southsideirish

Nah, it will then be the ghost of the bartman ball. Or the curse of the Bartman ball. Some ridiculous ass s***!

So is 324 sporadic MLB ABs

That is not what it sounds like to me at all. He said it with a laugh for one. If you take it as Ozzie is full of s*** then I guess all the managers that Ozzie has watched snap are full of s*** as well. All of those managers had a routine set as well. LaRussa, McKeon, Torborg... I don't think that is what Frank is saying at all and I think you are reading too much into it.

Your exaclty right Rex. He did exactly the right thing and said all the right things.

Well, he was technically a former player and he didn't point fingers or name anyone specifically. Very different than what Turk did.

I know that this has been reported so I am not denying the possibility, but I don't completely understand how this happens. Didn't TB release him? How is he still a Buc? I thought if you were released then you are essentially a free agent. How do you keep someone's rights when you release them?

You are indeed correct about One Dog.

Don't you think that it should be proven before you start calling people out. I mean it is one thing for us, as fans, or even the media to speculate about things like that. But another player? I think that is unnessecary. Keep it to yourself, then when it is out in the open you can say what you want to say.

The strangest thing just happened in this thread. I have never seen this person admit they were wrong or made a mistake until this thread. However it happened. Then, of course, an insult accompanied it.

WHOA! Watch that!

I agree to some extent. Giambi has always been a good sized guy, but not to that extent. Sosa may or may not have been on steroids. I know for a fact he has used other supplements including andro, all of which he had denied using after McGwire was very open about using them. He stated he never used anything. That is a complete lie. It may not be the well known players that will get caught using them, however I am sure they are going to be the guys that you would suspect. Such as Brady Anderson or Mark Bellhorn types. Guys with one year power surges.

Exactly. Thank you White Sox 04 Plus I believe the original statement was "he only played in 25 games so he got 11,12 hits." If he received 2 ABs, as proposed, a game that would give him 50 ABs. 12/50 = .240 11/50 = .220 Far from hitting over .400. He would have needed 20 or more hits to hit .400 and above in 50 ABs. Oopsie daisy.

I would be pretty p.o.'d if I was Bonds right about now. Turk says it is just because it body changed and it was his trainer. Wasn't it also Sheff's trainer? Howcome he is commenting on Bonds and not Sheff? I find it hard to believe that a reported asked Turk Wendell about his thoughts on Bonds and his trainer. Just very odd that another player would come out and start accusing others of taking.

How does 11 or 12 hits in 25 games equal out to over .400? Did he only get one at bat a game?

Turk Wendell says Bonds was on juice: ESPN.com news services Someone is pointing a finger at Barry Bonds. And, ironically, it's a fellow major league baseball player. Colorado pitcher Turk Wendell told The Denver Post that if his personal trainer had been linked to, and charged in, an alleged steroid ring, he wouldn't get the same treatment that Bonds has. "If my personal trainer, me, Turk Wendell, got indicted for that, there's no one in the world who wouldn't think that I wasn't taking steroids," the Rockies relief pitcher told The Denver Post. "I mean, what, because he's Barry Bonds, no one's going to say that? "I mean, obviously he did it. [His trainer] admitted to giving steroids to baseball players. He just doesn't want to say his name. You don't have to. It's clear just seeing his body." Bonds' retort from Giants camp in Scottsdale, Ariz.: "I'm not going to comment on ignorance. Who's he?" “ [His trainer] admitted to giving steroids to baseball players. He just doesn't want to say his name. You don't have to. It's clear just seeing his body. ” — Turk Wendell Bonds was surrounded by reporters on his first day at spring training Monday, and was asked repeatedly about his ties to the supplements lab accused of illegally distributing steroids to dozens of athletes. He's always denied using steroids and did so again, saying baseball "can test me every day if they choose to." Bonds Wendell Yankees Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield, and Bonds testified in December before a grand jury probing BALCO, the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative that's at the center of the federal steroids case. Being subpoenaed did not mean an athlete was a target of the investigation. Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, testified to federal agents that he distributed steroids and other performance-enhancing substances to several major-league players. It is unclear whether he identified those players to the grand jury; none of the athletes was named in the court documents. "All I know is generally speaking, people start snitching," Cubs manager Dusty Baker told The Post. "That was the same thing in the Pittsburgh drug trial [in the 1980s]. People started scurrying and running and pointing. That's human nature: Save [yourself]." Giambi has said that better eating habits and hard workouts had left him leaner. Asked Monday whether he had taken performance-enhancing drugs, Giambi said: "Are you talking about steroids? No." Sheffield turned testy when pressed on the topic. He spoke about it a couple of times this month during informal workouts and said he had not used steroids. "It is a pretty good coincidence that some of the names that are linked to them are the guys that are the big, massive, overmuscular looking guys," Rockies pitcher Denny Neagle told The Post. "And guys that did go through some serious body changes. I don't know or remember what Jason Giambi looked like back in his early days, but I know he wasn't as big as he is now. The jury is always going to be out on Barry." Bonds, who turns 40 this summer, showed up at Giants camp right around his playing weight of 228 pounds. He will start the season two homers shy of tying Willie Mays for third on the career list with 660. Steroid testing was on the agenda Wednesday when the Players Association staff opened its annual tour of spring training camps at the Cubs' facility in Mesa, Ariz. The steroid issue came up several times. "We just went through with the players and reminded them what the procedures are," Michael Weiner, the No. 3 official in the union, told reporters. Union head Donald Fehr missed the opening of the tour because of minor surgery but is expected back when the meetings shift to Florida. Anonymous survey testing last season showed 5-7 percent of the tests were positive, triggering the start of testing with penalties this year. A first positive test for steroid use would result in treatment and a second in a 15-day suspension or fine of up to $10,000. "I hope testing itself would be enough of a deterrent," Rockies star Todd Helton told The Post. "Isn't that the reason for doing it? But I think some of those names might become public over time. And if that happens, it will be a big deterrent." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Jiggs? Really? I couldn't take much more of him. I also can't stand North and won't even tune into the Score if he is on. I will say Buffone was a lot easier to listen to with Jiggs, but I couldn't really take much of Jiggs. Boers and Bernsie are awesome. Fred sucks ass. I can't stand him and I can't believe he calls himself a Sox fan. He should be ashamed of himself. Then again if you are not talking Cub or Pro Cub then Murph won't even hear it. I do like J Hood as well. I would like to see Laurence Holmes get a shot, he is good listening.

Point taken, however that is not what my post was about. I never said that they could not do it or it wasn't possible. I just disagree in this instance. Look at it this way. Giambi lost a lot of muscle mass in his chest area. Could he be trying to loose this muscle mass and get more toned? Sure, but it is also a big coincidence that they are now testing for steroids as well. Gagne converted 52 out of 56 save ops 2 years ago. Last year he converted 55 out of 55 save ops. If you are him why the hell would you change anything at all? If you have been pitching this way the last 2 years with the weight then it is working. It is also a coincidence that he lost that much when they are now testing for steroids. I understand your point. I don't think you read the previous posts to see where I am coming from. I never said it wasn't possible. I did however disagree with Rex.

What did he say? Would you please share it with the rest of us that couldn't make it? Thank you.

You have taken that way out of context. I was in no way comparing my workout to an that of a professional athletes. I was stating that I know all about supplements, workout, and diet. Your comments were misdirected.

He didn't have to say anything at all. He could have pouted and taken the comments in the paper the wrong way and pouted about them. He came in and sat down with Ozzie and then said all the right things to the press. He didn't even have to come in yesterday. He had until today and actually had until next week. He showed a lot of character through both what he had to say and his actions yesterday.

I must say I bashed Frank for not returning calls. I bashed him for reports that he wanted to be traded. I AM VERY IMPRESSED at how he handled himself yesterday. He said all the right things. He came in a day early. I am very proud to have him on the White Sox. I hope he puts a phenomenal year together and the Sox make the playoffs. He also said that he is closer to Ozzie Guillen than he ever was with Manuel. It looks great right now. I bashed him when I thought he was wrong and I will praise him now for what I think was a great move. He handled everything wonderfully yesterday.

If Giambi lost all that weight in his stomach. He lost his muscle mass in his chest. What conclusion does that bring you to?

Excuse me sir, where did I say this? All I said to you was I disagreed with you. I never said it wasn't possible. Round and round we go.

Hey lets not get mean about it. I never said it wasn't possible. I said I disagreed with it. 2nd of all I do work out. I am at Lifetime Fitness in Warrenville at 5:30 AM 5 days a week (WED and SAT off). I am currently taking or was taking many EAS products including phosphogen HP (their version of creatine), cytovol, and myoplex protein drinks. Don't tell me about workouts and what you can do with diet and supplements. I know all about it. Thank you for your concern though.