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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 02:14 AM) alrighty ......

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 12:24 AM) Oh, for sure. Lots of good posters too. i am not kissing anyone butt, but think about this, if the mods and admin are heavy handed, this site would not have been as good as it is now.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 12:53 AM) Hey SoxTalk, I'm a pretty young fan and I continuously read these forums for news and conversations about the team I've always loved. I've even bookmarked the site because I check it pretty much every day. So I finally figured, hey, if I'm reading these every day... might as well join in on the conversating! Hope a young sox fan like me is welcome around here blood, fresh blood. welcome to the best sports forum. this forum has anything you wish to discuss. as for me, everything except the sCrubs from the northside. i favorite is the great section of future sox. where all updates of the sox minors that can be assembled, by great posters.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 10:44 PM) The question I have is...is this contract guaranteed? It's been suggested that arbitration settlements are not guaranteed for anything more than $750k at the end of spring training but this is not an arbitration settlement, its' a contract. i am with you, i think it is guarantee.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) For the small amounts of difference that we'd be talking about, just throw the player the extra thousands and walk away with the good will. The White Sox are masters at it. but DV agent is the kind of person who gives a rats arse for good will.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) I agree with everything you said about his current development status and his need for work in the minors, I am not pushing him to the bullpen if that's what you're thinking. When I talked about floor in the original post, I was talking about his worst likely outcome, not current prospect profile. Unless you are debating whether or not Rodon has a floor of a league average starter and the ceiling of an ace, then I think we are talking about different things lol. then i am guilty and will hang my head in shame. b/c i think his floor is a little below avg and his ceiling is that of an ace. i just want him to get ready and be the best he can. esp if the sox are in the playoff. he as the other pitchers will be needed to be counted on.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 11:14 PM) Saw American Sniper last night. It was a decent movie. Seemed more like here's a clip of him sniping a guy, here's another clip, here's a really moral conflicting one, here's another. Movie didn't seem to have a real exciting story. You could fall asleep through parts and not miss anything important to the story. Also. I've read that Chris Kyle was much more of an asshole and a ruthless killer than they portray in the movie. I guess he was a hero, but he wasn't a nice person and was more of a channeled psychopath. i got that as well. did you read about him and Jesse Ventura and Jesse has a lawsuit against his estate. however no matter what, the most snipers kills.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 09:52 PM) If I were him, I'd keep in shape for a stretch run signing. What are his options if someone comes a calling? good question. here is another would he come out of retirement to do it??

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Yeah, Sale is the closest you'll get. and i would be extremely happy with that. ughhhh sign him Hahn.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 09:42 PM) By all accounts, just a top notch guy. I still remember the day we signed Biggen'. I was so pumped that I watched youtube videos of him hitting moon shots for about an hour. It sure didn't work out for the SOX, but I wish the big man nothing but the best. a great comment and i agree

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 09:16 PM) I know it's always brought up, but watch highlights of Rodon vs. Cuba a few years ago. His stuff was the best it's ever looked in that game and analysts said he could have mowed down an MLB lineup that night. His slider was straight filthy. what the coaches and experts want from any player is consistency when it is their time to perform. not to have bouts of having a great game and then mediocre performance. that consistency comes from training and coaching.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 09:25 PM) It seems you're disagreeing with my assessment of his floor. Most people would agree that he's not ready for the majors right now, so you are correct in saying that. But that's not the same as saying what his floor is. A floor for a prospect is his worst likely outcome, while ceiling is his best likely outcome. When you say that he needs "more seasoning and work" and hinting that he won't be a league average starter at the moment, that's saying what his currently profile is, not his floor, because that's the worst outcome, not the worst likely outcome. He's likely to at least improve his command some what and be at least an average starter. I don't know where you got the impression that he's a one pitch pitcher. Here's a detailed scouting report on Rodon from Fangraphs by Kiley McDaniel in case you missed it. Keep in mind McDaniel usually projects on the conservative side, so you should interpret it your own way. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-...cago-white-sox/ In summary, with some work, he'll likely have 2 plus pitches along with a wipeout slider. If he can slightly improve his command, he'll be an average starter. If he can significantly improve his command, he will be the ace of the rotation. Note that McDaniel labeled his prospect risk as low, suggesting he'll likely at least reach his floor. and i am not disputing you or your hard work to present this. all i am saying is i think it would behoove him to get that extra work in the minors. if the coaches who really know more than i would ever gather, if they say he is ready to move to the majors. then so be it. i just don't want anyone to rush him. second, the sox had him work on other pitches and to forgo the slider. so it is obvious that they, the sox, wanted him to work on his other pitches. next yr for the sox is going to be great, i would like the sox to have the starters ready to carry the load. not to have the wheel fall off.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:52 PM) Danks had 20 quality starts and will be healthier, and Noesi is going to be better than he was. Best rotation in baseball and the Sox will win 97 games. ahhhh 97 games won..... i like it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) I can see 8th. As others have said the top 3 is no question pretty damn good, probably top 5 in entire MLB. But with Danks and Noesi following behind those 3, the ranking is understandable. If Rodon lives up to the hype, then yes I think the rotation would easily be top 5. and i can't wait for spring training . btw good post.

can anyone use their contacts to find if the sox are in the Yoan person. i am dieing here.

QUOTE (lvjeremylv @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:43 PM) Nah. Just always get a kick out of the selective enforcement of the "ban on personal attacks" here at SoxTalk. It was occurring for years before I took a break from this site, and I see that nothing has changed. Not that I expected it to, of course. Should re-write to to "ban on personal attacks"*, then at the bottom of the page.... *unless you've been here a long time and you're going after someone new. Then you're free to say whatever you want about them and the admins will gladly look the other way But carry on, it's as amusing as ever. i don't know about that. i have been among the longest poster here and just recently i got a warning, which was deserved. there has to be some sort of rules for conduct. peace.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) Man, why couldn't Erik Johnson have worked out...BASEBALLLLLL i think the sox are hoping he will come back and regain his touch. no mention of him, no pressure from the media. i hope he does regain his stuff.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) ISO plays are the definition of creating for yourself. well, i can see it ...... oh screw it, i made the mistake of thinking about something else. i lost my train of thought. thanks for correcting me.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:29 PM) It appears one of the guys they want (Kubiak) would rather stay as an OC rather than become the head coach for the Bears. and that does speak well for the rep of the bears.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:27 PM) 8th in the whole league. 4th in AL. Pretty good. Could argue up or down a couple, but it's early. yeah and i have to keep reminding myself where the sox were last off season.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) As much as it hurts watching this 8 game stretch after believing he was pretty much back, I will say that when the games have been close late, Drose had no problem getting to the basket when we Iso'd him. but he can't create that himself as he use to. don't get me wrong, his injuries were severe, but lets not wear blinders on him.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:19 PM) That's more of a testament to how good his slider truly is. I think his slider is already better than most front line starter's best pitch in the majors. It's not a knock against his fastball, which is currently a 60 pitch. He still has a lot of work left on his command and also need to work on the change up. With that said, his floor is relatively high based on his two major league level pitches and the likelihood that he will develop an above average change up. i don't know about his slider, i will give way to others opinion on that. they prob know more than i. however i still think he needs more seasoning and more work. he can't depend on that slider alone.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) To each their own. I agree more with Sanchez and Johnson being 8 and 9 than I do Hawkins being 6. I don't have much hope for Hawkins reaching the majors, while the other 2 guys should have successful careers in the majors, even if they aren't regular starters. I hope I'm wrong on Hawkins and I'm pulling for him, but he has a ton of work to do. that is kool, i think hawkins will make the majors, maybe now as the heralded prospects everyone thought he was.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 08:11 PM) I am still a bit bitter by how well Korver has been playing after he left the Bulls. 50-50-90 anyone? I think the East is lucky that they don't have a Curry, Durant or even a Derrick Rose who can take over in the 4th quarter. IMO that's what holds them back from being a true favorite. i don't know, it seems as this is not the same Rose that came in, in his rookie campaign. maybe it is me.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:05 PM) I have friends who went to FSU and they been called the Criminoles since this crab leg incident As for Rodon, I think that assessment is general consensus unless people are playing extremist and think that he won't develop the change up and wind up in the bullpen. with his future looking good, i would most assuredly let him develop in the minors on his overall pitches. he is far from the finish product many have thought, esp having a slider as your #1 pitch. he is no Sale.