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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:29 PM) Sanchez' numbers were good. But he was 2+ years old for his level, and the few scouting reports we got indicated there wasn't a ton there to work with. He's not a bad guy to have in the system - for every 20 like him, maybe 5 make it to the higher minors levels and succeed there, and maybe one might briefly see the majors. But at the time the Sox needed another MLB-caliber OF in the wings (as guys like Thompson, Mitchell, etc. clearly aren't ready), and if you can go get a guy with his pedigree in exchange for that pitcher, you do it. Now Taylor is looking for a legit major league shot, and the Sox don't have a need in 2015 for him. I'm sure they probably offered him AAA again, but he's going to look for a better opportunity. a real nice analysis

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) And no one is expecting him to put up a 166. I'll take the 120 and roll with it. let me add, he wants to get paid for that 166. or else he would be happy with a 13 mill contract.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) I don't think it was drug-related at all, I think he just had a really awesome, non-repeatable year. He IS a really good hitter, but it's just impossible to rationally argue he's THIS good. And unfortunately, the level of his recent performance is going to drive his salary requirements, and his age make him a higher risk than normal anyway. I mean someone else around here said it perfectly a while back: Oh, he's a really good hitter though? So was Paul Konerko. Eventually, age catches up. If Victor had put up another 125 wRC+ and was looking for 2/24m without draft pick compensation, then I think he'd be a really reasonable risk to take. But if all these rumors are true, 4/65m or whatever is just such a huge gamble for a guy that has a lot of red flags and, to be honest, isn't likely to "put us over the top" at this point anyway. saying drugs without proof in unpardonable. i just don't trust those numbers i definitely trust that he can repeat and i don't trust the situation. esp with the amount of salary he is wanting. having a good yr is one having a great yr esp in a contract yr. you have to think ummmmm

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 03:24 PM) Very wise advise - metaphysicaly speaking, of course. my friend, I am always sooo happy to provide sage like advise to you youngins. you can help guide young Joshua Strong along the same path.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 12:22 PM) The problem is that all of the good left handed starters in the League are on the White Sox. No wonder he put up such huge numbers against us. He is the kind of offensive player, for whom I would personally settle, if he played great defense in RF, and his offensive splits were better vs. RHP. However, settling for a player who fit that description would be contingent upon getting the big LH bat to DH. has anyone thought of Ichiro Suzuki who is still a better hitter.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 12:27 PM) I agree about Gregerson, look at his career home/away splits against Home: .178/.247/.262, 7 HR allowed Away: .253/.310/.386, 22 HR allowed ouch that hurts.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 06:58 AM) But he is the biggest question mark of the four to stay in the rotation. If he was a no doubt starter with that arm, then that'd be awesome, but he seems more like a power reliever and there is no minor league reliever I would ever covet over a good position player. it is always be understood that he is a question mark as you said. but you many are advocating is to trade him now before he has a chance to answer those questions. before he truly develops. he is only 21.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 07:20 AM) He would be great to have, but the `1-Sox will get more bang for the buck by spreading the money around and filling holes, of which there are many. To pay him that kind of money and then have Viciedo in left, Danks in the rotation and Lindstrom and/or Belisario members of this bullpen, is hard to justify. RE the sniping on the `2-Sox prospects I read hereon, prospects are a currency. The Sox abject lack of prospects (caused by poor scouting but also by the Sox under-valuing them) put us in this mess. As it is Anderson is raking and errors are no way to judge defense anyway and is a top 100 prospect. Re 3-Bruce, even at his high end (which he may never ever reach again)he is extremely high K and mediocre OBP. Sox are building an organization and an annual contender. Not every move will be made for next year (thankfully). re: 1. the sox need players at different positions or in other words holes that need to be filled. if the sox invested wisely, they may be able to get a real good player who can put up numbers and play "D". instead of getting a player who will hit 30 hrs and K - 2 to 1 more that he hits. the sox should get a player who can hit 10-15 hrs, nice avg, low K and 140 hits in a season. 2. that is all of KW fault and how he treated the farm systems. some of which I would do. but not every yr. in addition the farm system is / was horrible b/c he and his staff never drafted well. 3. Bruce in not a 1 in a lifetime kind of a player. there will be others like him. the sox need to save their prospect for the big team.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 05:20 AM) Romo's velocity is down bad and I don't like paying guys for their production in a pitcher-friendly ballpark in the NL. Gergorson is another guy who built a track record in two pitcher-friendly parks. In fact, he has pitched in SD an OAK which have the lowest BABIPs from 2009-2012. I am not saying he's not a good piece, but I do think his market is going to be higher than he's going to be worth. I didn't know this about Romo. thanks for the info. but with Gergorson, still might be a solid pickup. I also been thinking, with the way the sox pitchers played and as closer, the sox may just invest in arms. pitchers who can start or relieve. like this if there is a injury, they would not be caught flat footed again.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 01:29 AM) Not sure I understand your question. It was reported that the Sox were also making offers for Lind. As far as I know they were the only team other than the Brewers mentioned as being in for him. What I bolded was simply to demonstrate how good Lind is against right handed pitching. You like Jose Abreu? Lind was better last year. it was me and my lack of info on Lind. I was surprise that the sox would even consider a player who played part time. I then saw the line where I bolded and was wondering if that was the reason they were interested. my bad. it just took me by surprise.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 05:49 AM) This was on fangraphs a month ago http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/yoan-moncada-game-theory/ I think a few of you are getting excited prematurely . A lot is still left to how this plays out .He's 19 and it could mean big bucks for a prospect. For anyone who balked at how much money Rodon got imagine Rodon money muliplied by 10. I was just reading this thread and was laughing. this prospect/player is only 19 yrs old subtract 1 yr and that made him 18, so if he played with Jose A, he was not a real factor in the team. he is going to need developmental time in order to get to the player he is suppose to be. he will not make the team right off but prob minor league time. he is going to be avail for the int'l draft, let see what develops between now and then. lets see how the pro's talk about what it will take to get him ($$$$)

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) Why? If he keeps develops his change up, he can be an effective starter. he know how to throw the change, he just doesn't have faith in it. I have to keep reminding myself, he is only 21. then again there are those would rather trade him. ughhhh

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 06:16 AM) No. I honestly think that the sox should do what several teams have done in the past. go and get the young talent and break the bank so to speak. get some outfielders, infielders and pitchers. then pay the penalty and see how the talent develops. this yrs group looks to be enticing. I one full swoop, the sox could really rebuild the system.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 12:20 AM) I think my hang up with Montas is that I'm not expecting the Sox to fill any holes in the rotation through FA over the next few years and would prefer to have as many young starting options as possible. Sale, Q and Rodon are the future but outside of that who knows. Now, if the Sox use Montas to acquire a starting pitcher, that's a different story. why??? get Bruce for what 2 yrs???

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 12:11 AM) Same here. I'm going to nose around and see if I can figure out how the hell I came up with that. ok I found 1 of the 2 articles I was reading. I was trying to figure out if the M's would still be interested in DV. here is the snippet. How high the Ms are willing to go is a question, but a 3/$60M+ contract with a 4th year option here is the link http://seattlesportsinsider.com/posts/stat...-and-some-ideas

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:48 PM) I'm trying to figure out where I pulled that number from. Maybe me arse? Lol I really heard 15+ and that is why he will not accept less in yrs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:51 PM) I don't know if Rasmus profiles well as a backup OF. Seems like his attitude wouldn't take that very well. yeah I agree.... I made the mistake of not writing my whole thoughts. I think this sounds as Rasmus as a pickup for a starting corner. if, and I hope I am wrong, Eaton gets hurt, he can shift to cf.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:44 PM) Bruce and Viciedo aren't even close to the same player. Bruce is only 27 years old. I'd bet it's a down year way before I'd think he suddenly forgot how to hit entering his prime. If he was like 32 or 33, you could argue he's getting old and may be set for a decline. But at 27, I'd put money on just a down year. Also, I think you guys are overrating Montas a bit here. He's probably our 4th best pitching prospect at this point. I'd put Rodon, Danish and Spencer Adams all above him (Not now, but ceiling wise). I'd gladly give up that and a utility infielder for a guy who could be an all-star again very soon. I hope you are right. ref to Montas, I am one who is prob over rating him. ummm let see. he is 21 yo next yr 22, a power arm whether it would be as a SP or RP. as a sp there is no reasonable person who is playing who we can compare him to. as a rp, he can be a great rp and for many yrs. over rating ..... nah

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 04:25 AM) This is one of the more bizarre arguments I've ever seen. Are you suggesting Lind is a bad fit because he only hits against 78% of pitchers? And we'd have a hard time finding any other players to give the remaining DH at bats to? The rarely heard "we can't go into the season WITHOUT a full-time DH" argument? For comparison, Jose Abreu's OPS against right handed pitching last year was .919. Adam Lind's was .942. I don't see how the sox were in for this trade. can someone explain this. is it b/c of what is Bolded?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 09:15 PM) I'd be much more thrilled with a backup who could actually play CF if Eaton got hurt. But then I also just remembered that if we're going to have a backup to Eaton, Robin will hit him leadoff no matter how weak his bat is, so maybe it is important to give Robin some sort of a short slappy hitter for days when Eaton is out. that sounds like a reason for Rasmus. don't get me wrong, I just don't like him and with his father.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:30 PM) I think I'd rather bet on Kendrys Morales as a buy-low guy. And you don't have to give up anything. it is said that his agent wants only 1 yr. obviously to rebuild his value. something in the > 9 mil range. however with his agent, that could go south in a moment notice.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:27 PM) Well, Bruce is a better outfielder and does have very good numbers prior to the 2014 season ( despite striking out alot) but I'm just not willing to wager Montas on Bruce turning it around and regaining his old form. Bruce very well could have just had a down year, I'm just not willing to take the chance at the expense of Montas. I'm with you. for me, Montas is nearly untouchable as Anderson.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 11:30 PM) I thought VMart was speculated to get 18-20M annually and Headley 12-15M annually? Or has that changed? I think this number is what I heard as well

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) And 35-year old 125 wRC+ DHs get like 2yr/$24m. If that's where we are, then it's a different discussion. Before last year, Victor Martinez's career, offensively, spanned from 86 wRC+ to 130 wRC+. Last year, he put up 166 wRC+. That's SO much better. Even if you ignore the possibility of age-related decline, you have got to be suspicious at a guy who suddenly hits 40% better after 12 years of remarkably consistent performance. So when you say it's "worth the risk," I really don't understand. I mean EVERY free agent presents a risk, I'd argue that if one was worth the risk, it wouldn't be one that DOESN'T have so many obvious signs that his performance was flukey. I'm not saying we all wouldn't like 2014 VMart in our lineup, but that's just not what is going to happen if we sign him. It's the same thing with Shields. They've been awesome, but we can't afford to push the chips in on guys that are obviously riskier than the others. I am NOT saying that he took and special vitamins, but all he needed to do is take it last yr so he can max out his contract. after that is done, he doesn't take it again. "oh well his age took over for his lower offensive stats"

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 10:20 PM) I'm with ya. If I'm trading Montas it sure as hell won't be for a player that batted .217, 18HR and 149K's. I don't care what the players track record is. sounds as if you are trading for D. Viciedo. at least DV didn't K as much.