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i wonder if there is anyone in the org that will have the iintestinal fortitude to tell the owners, it is their fault for the state of the club.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) LOL - then let's relentlessly question "how they work". Their "how we work" approach has been devoid of any results for a decade now. It's been a disaster, and nothing from the recent past creates any confidence in the near or long-tear future. We need new ownership, folks - it's as simple as that. Otherwise, until then, we'll get yet another round of the KW/KH failed way to get us into the playoffs. Where have we heard this nonsense before! Our Southside franchise has no hope for survival outside a more frequent and expected return to postseason play. Jerry Reinsdorf has proven unable to provide the Sox fan base that most minimal of expectations. How do we lift ourselves as Sox fans above this malaise? I feel we're doing the Sox' work for them - soliciting their expertise. Let everyone figure it out for themselves! i have been very critical of the sox ownership as anyone here. but they are not going any where. so how to fix this streak of ineptness from the sox org, a new harsher directive ..... get rid of the good ole country club inner circle of no accountability.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 04:45 AM) Mark, you make some good points. I don't think anyone is saying the White Sox as an organization are run as well as the Cardinals have been over the past 10-15 years. However, that doesn't lead one to the conclusion that our FO should be fired, either. the blame has to fall on someone. i think that the sox owners are a major part, if not should absorb all of the blame. reason, it is per the owners directive on how the team is going to compete and with what kind of monetary budget. within that policy, the president / gm has to make it work. now, here is the question, are the sox getting the best value from their signings and players. old, injured players > retreads. poor advice on scouting poor decision making on players chosen poor field personnel to run the team lastly the one that hurts, whether it should be #1 is the lousy drafting. all this starts at the very top and trickle down the chain of incompetence, or what is commonly referred to the sox FO. it is obvious the owners are not going no where...... so where to you make the changes.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 01:23 AM) Someone over at BTF (might have been Walt) did an analysis showing how much the FA market has changed on a cost per WAR basis and on how much WAR is typically available in an offseason compared to say 2002, when teams like the Yankees could easily outbid everyone else and set up a winning team almost solely based on FA (ignore for a second all the home grown talent they had it's just an example). Now, even the rich teams like Boston are founding it nearly impossible to simply buy enough WAR in the offseason to make a good, winning team. The Tigers are absolutely f***ed. Even if the contracts of Miggy, JV, and V-Mart were magically lifted from their shoulders there aren't enough premium FA anymore to sign to replace them. And even if there were, because of the winner's curse, they couldn't afford to sign more than one or two at most. And then they'd still have to get 30 some odd WAR from guys they already have on the team. You can't build a team through FA anymore you have to rely on drafting and scouting and trades. It's a fools errand to even try which is why you see teams like the Astros and Cubs having so much success without big payrolls. You don't need a big payroll to compete anymore and in fact it may often be a detriment as it eats into your money available for scouting, development, intentional FA, etc. you make a great point there. the sox went out and spent for the DH position, they spent what i think is a nice salary, 13+/- mil.... but look at what that got the team, an old retread and still the team was very lucky with the length of the contract. there has to be luck in that, selecting the right FA.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) The White Sox went with the middle ground - trying to compete without giving up their best long-term assets, but while sacrificing some depth and money. In the process they utterly failed. The end result is they have absolutely moved closer to wasting Sale and Abreu's best seasons, because they just wasted one of them at the very least. That's what you said the risk was of slowly trying to develop assets, and they did exactly that while trying to find "near future" assets. I think that's a very strong message from 2015. They spent a lot of assets on this season, got incredibly lucky with health, like unbelievably lucky with the health of their lineup, and they've barely improved from 2014. They have absolutely increased the chances of wasting their best years because they just wasted one. it was not like the FO went out and randomly went into this season without a idea. they had an idea but as usual they went out and did about with what he assume would work. then they stop the rebuild. the rest is what the sox wanted and always have done, they hope for the best result with very little done or invested.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) The White Sox are extremely weak compared to the extremely weak positions. ok then i am wrong in my thinking......

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) Around MLB, 1b is the best producing position on average in baseball, ~.780-.790 ish OPS. RF, DH, and 3b are the next set of positions, they're in the .750-.760 range. LF is a bit lower, then the 2b, SS, and C positions are very weak. and you are right re bold, but according to the chart above, they are right in the middle of the packing according to the rankings.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:09 PM) Sox AL OPS Rank by position: 2B - 14th SS - 14th 3B - 14th RF - 13th DH - 10th C - 9th LF - 8th CF - 6th 1B - 6th I'm not a huge fan of Flowers, but if you find a way to get even league average production from 2B/SS/3B/RF/DH, the combined productivity of Flowers/Soto is not going to be the difference between making and missing the playoffs. theory wise and using old school tech. i would say the dh, 3b, and rf in that order, should be up at least equal to or better 1b in production.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) So if the intentions were to sign Samardzija long term, if they do not, which appears rather likely, it would seem to indicate an availability of funds to go out and find some immediate help in other areas. i would assume so, but the upper management would need to be talked into that move.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) I completely agree. The pieces we gave up will not hurt us in the end. The comp pick we get for Jeff can be better than all 4 players we gave up for Shark. Phegley is a career back up at best. Bassitt is a 5th-long man Ravelo is a 1B who would be blocked by Abreu Semien, his offense is legit but his defense is really really bad. When the Sox acquired Jeff, the intentions were to lock him up long term. However, that didn't work out in the end but we can still get a comp pick for Jeff that will usually be in the 26-35 range AND then we can save that money we would of used on Jeff to use on a hitter in free agency (Upton or Heyward) their are some intangibles that is not considered. short term vs long term in addition, poor judgement of the assets that is or was on hand.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:18 PM) I still fail to see how the past offseason created inflexibility in regards to the framework of this team over the next few years. The whole purpose of the direction they took was to balance today with tomorrow. While I was not a fan of the LaRoche signing, it won't cripple us. The other deals are not blocking anyone who's knocking down the door at Charlotte, with the possible exception of Johnson, who can be brought up in less than 2 weeks. I just can't understand why the fact that they took a shot on '15 and missed has some devastating consequences for '16 and '17. i will say without any proof, that his 2 level of bosses thought otherwise and set down the directive to use what the team has and get to the playoff. that is the only logical excuse or idea i can come up with

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) Is it possible that Brantly can hit Major League pitching? He's only 26. They play him at DH a lot so I assume he can't catch. Am I wrong to think that the records of the DSL, ASL and PL are meaningful re the state of low minors and quality of drafts. They can always load up the full season teams with org. guys to boost records; but not the rookie leagues. great idea and point. i would like to also think of it this way, spread out the prospects, let them all get quality reps and continue their development. then analyze their performances at the season and see who are doing really good and who still needs help. this is one thing that the sox FO has done extremely well. too bad they can have that luck in finding hitters.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:45 AM) I think 2k5 is on the right track. I think the Sox know he doesn't have what it takes "between the ears" as Hawk says. Sox don't trust him and don't want to expose him. He's trade material this offseason is my bet. i too was questioning why they did not bring him up as of late. are they trying to pad his stats for the possibility of trading him????

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:30 AM) He wasn't terrible with Arizona, got a call-up. But I'm sure Buddy will fix him. but someone mention a long time ago, it may have been the league..... but still why now about tearing apart his swing.... why not last yr???

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:18 AM) It's laughable that any team would want anyone associated with the Sox front office on their payroll. Truly. harsh..... but i like it...

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:42 AM) Gahhhh you're right. Such f***ing bait and I took it like a noob. i did not take that as a troll like comment and bait.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:11 AM) Since the Sox had that mirage and went 7-1 at the worst possible time 9right before the deadline) they are now 6-12 and have lost five straight road games. Also tonight was the 62nd time in 117 games they scored three runs or less. That's 53%. Mark wow.... great stuff.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 05:28 AM) Troll. i missed all of this excitement .... but i came on and saw this. Greg is not a troll, his opinions like my are true and we express them freely. this is a sports forum that was created for others to express their opinions, freely. the Admins / Mods are really good at what they do and i am sure will have taken control of Greg, if he was a troll - count on it. now for this, i am a Danks fan, i have express this many times in the past. for those, who can, look past the salary contract and see how he has been pitching, now take a look at the points the team has put up. he is improving, i would like to have known what was his fastball doing yesterday, the speed. he is not the same pitcher as he was before the injury, it is a shame. but in the best of my POV, he has in most cases give the sox a chance to win, if this tepid offense would not have failed the team. this is a rotten season. this is my quasi rant. no offense intended.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) Watched The Maze Runner last night. Seems like the production company/studio wanted to attach itself onto the coattails of The Hunger Games (or Divergent). The plot was basic; it was a rehash of other things (Lord of The Flies, The Minotaur, Harry Potter Goblet of Fire). It was entertaining but one-dimensional. 2 stars our of 5. i am divided on it, b/c of bk 1. the other 2 books, forget about it. it was like the author was trying to, as you said jump on the coat tails. if i had to give it a ratings, maybe rent it, 1/2 of 5. that is how bad i really thought of it. but bk 1 was ok.

the only thing i found out is in 2015, the QO was 15.3 mil. so i would say on a guess, 2016 should be starting at that same amount until the officials of the CBA officials makes the announcement.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) I'd go 6/$120M for Upton. He's one of a handful of free agents I'd be willing to sacrifice a draft pick for, as we desperately need a cleanup hitter and he's young enough to be valuable for the vast majority of his contract. 20 mil per..... i guess that would be the going rate. esp with the huge contracts given last yr to the fa's.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 01:34 AM) I see your point but I think that seven million is the cheapest way to get a solid 200 innings without further commitment. What are the chances Shark accepts that QO though. He's running out of years to land a megadeal. way to go, i never look at it that way..... but what is the whole value of a QO???

the way Dayan Viciedo been hitting, does anyone know on any rpt, if he has indeed change his swing and approach ???

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) This is good. I want to see him evaluated again in the bigs Asap. And EJohnson needed to be here yesterday. Mid August is time to find out what we have for 2016. September ain't long enough, and ST is illusory. I fully expect them to botch this. i and many other posters have said the same thing last week. i just can't see why they are not doing this.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 12:48 AM) Would be nice then if they actually gave him at bats in the here and now since this team isn't going anywhere. Mark i just don't understand this, why not play him for the rest of the season.... somehow figure who will be the dh among the 3 outfields and thompson.