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QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) From ESPN (and Steve Phillips so TIFWIW): Could the Sox top this? Would they want to? I don't know if the Sox would want to but that isn't that great of a package. Heilman is what he is and those sort of guys are a dime and dozen while Humber is a starting prospect with a great arm but numerous arm problems. Basically put you are trading for one truly valuable prospect. This would be a steal for the Mets. A package of Danks, Gio, and Sweeney would top that Mets package and that would be a steal from the Sox standpoint. I'm hoping that Kenny reacts to his club losing out on these offensive pieces and moves Koenrko for numerous quality players and than trades for a stud young starter and opts to build through a great rotation hoping a cast of 9 solid players (many of which have upside) who play great defense, have solid team speed and a bit of pop can compete (I think it could).

QUOTE(Chombi @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:08 PM) Really? Only feels like last season. My appologizies. My time spent on this board tonight is starting to take it's toll. I am just worn out. The life of a DH sox fan. Too emotionally involved. No worries. He was drafted the same year as Ian Kennedy and last season was his first full season with the Dbacks (he was pretty good IIRC). I'm still bummed that Kennedy didn't fall to the Sox two years ago (I was all about him since about his freshman year at USC).

QUOTE(Chombi @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) You know. You're toying with me right now. I mention LaPorta a lot on here and routinely get shot down. It's fun and I won't mention the story behind it because I sense people are getting aggitated with my man-crush on him, when it is merely just a great opportunity I see to acquire a guy like him. Also, I was informed he can't be dealt for a year since he was drafted. That I believe is true but I saw a report that the A's and Dbacks were discussing deals but talks didnt go far because they were insisting on Scherzer (Mizzou boy and guy I would love to have here). So I am not sure what the actual rule is as far as time before getting dealt. Scherzer wasn't in this past draft, he was drafted the year before so he is eligible to be traded.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:30 PM) Gwynn Jr. wouldn't even be in the majors if not for who his father is. That is a bunch of BS. His bat may not pan out but the guy would make almost any bench in baseball based on his defensive skill set and defensive versatility.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) Bill Hall is someone the Sox are very very interested in. He could play CF and the Brewers still have a major need in the pen. I know I'd rather have MacDougall closing than Riske closing (Mac has actually suceeded at that spot). Could a MacDougall/Crede/Prospect for Hall trade work out (of course Hall doesn't exactly fill the top of the order). I think it is more likely you'd see Crede for a starting pitcher or a prospect or two (not a great prospect).

I didn't see it on the link either.

I can't see the Sox having any interest for Luke Scott unless of course they are trading Quentin elsewhere. That would be more than fine value though, its just its not a need unless Sox could get a 3rd team involved. I like the idea of Burke as a bench guy who will be around a couple years and has the talent to start (really was awful last year though). I just think Crede can get you more than that.

On the other side, the Astros would definitely have interest in Crede. I just don't think Crede for Burke is fair value (Sox would need something else, imo).

Interesting. Burke would be a nice backup option at 2nd and he could also fill in in the outfield. Great defense and if Richar doens't pan out can start (plus he probably could platoon if necessary). I just wouldn't give up much of value for Burke (ie any top flight talent). I also think this would mean the Sox have to get rid of Crede/Uribe. I'm going to guess a reliever for Burke deal if it were to happen (one or two of the guys that Kenny has soured on).

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:41 PM) Ozzie was quoted in the Florida paper about how Cabrera wants to play for him if he can't play for the Marlins. He also reported Cabrera has been working out with a personal trainer everyday and has dropped 15 lbs. since the end of the season. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...1204marlins.htm Haha, we posted this within seconds of each other.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...204marlins.html This is an article talking about how Ozzie has commented on how much he'd love Cabrera to play for the Sox (but that he can't say much due to tampering). Also, Cabrera has indicated that he would love to come to Chicago. I don't know if the Sox have the talent to get a deal done nor do I have any clue what the hell the rest of the roster would look like after making such a trade, but you are talking about one of the premier players in the game and it isn't often when you have a chance to acquire a 24 year old who is already better than almost every offensive player in the game. I also say for the Sox to contend, Kenny would have to have some money to make another signing (as well as extend Cabrera) and be able to move Konerko and Contreras to fill up whatever holes are left from the moves (and in Contreras case just free up payroll to give money to guys who need it more).

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:35 PM) It's funny, D-Backs fans don't seem to mind about this that greatly, mainly because they don't think Quentin will ever become the player he was slated to be. And I find that crazy considering the injury he had in 2007, his age, relative experience etc. and he'll be hitting in a very good hitters park. Carter and Cunningham could become quite good everyday players for the D-Backs eventually, but we've gotten 2 players in Richar and Quentin, who are young, cheap, and can contribute now, and most importantly, offer the team the payroll flexibility it so desperately needs considering some of the salaries some of the older more established players make. Maybe he looked like Brian Anderson at the plate I remember seeing Quentin play a good deal in college (number of Fullerton/Stanford games I saw) and a decent amount with the Dbcaks (watch quite a few Dbacks Dodgers game in general as well as the ocassional Dbacks game just to watch one of my favorite players Young) and always though when I saw him that he seemed to have a pretty solid swing.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:35 PM) He is. I called around to find out. By all reports he is doing very well. Sweet

Actually he is not able to sign a contract till like March due to being franchised (at least i think that is how it works). Although the Bears may be able to sign him but than lose the right to the franchise tag for a couple of years (I forget, but there is some sort of penalty). Rosenhaus has been seen at Halas hall a bit more lately and that could very well be due to Briggs and the Bears. I know Briggs recently said as long as the Bears offer him a fair deal he will retire a Bear.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:20 PM) It's Crede who's on the way out....trust me. I don't doubt it and I think Kenny is just posturing to give himself a bit more leverage by using a quote like this. However, If some team were willing to give Kenny a blue chip talent (who he likes more than Fields) than I could see him making the deal (although he loves Fields).

I wouldn't be stunned if Kenny could get a young impact player with a package surrounding Fields. Still, Crede is probably the guy whose on his way out.

I think both can be solid players but Bay screams left fielder who isn't great defensively while Quentin is a guy with loads of defensive tools and quite a bit of offensive upside. I think Quentin could have some seasons like Bay did, all while playing better defensively. Note: Key word is "could". Still I am a big believer in building a roster with as much talent as possible and seeing what pans out.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) That sounds nothing at all like the Ozzie Guillen we've come to know, in terms of not being in love with the speedy guy. Ozzie made the OBP comment, and honestly, the 2 deals we've seen have helped with that. But I still think Ozzie will focus on having a speedy guy at the top of his lineup, and unless someone here wants Podsednik in CF next year, Owens looks like the default. Ozzie ripped Owens a lot early in his time up. He also commended him on how he had improved and actually played with confidence upon his second stint. Still I think the Sox realize Owens has a very limited ceiling and they have a plan that doesn't involve Jerry. At teh same time it can do nothing but help the Sox by indicating they have some confidence in Jerry (both in giving Jerry some trade value but also in Kenny at least not appearing totally desperate when it comes to FA negotiations with Rowand/Jones or trade negotiations).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) God, I can't put into words how stupid it would be for this team to give up Cunningham, while in a position of needing more OF's, for Richar, and then give up on Richar after 2 months of surprisingly rapid growth, in order to pick up Loretta or Iguchi because they've decided those 2 guys are their only leadoff options. The question is could the Sox live with Rowand and Cabrera as there 1 & 2 hitters. The OBP wouldn't be amazing but both guys would be very solid and serviceable that is for sure. Plus they are great defensive players and in Rowands case if he did what he did last year from the 2 spot he would be posting not only a good OBP but a great average. You than hope that Richar eventually develops and you can than actually slide him to the leadoff spot in time (but go with the veterans Rowand/Cabrera early on). Again I should add that the Sox add a good starter (Kenny and Ozzie have done nothing but preach pitching and I continue to think if he moves Konerko you will see him buy a pitcher).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) I'm not saying he wouldn't have a ton of value...it's just that the definition of "A ton" might be somewhat less than what people think we'd get for him. He's not going to draw the same amount that Santana, Bedard, Haren are talking about no matter how much we might think so. Balta, you'd probably be just as good as anyone else when it comes to this. Do the Dodgers bite on Loney or Kemp plus Broxton for Konerko? I think they would do it. The Sox would be getting one front line stud position prospect (both of whom have already produced at the major league level) as well as a projectable young reliever (they obviously could go for other Dodger prospects, but it seems like Kenny would like another good arm for the pen and Broxton would definitely be that). I'd obviously prefer Billingsley but that may not be realistic.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) I'm not saying he wouldn't have a ton of value...it's just that the definition of "A ton" might be somewhat less than what people think we'd get for him. He's not going to draw the same amount that Santana, Bedard, Haren are talking about no matter how much we might think so. I think right now teams are more glued to Cabrera, but once Cabrera goes Konerko is the best available bat (absolutely no doubt about that). He has a fair contract, has produced on world series teams, and is known as a very good clubhouse guy (plus he's a great defensive 1st baseman). Any team in need of a major bat (after Cabrera goes) would be knocking down the Sox door, imo. I think they could easily get a 2 young major league players and an above average prospect (similar to the rumored Dbacks trade or what some of us would like from the Angels). Another sleeper has to be the Dodgers. A package headlined by Kemp or Loney plus a starting prospect and a reliever would have to interest the Sox. In fact I think the Sox would do a Kemp or Loney plus Broxton deal straight up (I also think the Dodgers would make said deal). The one problem with the rumored Dodgers deal is that the Sox would still have a potentially weak rotation (again that could be solved with the Sox going out and giving up a good chunk of arms for one good young arm). I'd definitely be all about having Loney play 1st, with the Sox spending Paulie's money on Rowand or Jones and than shipping out Crede/Uribe for prospects (they wouldn't need a reliever) and than packaging MacDougall and whatever minor leaguers for a good young starter.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:39 PM) Am I the only one who thinks that the reason for not dealing Konerko might not be that KW doesn't have the balls, but that no one offers the King's ransom you guys want for him? I'd say that about a lot of GM's but not Kenny. If he was willing to deal Aaron Rowand coming off a world series championship he'll be willing to deal Paul Konerko if it makes the team better. Kenny could give two craps about the fans opinion of things because he knows deep down the only guaranteed way is to ensure a packed house is by winning (not just winning over half your games, but by competing for the playoffs and consistently having a shot to and hopefully win the series). Bottom line if Kenny has a move that makes the team better he will do it (whether it means giving up Paul Konerko or Mark Buehrle or whoever the hell else).

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:34 PM) My prediction is we sign Rowand in the next week, and Owens will leadoff and play LF vs rhp, and Cabrera will leadoff vs lhp. It's too bad we didn't make a run at Josh Hamilton, as the Reds might be talking to the Cubs about him. If the Sox sign Rowand I expect Rowand to be the 2 hole hitter with OC leading off and Richar in the 9 spot. Quentin would be down in the lineup and like Richar have little pressure on him early on (which should help both develop). I really don't buy into Owens starting next season. He just isn't near as talented as Quentin (or Sweeney for that matter). There is very little logic in the Sox moving Carter for a platoon guy. There is a whole lot of sense moving Carter for a guy with similar upside (if not better upside) that is major league ready (who also fills a much more major need, ie a good defensive outfielder).

QUOTE(BearSox @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:10 PM) Dodgers have offered him a two year 16 million dollar contract... KW Better be all over this. As in 8M per season or 2 years at 16M per year. I assume it is the latter?

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:34 PM) The sox just got their Jason Bay in Quentin. Now could Fukudome be next? It could depend on how likely could he hit leadoff and play CF. I don't think I'd call Quentin Bay. Bay has had a couple all star seasons already.