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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:12 PM) He went on the DL in July with a bulging disk in his back and missed about 3 weeks. He missed two weeks in September due to kidney stones. oh crap, so much for him being able to be traded.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) I do not want the Sox to trade Alexei. He is the perfect player to anchor our young infield, until his successor can take over. That may be Anderson, or it might be Rondon. However, neither of them are ready. There are no other guys in the organization who are ready to provide the kind of defense that Ramirez does. All of our other infielders are better suited at 2ND. He also is a solid bat, with a little pop, and a pretty run producer. It makes no sense to trade him, if the Sox are really going to try to contend this season. nice comment to add Rondon as his his successor. the ideal situation will be, of course Anderson, but the question mark will be his defense. if it isn't Anderson, the sox will scramble to find a SS for the future.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) Respectable LF or no, I'm not sure he can be a respectable bat in 2015. didn't he have arm surgery before ??

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) And two more prospects to boot - Rondon and Wendelken. That looks more and more like a great deal for the White Sox. how is Wendelken, how is his profile?? any info will help.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) Again, have you seen any assessments of his arm strength and accuracy? he is as gifted defensive player as I have seen. too bad with the offensive side. i am sure he can start now in the majors.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 06:19 AM) It's funny because last July a few of us were hoping for an Alexei for Piscotty swap. Now I think most would consider that an bad return (although I still love Piscotty, I'd hope for more than just him). So I'll play along and do a little kid-in-the-candy-shop routine here with NYM/LAD/NYY..... Mets: C Kevin Plawecki and OF Brandon Nimmo Yankees: OF Aaron Judge and RHP Luis Severino Dodgers: OF Scott Schebler, RHP Zach Lee, LHP Chris Reed I would throw in a prospect on our side to make any of these work too. I especially like the Mets package, but I'm also a big fan of Schebler and Severino. I haven't even bother to look into the realm of what will be justified for a rtn to make this trade. with out any other info coming in at this and only from Levine. I will say some of our poster who post here can create a better article of interest. tradable assets, that is 1 word with many different meaning. the sox have many players that are tradable assets. but the question, will the rtn be good enuf to entice the teams to make that trade.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) Isn't a key component of being able to hit "bad pitches," the willingness to hit the ball where it's pitched? For example; going the other way, on an outside pitch. There are a lot of base hits in those kinds of pitches, but not if the batter tries to pull them. I'm reminded of Adam Dunn. It was always very frustrating to me to watch him take outside pitches, which he could have easily hit to the, virtually undefended, left side. A hitter with poor discipline tries to pull that pitch, and rolls over on it, for a ground out, to the pull side. Often, Dunn did demonstrate good plate discipline by taking that pitch for a ball. However, he could have had a double, by simply taking the pitch the other way. Moreover, by not trying to pull the ball, there is more time to recognize the speed, location and movement of the pitch. That extra time helps offset any loss of bad speed, which comes with age. Perhaps that is what Victor does, and at least in part, why he is such a great hitter. Lillian, you have made many excellent posts here on this subject. I am keying on 1 thing. to me, it is not the willingness to hitting the ball where it is pitch. it has more to do with the ability to have the eye and hand coordination to be able to pick up the ball where it is. also having the ability in not only seeing it but to have the quick instincts to swing in those micro seconds the hitter has when the batter knows to swing. perfect example, one the best all around hitter I have seen, at least in the sox uni. Big Frank, how many times did he swing at pitches he did not like but was too close to let it go bye. he worked the count until he saw a pitch he like. he had a fast bat and that is not doing justice to him. bottom line. VMart may be one of those few hitter and with mild power (16 hrs) . but the cost / yrs in the salary is my problem.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) Mike Fast works for the Astros, and he pretty much pioneered modern pitch-framing metrics. So, we don't really know how valuable pitch-framing is, but we know who the best framers are, and we know that Mike Fast thinks they're pretty valuable. with all the new info that was mention yesterday about how a catcher gets rated. thanks to all for sharing.

wow, 29 pages and this debate is still going strong. I have been reading and paying attention, yous guys had me change my mind several time over. great debate. great points being made.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 10:49 PM) I almost forgot... f*** Josh Hamilton! I would rather beg Dunn to come out of retirement. Better yet, I would MUCH rather trade for CarGo. I saw something like this yesterday, I am with you.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 10:28 PM) Typical Levine, pointing out the obvious while pulling s*** from his arse for his idiot readers to choke on. The Yanks and Dodgers are easy to speculate on but the Mets make no sense with Wilmer Flores already at SS. Good grief Levine is an idiot I agree with you on the most part. but you have to take 1 thing in consideration, he only batted something like 240 + with maybe 7 hrs. they, being the mets can move him to 2nd to accommodate Alexei. most should know I not in favor of ever trading Alexei but the rtn has to be huge in order for me to say lets do it. with the bolded, wasn't that always understood.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 02:00 AM) You've got 150 pitches or so caught per game by each catcher, you count up the number of strikes and balls per pitcher and compare it to the average. You can also measure how balls on the corner according to Pitch F/X are called. someone actually knows how it is done. great. but let me ask, this doesn't include for a pitcher having a bad day. it the pitcher has a bad day, it counts against the catcher. unless I am reading this wrong.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:55 AM) Tempting, but even our best offer of Montas, Danish, Anderson and Hawkins might not be enough to get it done. They would ask for Quintana in addition and that would be the deal breaker IMO. If they would accept the first deal, it's definitely something to consider. However, a Rockies player coming to the AL, his injury history...his going into his decline years, only the Kenny Williamses of the world have the balls to make that deal. And the problem is that the farm system still doesn't have enough depth to recover from losing every top prospect but Rodon in one fell swoop. It would take another 18 months to replace that level of talent. R U really serious???? R U pulling my leg ??? I am done for the nite .... its been great talking sox.

according to mlb rumor page, Col would be willing to hear any proposal for Troy Tulowitzki. his new contract starts next yr, for 6 yrs. he is 30 yrs old now. according to the splits you will see the huge difference in fields stats. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ar=2014&t=b

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:39 AM) The one objective measurable is % of runners thrown out and flowers, dare I say it, was pretty good in that regard. I didn't know that. but let me ask this, b/c I never knew the answer. how did the pro's tell and rate if the catcher was a good game caller. how does one measure that???

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:33 AM) Is WAR really an appropriate tool to value catchers? Defensive metrics are already suspect enough, how can you possibly quantify a catcher's defensive ability accurately? I get that pitch-framing is the big rave right now, but there's a lot more that goes into a catcher's role on the defensive side of the game that should be difficult to measure. that is a very good point. let me ask this question. wasn't there a time that catchers were evaluated and how did they do that then???

does anyone have a site of how the players selected by org compared to any mock draft?? I was trying to compose a list until I realize the site I was using was getting 100% right until I looked and realize it was the draft tracker. sbnation.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:25 AM) Its a matter of perspective. From where I'm standing, taking Castro, his salary and giving up prospects is far more insane than sticking with Flowers, keeping the prospects and using the few million saved towards an upgrade at LF or DH or the bullpen, all of which are far more important to upgrade. I like that reasoning.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 12:34 AM) Glad you asked Q1) What would you do? A1) I would target players who didn't get QOs and try to get 75% or so of the value of the players who did get QOs with 50% or less of the per year money, and 25-35% of the overall contract commitment. In doing so, I also give myself another full year of building the farm system as I don't lose my second round pick and the related slot allocation from my bonus pool. Q2) Who would you try to acquire? A2) Markakis, Headley, LaRoche, McCarthy, Billingsley, Miller, Duke, and Hochevar are examples of players I would target. None have a QO, and all could make impact contributions in 2015 and 2016. Q3) Who would you target in 2016? A3) A lot of that would depend on how the 2015 season worked out, but likely a premium hitter, maybe two, possibly a pen arm, and defense. That is, provided, of course, that I got at least one hitter, one 3-4 level starter, and at least two pen arms this off-season. I think the site is still battling on who to target this offseason.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:13 AM) You would take Tyler Flowers over Jason Castro, straight up? That's insane. A lot of people here are going to look silly if the Sox make Flowers their regular catcher and he doesn't get the huge luck he got last year. Castro walks more, strikes out considerably less, hits for only very slightly less power, runs the bases better, and is probably about to pass Flowers in framing given the rate of improvement he's shown as a young catcher. well that is not my fault. the doctors dropped me. however you do have a point here. no excuse, I was looking at avg and power. but let me say it this way, what will be the cost?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:14 AM) I would guess the dominoes fell the other way around damn and I missed it.

QUOTE (beautox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 12:39 AM) If the price is reasonable I'm all for it, he fits everything that Hahn has been speaking of lately. Bad Contract, Young(er), Left handed, Power. With the QO cuddyer would be foolish not to accept so that just gives them even more of a log jam in the outfield. Micah, Erik, Thompson & Beck for CarGO his whole contract(54M) & Rex Brothers only if they sweeten the deal with a prospect and ask for E. Johnson in rtn. on a side note. does anyone else think this might have been a result of Cuddyer accepting the QO ???? like the domino effect,

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 12:34 AM) At Coors: .329/.387/.601/.988 Away from Coors:.258/.314/.437/.750 De Aza's career: .268/.330/.403/.733 ohhh I like the way you slid DeAza in. nice.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 12:21 AM) Overall, Tyler improved while Castro took a turn for the worse. Not only will I take Tyler over Castro, but I will gladly keep the prospects it would take to acquire Castro. IMO, the grass is not greener in the case of Flowers vs Castro. thanks and yeah you are right. the power numbers > Flowers. the avg > Flowers esp since he got those what contacts / glasses. with the rest of the stats on Defense I will give way to those who are way better than I. so for my book it is flowers. however, here is the wildcard. does the sox believe Flowers can sustain those improve numbers for the course of the yr???

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 11:31 PM) Agreed. I cannot believe I'm going to say this but I'd rather have Rasmus since the production is similar and Rasmus can be had for a cheaper salary and will not require the Sox to trade any young talent. IMO, the proposed offer for CarGo is a huge over pay. this is a perfect example on how posters can chg their opinions. last week and before there would have been me say no freaking way for Rasmus playing for the sox. now, as some posters are saying, the sox need an upgrade so to speak. Rasmus does provide that bat, speed and in some ways Defense. he can be a good catch. but I sure hell hate his freaking baggage.