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My fault about mentioning Milwaukee. The Sox played some home games in Milwaukee in 69. The Seattle Pilots played one year (69) and then moved to Milwaukee for the 70 season. This resulted in the city of Seattle suing MLB baseball. MLB was going to settle the lawsuit by sending the Sox to Seattle, but then Veeck came in and bought the team again.

This sounds like another problem that the crack MLB publicity machine will want to sweep under the rug.

The Sox began a three year slide in 68, bottoming out in 70. Attendance was below 500000 for the whole year!! The Cubs were one year removed from the "miracle on Addison Street" that turned in to the "choke" of 69. After being down for so many years the media was feasting on the cubs "success". On paper the Sox didn't look that bad. Looie Aparacio, who was in his second incarnation at SS hit a career high .313. Bill Melton hit a team record 33 HRs. Still the year was a total disaster. When they hit they didn't pitch, and when they pitched they didn't hit. The fielding was abominable much of the time, although Aparacio and Bobby Knoop at second were decent. The Sox did lead the league in DP's. They were dead last in team ERA. Long time 1b coach Don Gutteridge had been promoted to MGR, a nicer guy you wouldn't want to meet but totally overmatched as a field general. The team did have some colorful characters. One of my favorites was Walt (No Neck) Williams. However two guys that typified the 70 team were SP Jerry Janeski and utility infielder Syd O' Brien. Mention those names to any old time Sox fan and they'll know what you're talking about. At least they can tell their grandkids they made to the big leagues. Having a rotten team was the least of Sox fans worries . There was still talk of moving the team. Milwaukee, Dallas and Denver were prominent among the cities mentioned. One good thing about that year, if you were one of the few and the brave who ventured to Comiskey you could pretty much sit wherever you damn well pleased. The season did end on a hopeful note. Chuck Tanner was named manager in mid September. The team finished the season 3-13 under him but you could tell there were going to be big changes. Sox fans had hope for the future. I do not have that hope for the franchise today.

After finishing 3rd, 4th, and 5th in the previous years the Sox were picked to stumble further. Lopez did his best job of managing in 63-64-65 I think. Gary Peters was just great. A bigger harder throwing version of Billy Pierce. Juan Pizarro was also tough going 16-8. Pete Ward gave the White Sox their best play at 3b since Willie Kamm. The White Sox were definitely the surprise team of the year in the AL. The Yanks had another awesome team. They went into the WS all full of themselves and proceeded to get swept by the LA Dodgers. Sandy Koufax just plain overpowered them. It broke my heart.

I just thought of a 1959 White Sox story you were all waiting to hear. After the White Sox clinched the pennant in Cleveland Fire Commisioner Robert Quinn ordered the air raid sirens turned on. This was deep in the Cold War era and many people thought the sirens were signalling a nuclear attack by the Russians. There was a certain amount of panic and more than a few coronaries. A sheepish Mayor Daley (the original one) apologized at a press conference the following day. Quinn was the mayors Bridgeport buddy so he got to keep his job. Several years later Quinn caused a major traffic jam when he sent some of his firefighters jogging up the median strip on the Kennedy Expressway at rush hour. It was called the North West Expressway at the time. Quinn was a fitness buff (ahead of his time!) and wanted to show how in shape his guys were.

There must be a high ranking member of the Taliban named David Nelson.

The Sox came in second three years in a row (63-65) I think they posted the most wins ever for them in a three year span here. I can't speak for others, but I really liked the Sox teams in those years, particularly the 64 team. I said, it was "unfullfilling". Hey, I'm a White Sox fan, not a Yankee fan. I've got to hang on to the memories they did give me, which is exactly one pennant in my lifetime. The go go era ( 1951- 1967) will always be near and dear to me, especially since the Sox haven't come close to duplicating it since.

I'm with you on this one. Lots of good points here, but the Sox have driven me crazy the last 3 seasons with some really bad baseball fundementals, especially baserunning. I'm not close to the Minor League situation. Do we teach our young players anything? If so, how come they seem to forget once they get to the ML. Here is where coaching and managing can make a difference. Nardi and Wavin Wally anyone? Gary Ward? This is also a big reason why so many have lost faith in JM.

I'll hang with you until 1967, the end of the go go era, then pass the baton.

I've said it before I'll say it again. Jason, Mario and co are great guys. You should have awesome futures ahead of you. There was no internet when I was their age but there is no way I could have put something complex like this together. Great job guys. I also notice that this place is growing by leaps and bounds. People are dissatisfied elsewhere and are looking for a decent place to post and argue baseball and other issues. My best wishes for continued success.

Can't people see where this is leading? There are no guarantees in life. Nobody is promised a tomorrow. You can take what you think is real good care of yourself and still keel over and drop dead at a relatively young age. Conversely, you can break all the rules and live into your 80's and 90's. People are losing all sense of self reliance. The government can't make everything in life fair and equitable. Any attempt to do so will result in a society that resembles a police state. I'd rather eat my hot fudge marshmellow sundae and take my chances. Remember in spite of all the "dangers" we face longevity is at an all time high. If anyone falls ill for whatever reason send them a get well card and wish them the best. Hope they do the same for you if you ever need it. Don't get all tight about "paying" for this. The alternative eventually will lead to selective genocide. Of course corporations should be held accountable when they break the law.

:fyou YA dam b****o, and ya so dam lazy.......DONT worry I wont give you the finger back ill just smile Hey dumbass.. I have a firewall at work and I CAN'T look myself, f*** head! Open mouth, insert foot. .....THANKS for letting me know Whatever. It was obviously to much trouble for you to comprehend the "that time again" meaning of the thread title. This board has gone to s*** in the past month. The OT board really has. I mean if you want to masterbate great but who really gives a s***? I don't want to give up my last WS board.

After the 62 season everyone was predicting the demise of the White Sox. Billy Pierce was traded after the 61 season and then had one more big year going 16-6 with the pennant winning Giants. He got the opportunity to shine in the post season that Al Lopez had denied him in 1959. The Dodgers and Giants had tied in the regular season. In those days that meant a 2 out of 3 playoff in the NL. Pierce shut out the Dodgers in game one and got the save in game 3. He went 1-1 in the WS, pitching well but losing in game 3 and then throwing a 3 hitter in game 6. The Yanks won in game 7. It was to be their last WS win until 1977. Floyd Robinson had a real big year for the Sox. I loved watching "Robby" hit, he hit the ball so damn hard! Ray Herbert actually won 20 games and was the winning pitcher for the AL in the All star game. The AL wouldn't win again until 1971. The team the Sox would field in 1963 would be far different than the one in 1959. The Sox were about to begin an exciting but unfullfilling 3 year run.

Big government gets bigger every year. Everybody is guilty Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives. Everyone wants the government to do their bidding, make the world in their image, build them a road to happiness or success (paid for with other peoples money of course). What's next enforced broccoli eating? This is a free country and if you want to be fat then be fat and take your chances. As far as health goes all I have to say is come down with a major life threatening illness and you'll find out how little medical science really knows and how much healing is an art rather than a science. Now I'm going to have a piece of chocolate cake before I go to bed. With no f***ing guilt whatsoever.

When the Sox blew that game the other nite against the Giants I said it was a terrible loss. Maybe, just maybe this can be a real turnaround game with Mark outdueling Pedro.

For a variety of reasons I want Mark to right his own ship. Tonight was a great start. MB. Keep it going.

Agree RPS.

If I'm wrong great but Rauch and Borchard will never amount to anything. I give Borchard a longshot chance. Rauch completely underwhelms me. Of this subgroup I like Reed, Webster and Honel the best. What the hell happened to our top notch farm system in three short years? From where I'm sitting we're hurting badly at the moment.

President Grover Cleveland was 49 when he married a 22 year old Frances Folsom. Cleveland died at age 70 and his widow married ten or so years younger than her.

The 1961 Yankee team was topped only by their 1998 team as the best of my lifetime IMO. In 61 Mantle and Maris chased Ruth. For a while Jim Gentile of the Orioles was right up there with them. Floyd Robinson was one of my favorite WS players in that era. A line drive hitter who hit to all fields. He was a fireplug built similar to Kirby Puckett.

You got it exactly right. It was frustrating. Game 4 was a nightmare with Dybzinski running us out of a rally, and the Sox wasting Britt Burns fine effort.

I liked Singleton but got slammed but good on the boards for supporting him.

I hope some day you feel somone tap on your shoulder and when you turn around the guy says "Hi I'm Mark Buehrle."

Out of sight out of mind. It isn't right. Hope you're doing OK Nuke.

The White Sox traded away all of their young talent after the WS to get for the most part a bunch of washed up veterans. I was glad to see Minnie Minoso again. Despite their records Sox pitching for the most part stunk that year. The hitting was great by White Sox standards but the Yankees had a super team. The Sox were still in the hunt in late August. They had a big game in Baltimore and Ted Kluszcewski hit a three run homer that the umpire disallowed because he claimed he had called time!! I never saw Al Lopez get so mad. Naturally it cost the Sox the game and after that they were completely demoralized. The 60 WS was the most exciting in my lifetime IMHO. Maz's homer is the greatest moment ever in MLB history. Notice the Sox record breaking attendance for 1960. Back then a million was good, 1.5 million was great and 2 million was really great.