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QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:29 AM) On the other hand, if 88 mph Garcia shows up again, we just robbed the Astros of their best prospect. I honestly believe that KW is looking to acquire a young starting pitcher so that he can trade McCarthy also. Ya I like the idea of getting a top prospect but McCarthy is very similar to Hirsch with one major exception, McCarthy has shown he can pitch a lot more innings (did so in the minors) and Hirsch has never shown that and has always been tagged with durability issues. His numbers are filthy but his stuff isn't exactly what I'd call superior (hence why I compare him with Bmac in the first place). If I trade Freddy I look for power guys that can develop into aces because those are guys teams will always overpay for (if we do trade them later). I just think if the club uses its leverage right we could finally pull things off with the Angels and than slide Mac to the Rays for Crawford (with the Sox giving up something else as well).

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:18 AM) From roto... The Philadelphia Inquirer says a deal sending Jon Lieber to Milwaukee for Kevin Mench and Derrick Turnbow is in place, pending the result of the Phillies' negotiations with the White Sox. The Phillies might not make the trade unless they can get Freddy Garcia from the White Sox, probably using Aaron Rowand and Gavin Floyd. It's unclear whether that will work, and White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen isn't wild about the idea. "We have a center fielder right now," Guillen said. "I won't trade one of my pitchers one-for-one for Rowand right now. He's a good player, but we're not desperate for a center fielder. I love Aaron, but we need more." Please don't do this trade KW! If we were getting Turnbow, Rollins and Rowand I'd do it.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) I have to disagree with you here. Hirsh is a big time pitching prospect, and I doubt the Astros would give him up. Also, Burke is definitely in their future plans after 2007, so I don't think they'd give him up either. I'm more concerned that the deal would focus on Tavares, who is a bad player. An outfield with Pods and Tavares would be a disaster. I'm not saying Hirsch isn't a top prospect. He's the Astros' top prospect but there are other teams that are better matches. I am not trading Freddy unless we get some special prospects because I think he's going to have a hell of a season next year.

QUOTE(Shamrock4Life @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 01:09 AM) i love me some pablo. and boy is this site slow for me tonight. There was a fiber cut on the server last night so that led to some stalls.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) Hirsh and Burke for Freddy G + $$$ and/or a prospect or two (Phillips, Tracey). That'd work for me. Burke could play mainly LF in 2006 2007, and switch to 2B in 2007 2008. Hirsh, despite very mediocre peripherals, had one heckuva year in the PCL last year. 2.10 ERA, under seven hits per nine. Anyone have a scouting report? He doesn't look to be at the level of a Pelfrey, but I'd say he's probably a step above Broadway. I know this looks fairly lopsided in our favor, getting six years of Hirsh and another three-four years of Burke, but as Flash said, I'm not looking for straight up equal value -- I want to make a killing! Sorry Keith, but I think we get absolutely reamed in that deal. Hirsch isn't near the prospect I want if all we are getting in addition to him is Burke (who is a decent player but will never be anything great). Freddy Garcia has been great and could still be great so there is no way I'm dealing him without getting the possibility of greatness in return (meaning upper echelon spects that can help the team now, some of which could be moved to get the club its CFer). QUOTE(GLOAD is GOD @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 07:33 AM) The Sox are in the perfect situation to explore a three or four team deal, the problem is Kenny can never really create those.......Getting a team like Houston or the New york involved with a three-team trade may be the best way to net prospects like Hirsh or Pelfrey. We got Colon in a 3 way deal.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:21 PM) Well there's reports that the Yankees wouldn't even be willing to deal Sanchez straight up for Buehrle so those last 2 scenerios seem highly unlikley. That report makes absolutely no sense to me though so I just can't believe that would be the case. QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) KW will do his homework before trading for Farnsworth. I do not know from first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure I've read things here at Soxtalk that would make me very concerned about bringing him back to Chicago. He allegedly used to party a bit too much. I plead ignorance to Melky. Would he be a nice addition to the Sox? Farnsworth had some sort of chemical imbalance IIRC and it was diagnosed late in his tenure with the Cubs but I remember it was something similar to ADD and it kept him from being able to focus and since than he's taking medication to correct the problem. QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) Wait, Guillen concerning himself with OBP AND recognizing the failures of Scott Podsednik in such a capacity? It's really amazing to read such quotes. Especially in the wake of addressing Mackowiak's time in CF. Atleast now I'm somewhat convinced he's capable of evaluating players beyond intagibles such as speed, clubhouse demeanor, or which hand a player bats with. Still have to work with him and McCarthy, though. Ya, Ozzie pissed me off with his Bmac comments and than went out and made me very happy with his comments about Pods and a lot of other issues with the Sox last year. On a sidenote, if we get a guy to leadoff and find someone else for the 2 hole I really would be intrigued with Pods in the 9 spot.

I must admit, if the club is willing to sign him to an extension, I'd be all over giving up one of our starters, Anderson and a prospect.

I wonder what the Braves could offer for one of our starting pitchers (if in fact they are looking for another starter). I am starting to warm to the idea of Baldelli because I think he has the ability to be a very good player and when healthy he's already a good player, imo. The thing is the Drays seem to be asking for too much and right now we don't really have that much leeway to give up spects. However, with all our starters technically we could still offer up guys like Broadway (plus we have a batch of decent prospects like Harrell, Russell, Egbert that could draw some interest).

Wow...thats what I'm talking about...aim high and than settle for Santana (which is still high). But god to get someone like Lackey...I'd be stoked. The guy is a total horse and would definately fit into our rotation most awesomely.

Boston's defense got worse up the middle since Gonzalez is a stud there and Lugo is not (defensively speaking). I really don't understand why they are spending all this money on offense cause they need to upgrade the pitching staff.

Just remember Drew did make a wise move opting out of his contract because he got a lot more money. This is still a far better deal than the one the Angels handed to Gary Matthews Jr. But flat out you don't win in this free agent market unless you really are just a piece away from winning it all (in which case go ahead and overpay for a star).

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) That has to be a cover story to hide AROD negotiations. I can't see KW trading a starter for bullpen help. Maybe if there were some prospects involved or Melky? I think it's B.S. Or you get Melky, one of the studs from the Tigers, and a power relief arm like Farnsworth. Not saying its a deal they make but its not the worse thing in the world. I still think your more likely right and I think they are probably talking Arod but from there other talks may have occured but Kenny may have went with that and than said nah this doesn't make sense.

Fullerton down 6 against the Bruins. A total joke though cause Affalo hit a 3 following a Fullerton charge as time expired. The joke was that it wasn't a charge (even the Bruins announcers were laughing about the poor call) so it should be a 2-3 point game. Lets get em Titans!!!

I've closed this thread since we have had a different Arow rumor pop up and figure its nice to have a seperate thread for that for the time being. Eventually I'll reopen it and bring that other thread in with this one if that rumor quiets down.

The Phils don't have the prospects I'd want to make this deal plausible. If somehow we got Rollins instead of Rowand than I'd listen and be quite interested. Both Madsen and Floyd are relatively talented but neither can be considered top prospects at this point anymore, imo.

QUOTE(To LA from Chicago @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) Has anyone ever thought about 'IMHO'? I mean, have you even known anyone to have a dishonest opinion? Just asking.. Welcome aboard

White Sox Sign Po-Yu Lin By Jason Gage FutureSox.com

Good stuff. Pablo is a damn good utility guy that does a lot of good things.

Thought this was good to hear. I think Brandon has a pretty thin frame but he should be able to consistently add 10-15 pounds of muscle each off-season for the next couple years. I really think that will help him eventually settle into throwing consistently in the 93 MPH range while ocassionally being able to go a little harder. I also think it will make him better able to handle the bumps and bruises of an entire season of starting.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:00 AM) The market wasnt what it is right now. Gil Meche, who basically is a 5th starter and has never sniffed 200 innings is going to get a 4 year deal for 10-12 a year. Thats about as inflated as the market gets. Also, why would we be better suited to deal one of our pitchers? I cant see why we should settle for a deal, just because making a move is the best thing we can do. As it stands right now, we most likely still have one of the best rotations in the AL, with one of the most potent lineups. If the deal does not favor us, we are better off standing pat until something catches our attention. I will say this again. If we take the team we took into last year, or something of equal value, the team wins 95+ games 7 out of 10 times. We got pretty unlucky last year and had a year that was disappointing, but also somewhat uncharacteristic of the talent on our team. I think many people on here have xbox or fantasy syndrome where you think that any deal will improve the team, as long as we move pieces. Prospects are also so overvalued on this board. We really arent a small market team, and as good as acquiring a stable of spects to bolster our minor league system would be, I would rather have an establish Ace like Mark Buehrle and sign him to an extension. We are definately seeing things the same way this off-season.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:36 AM) He'll be back next year, book it. All-star for the third straight year. Do you think 5/65 would get it done? I think he would listen to that and I think its a pretty fair offer considering the season he's coming off of. On the FA market I think he would get 5/75 to 5/80 which is roughly 15 or 16 million per season so I could definately see him taking 2 million less knowing he gets it now as opposed to having to wait another season. Plus if he has another season like the last one he wouldn't get near that offer. And if he pitches like Mark usually does, its a pretty damn good deal for both sides. Get er done!!!!

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) I'd say 5/65 is a fair deal for Buehrle and the Sox. Get it done KW. And Boz will officially declare Buehrle his lover upon the signing of the extension Speaking of which...you better be finding a way to get Mark back to his old ways.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:28 AM) Jas, this sentence doesn't make sense...the market is what determines the value of a player, not just a random dollar amount. And the stock market said AOL was worth a ridiculous amount a few years back, but any idiot could have told you they really weren't. Its just the market went crazy and went out of control and people figured oh well someone dumber will pay more and more so they kept going. Just because this year says Riske could maybe get 3 million (and he wouldn't get it if they had to give up a draft pick, not with the other options out there cause he would accept arb and come back to the Sox...I guarantee it) doesn't mean thats what he is actually worth. Is Gary Matthews Jr. worth 11 million, no and thats coming from one of his bigger fans.

Or instead of having that money tied up in Riske we could go out and sign an asian pitching prospect thats 20 years old who has some serious potential for upside. I still laugh at how everyone dumped on Riske and than expects the Sox to offer him arbitration knowing that if we did we'd be stuck with him at like 3 million a year (and no, he isn't worth that and I'd rather the Sox spend 3 million on something else). You can tell me in this market 3 million wouldn't be that bad but I'd tell you that regardless of the market he isn't worth 3 million nor do we need him. I'd just as well work Haeger into the pen (and we know I'm not the biggest fan of that).

Oh man, thats a steal for the Angels. I'd be all over the idea of getting Chad Tracy, especially once they add another starter to there rotation (thus pushing Saunders out of it, even though I like Joe but he will never be a front line guy, back of the rotation guy yes and maybe a good back of the rotation guy).