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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) Stupid post. We have one of the elite coaches in the league who raves about him. Have you guys seen what Josh Smith has done, guys like Rudy Gay, etc. There are things that don't show up in the box score. This Kirk hate is just absurd. Yeah, he could do some things better but clearly he's valued amongst the league. Listen to any former coach talk about Hinrich, the knowledgeable analysts, etc, and you hear nothing but big time praise for a lot of the things he does and the value he brings to a team. a great post. with supporting facts.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 07:57 AM) Ok... Are we going to disregard the fact that the intended audience of the occasional b**** slap by Charlie Hebdo are a pack of unreasonable and violent bandits who have proven time and time again that they won't hesitate to use violence, and again, have already done so against this particular magazine? They see things differently. Politicians over here won't even blink when they find their way into various forms of satire. I think based on occurrences in the past 5 years alone it could be deduced that certain groups see things very differently. People keep saying that it was a f***ing cartoon, and yeah, it is to many of us here; but their values are different than ours. s***ting on those values isn't going to end well most of the time. a good post, but i have to disagree. these are violent people who did this and using their religion as an excuse to cause more problems. in this situation deaths to innocent people over what, a cartoon. next they will be causing problems for wearing some different garments on a different day. yeah this is a stupid point, but so is this form of violence.

isn't there an adage that say, keep shooting until you get out of the slump???

this team as of today, really looks impressive and yes dangerous. i really can't wait for spring training to start. i have, to the best of my recollection, never been this excited in a team going into the season has i am now with this team. maybe when richie zisk and company era. i am keeping this a positive post. so as hi8s writes. thank Mr. Hahn, thank JR, and even thanks KW.

i was a big advocate on giving DV a chance. now that chance is suppose to be as a fulltime hitter. to continue to let him figure it out. he has 20+ homerun power, that is a given esp when some hitters can't even break the 10 mark. however i don't know if being a spot starter or backup, with limited hitting chances, can he still produce in the power number?? will he develop the mind set of concentrating and making the best of his at bats, as some of the best backup hitters do??? he will be a black hole as a backup hitter, imho.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:59 AM) If Kirk could just get a season ending injury that would be great. this is among the most idiotic responses i have seen in a while. hoping for a player to have an injury.

there are more things to take into consideration than stats when figuring out a value of a playe. Gasol's, IMO may be the person, the glue on defense, the spark to get that team playing hard, the little things people don't know of and plus keeping the players mind together. it has also help with the overall talent of other players. what ever it is i like it. also the FA not signing was the best FA signing that happened.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 10:19 PM) My impression is that he's a bit of a loose cannon -- he'll do whatever it takes to be successful, even if it's eccentric. That's great for fans, but I get the sense that the MLB owner's club wants guys they know are willing to play nice with the status quo. i don't think it stop Charlie Finley and George Steinbrenner.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 08:27 PM) Maybe you're both right, but needs change when players get hurt in ST. I'm saying there's a chance. If he looks horrid in ST, the 3.7Million will likely be salvaged. If he looks good, could help tradeability. I think the "D-day" is somewhere around St. Patty's, March 17. We may be drinking to Tank's departure. as much as i dislike him, i still want the best for the sox.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) Just a guess but I think if the Sox are unable to find a trade partner for Viciedo he's cut loose from the roster. I still have confidence in the Sox being able to trade Viciedo for, something. i don't, or else they would have done so.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) Chili quoted you funny I understood your post. His argument seemed to be, "since he can't sign until July 2nd, that follows the theory that the Cubs will get him" perhaps not. yeah but many things can happen between now and then.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) This is one of the most impressive and insightful posts I've read on this board. You know your stuff man. i agree.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) not really. You've only got 1 righty out there already. Boni becomes the primary fourth OF plus CG platoon partner, if they go with a guy like Sanchez as the 25th man, or he becomes the primary backup infielderif the 25th man is smeone like Jordan Danks. But a leftly OF is no longer a need, and the 25th man can now be determined by ST and merit, if they so choose - a nice allowance due to EB's flexibility. yeah you are correct. so the OF is pretty much determine, so where does DV stand esp with this quasi number crunch?

QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 06:54 PM) Kenny was our vendor in 108, great guy. Sad to see he has passed. http://www.sportstraveler.net/blog/remembe...kenneth-sherwin shiiitttt i thought you meant KW.

while Wite and ptat and others have made great post / counters, i can't address each. let me say, the sox, needs to ensure that the sox will have viable pieces available for the unforeseen. just investing the bare minimum and hope for the best is not going to cut it. look at last yr and all the unforeseen failures and injuries. that put the sox behind the 8-ball so to speak. this yr, with the rebuild and expectations, they, the brass can't count on luck or doing the bare minimum, as the sox have done thru JR's and KW rein. so yes they could've done more in the past to get the missing pieces to a. get the team in a better position to win and b, by winning taken over the fan base of chi. how many time have the sox used and acquired players that were reclamation projects to save money??? this yr, they, the sox have invested and rebuild the team to a tune of 95-100+ mil and it is close, they have and looking at Rodon to possible come up sometime during the next season. but what happen if there is an injury, Hector does not continue his comeback, Erik Johnson fails again, Beck is not ready to step up, the farm is not ready to produce the players. i am not saying getting Shields or Scherzer, too many yrs and at what salary. there are other stop gap moves the team can do. there were some other options in the fa market who could've and have been had for 1 yr. better yet there are trade options for pitchers who are 1 or 2 yrs from FA. As long as the core of Anderson, Rodon Adams and or Montas is not touch., Mickler, Hawkins can be a nice center piece for trade. but the sox brass will know more about that then us fans. thanks peace btw a great discussions.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) [/b] You may well be right regarding the bolded, but let me propose a not so fast caveat. Bonifacio, because of his IF/OF versatility actually frees up the roster for defining just that role. And if DV proves untradeable this offseason, but is still worthy of a one more chance sentiment from the FO (a real possibility, imo), then what other role can DV possibly play with EB now in the fold? Or, to put it another way, it's clear that Hahn reads Soxtalk and NOT SSS. I am in this camp as well. the problem is not whether DV is not worth the spot, its if the sox can deal with DV as a spare for the OF. doesn't the sox need a LH batter for the OF???? the other point i would like to address, Avi, has shown not to be able to play without getting hurt, same with Eaton. the other factor is whether the idea of Sanchez manning 2b. so in essence the sox need some other spare parts on the bench or in the minors. the minors have yet to produce any viable option yet i am sure in another yr they might. but that will not help the big team now.

QUOTE (shoeless_joe21 @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 05:44 AM) I joined almost a decade ago, but left to go on a ten year bender after they won it all in '05. Now I'm a born-again Soxtalk poster. great to have you again. i came back at the beginning of last season. now if some of the older members can come back. sox in '15

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 06:12 AM) Welcome back Prodical Son. We are glad to have our very own Hunter S. Thompson back in the fold! Thanks, hi8is. i see the new year hasn't change the ole hi8is. it is great

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) I get the feeling that Adam Eaton is going to be there with all the rookies because he kept pestering Steverson about wanting to go, and Todd finally said okay to shut him up. Lol. He seems like the baseball rat that just wants to be around baseball 24/7. i think you just found the perfect nickname for him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 06:11 AM) Yet the Cubs are drawing how many more fans without winning a damned thing? you are soooo right. they made loosing a fun thing. at least sox fans are smarter and they do insist of a winning team.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 04:54 AM) Could not agree more. Found this nice write by Rogers on the Sox site... http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/105...icago-white-sox "With Bonifacio added, the White Sox are headed toward a $120 million payroll after opening last season at about $90 million. They are working to trade Viciedo, and can pay for Bonifacio's $4 million guarantee (for 2015 and the buyout of a '16 option) if they find a taker." that was a great write up. thanks

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 04:47 AM) Just like to point out that Detroit does not have another team across town to compete for the attention of the fan base while the Sox do. MMKAY... chi has that dragon on the north side that is teflon. they can't do no wrong. so the best way to deal, compete is to win, and win big. field a team that will help the cause. with Hahn i believe the sox have the right guy calling the shots, only he needs a little more financial flexibility.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 04:14 AM) The Tigers have the #11th largest metro area all to themselves, while the Sox have almost half of the 3rd largest metro area all to themselves, so numbers wise, it's almost a wash. So there's that. Detroit has also been drawing more recently because they've been winning more recently, due in no small part because they've been spending more recently. Spending more than us, winning more than us, and therefore, drawing more than us. What to make of that! If you choose not to be insulted by hearing or reading stories of Jerry Reinsdorf's asserted benevolence because he approved that last additional "expenditure" for Cabrera's contract, which pushed the team payroll just over the $100 million mark, you go right ahead. That's just barely getting the team to the MLB team average for payroll, and therefore I refuse to fall prey to the team's propaganda and talking points that they're somehow going out on a limb on all of this recent spending. Meanwhile, the reigning division champs continue to spend almost 50% more than the Sox. I find that disparity unacceptable, that's all I'm saying. going out on a limb is getting a SP to really put the nail in the coffin esp in the chicago land competition for baseball. all the sox really need to make the playoff and with a great team. then do not let the pressure up, and continue to upgrade.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 6, 2015 -> 05:29 AM) Yessssss, and why is that? Because the organization has failed to wrestle more of that market share by earning it through winning. It's been there for the taking, given the Cubs's perennial losing ways. and they blew it away with a total mismanagement and frugal spending. just putting enuf to get them maybe in the playoff or at least able to compete. the 90's the sox had a makings of a great team, blew it with lousy drafts, and not going the little extra in salary. wasted yrs, wasted talent.

am i missing someone salary??? i come up with a little over 90 mil. https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tK7...amp;output=html