fired, well...that just seems odd to me. the clubhouse thing is a first that i have heard and i wouldn't put it past it. but can the sox afford to let the clubhouse be without trying to fix it??? who was the cancer ??? and next yr happens the same way, a wasted yr.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) It sucks from top to bottom. I realize the issue starts higher and acknowledged it in the first post. Robin Ventura is not a good manager with all that being said. He has inept, enabled, nepotism fueled dysfunction above him. Even with that, he is responsible for the lineup and for decision making in games. He's proven he's not adept at making those decisions. They need a Blackhawk type of cleansing. Really is that simple. Jerry and Kenny are bad. Robin is bad. I really have no idea what Rick Hahn is good at if Kenny has the final say on everything. All these guys being bad at that they do is not mutually exclusive. Give Robin the Royals and see if he's any better at the decisions he is responsible for making. He doesn't strike me as an enlightened guy. He's a former player from an era gone by that has the loyalty of his superiors because he played for them years ago. ref the bold, i wished you had added more... i think i am going to like your posts in the future. with ref to the rest of your post, i can't find a counter. very good.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) Jerry- see Kenny- hear Rick- speak really close to what i thought. i had Kenny and Rick as the opposite.

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) He's not a player anymore. What's in the past is in the past. It's not like the franchise has had a strong history of success. It's like the Cub fans that were dying to hire Girardi or Sandberg to be their manager. Having played for the club should not matter. Get a guy who is good at the job. I'm not saying it is all his fault. To this point, he has proven to me to be a bad manager at best, regardless of what he has to work with. He's part of the problem as opposed to the solution. i hope you didn't get me wrong. everything you said, does make a point. i just can't see the clearing thru the forest. there i admit it. but it appears as though you are addressing a situation all the while the problem starts higher. that is my opinion. good post.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) Reinsdorf, Williams, and Hahn in the hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil pose. i like this.... just trying to figure out which of the 3 are identified with

QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) Start with Kenny. He has to go. To a greater extent, Jerry does too. The two of them could care less about the farm system. There's no revenue in it. They've been tinkering with the same bad team now for years, adding free agents and trading for veterans while all the while not fluxing any kind of talent into the big club from the farm. They're hellbent on pitching but have no one who can field or hit. In a hitter friendly ballpark they play 81 games in no less. Rick Hahn seems like a smart guy, but if he has Kenny stepping on his head, it doesn't really matter how smart he is. Then you have Robin, who while being a total waste of a manager, has this dysfunction above him. Could Joe Maddon manage a team with this kind of front office? He's worked for Andrew Friedman and Theo Epstein. I'd say that helps matters for him, and while Maddon is a good manager, imagine having brain trusts like those helping make your job easier. Jerry hires his kids. Bulls, White Sox, doesn't matter. You've played for one of his teams? Great. You're hired. ref RV, i am an RV fan, mostly as a player. i like what he brought to the game for the sox. but all this is not his fault. ref the bold, i will go one further, would or could Maddon have manage this team better, if so by how much??? with the players assembled.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:38 AM) If the offense improves you keep Sanchez at second who appears to be solid defensively and God knows the Sox need someone who can catch the baseball regularly. As far as Johnson, it looks like he can't stay healthy, if he can't stay healthy he doesn't do anybody any good. May have to consider including him in a deal. mark that is an example of what i am saying on making some hard decisions on trades.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 03:20 AM) No, nice try, but as always with you, no. What we "essentially" have here is the "same group" who have only managed to assemble a "playoff team" in two of the thirteen years they've been at this thing, and not one "playoff team" for seven years in a row now. It's that deplorable record of achievement, or lack thereof, that has most of us concluding they are "incapable of doing anything right". and in that time there really isn't any accountability .... before we, the fans can look and point the finger at KW. now the sox have put another person in charge, were those moves, all of those moves his??? who knows, there is no guarantee source of who was the deciding factor.... so in a place of that, there is one common element, the owner. it starts and ends there.

spending money and spending money wisely, i sometimes wonder how they the FO determines that at the end of the yr. the problem is, this yr has shown how far the sox still needs to go in order to improve while having to look over the shoulder of the other team in chi. if someone needs or feels compelled to say, lets just fix our house. well there is 2 things wrong with that statement. 1. the owners are wanting the fans to come out and yet how can they when the FO have mismanaged this team all the while 2. the northside is doing a better job to fielding a team now answer this, why are the northsider doing a better job??? are their fans saying, hey look they spent money. the sox needs to spend a little more, to really help find some pieces to fix this team and at the same time need to make some hard decisions on the trade front. trade to help replenish the system... at least to hurry up the ability to replace players when their contracts are up. the sox spend money, well i hope they will spend a little more to make this team a better team, before it is too late to get some fans to come out to the games.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 12:21 AM) I don't give the FO for trying and then using a strategy with an extremely high rate of failure. The accurate metaphor is trying to satisfy your retirement needs by putting the $100k you've saved up in the lottery. Then yelling "I totally tried to retire a millionaire!" Yes, you tried, but you didn't assess the fact that it would be surprising if that strategy worked. It might work if we try it again next year, eventually if you put $100k into the lottery every day you would win, but it might well take decades. lets look at the adam laroche signing

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 11:37 PM) The thing is, it is false. The white sox aren't cheap, they spend money. It doesn't matter which member says it, it is false well well well, it has been some time. typical .

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 12:26 AM) Of course, you know you're being dishonest at the very least because the "nuclear weapons deal" does not cover development of missile technology. It is specifically designed to deal with the huge problem of nuclear weapons. Those launches are in violation of UN security council resolutions, but they are not in violation of any part of the nuclear deal. So they're not "breaking the agreement already", you're deliberately switching the topic and I'm betting you know that. It's not worth invading Iran because they receive money freed up from the removal of sanctions related to their nuclear program (notably not all the sanctions on them). It's not worth invading Iran because they have ballistic missile technology they're not using. It's worth invading Iran if they're developing a nuclear weapon. They know that, you know that. but the big question is will the avg american would be willing to have a war again in the middle east?? i think the avg american would rather hide their head in sand and pretend not to look at Iran. it is going to be a big sell to convince the americans that it is a must thing to do.