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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) Tom Cruise did alright, pretty much what I expected from him. The little girl in the movie was incredible. She portrayed the terror so well, and didn't have to give that shrill little kid cry to do it. She stole the movie. Dakota Fanning was fantastic. Every movie she's in you find yourself getting caught up with her character. I wonder if she'll suffer some sort of child star fate. I don't know if she will, but man is she good (from I am Sam to all the other stuff she's done).

Hopefully Jose is ok. It would put the Sox in a tough bind if both him and Duque are down.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:14 PM) I suppose it depends on what the Sox do with the $8.5 million they'd save. Put at least half into a productive third baseman perhaps if they don't want to keep Crede, and the rest in the bullpen. Or say Chavez at 3rd

I finally saw it and enjoyed it quite a bit as well. Good action scenes. There were some cheasy parts, but as a whole I liked the movie. I had to look past my dislike for Tom Cruise. I used to not mind him, but now I find myself calling him a deuche Good movie though, don't know if I'd say great...thats reserved for Batman Begins.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) You wouldn't have Gio Gonzalez as an untouchable Jason? No. I like Gio a lot as a prospect, but no way am I going to list an A ball pitcher as untouchable. He has a lot more to prove before I'd mark him as untouchable. Plus if the Sox are getting a guy like AJ Burnett and are willing to sign him for another couple years, than ya, I'd deal him in a heartbeat. Just throwing out a random name, but if they are getting a major leaguer that will help them now and in the future years, I'd deal him and wouldn't think twice. IF he was putting up those numbers in AA or AAA, another story, but A ball is still a ball. He's still got a long way to go.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) I did see that. The thing I never thought I'd see would be John Stamos on our board He'll be at the next tailgate too Ranger. I hope you were a full house fan, cause he'll sign all the pictures you have of him.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) Our discussion is kind of two-fold. Is Young the one player I wouldn't deal, no matter what? As of right now, no. It's exactly that greater chance of a flop. Can he turn into a productive MLB player? Sure. I just want to reserve judgement til after some more minor league experience,w hich both you and i know he needs anyways. By no means am I saying he will flop. I'm just saying that his chances at "high reward" don't overwhelm me as much as they do you. Of course, I'm never gonna hear the end of it from you when he recieves his first all-star bid. My thoughts are this. Untouchables are guys that can become total stars. I'm less likely to say that Sweeney is going to be a total star. He's just not matched his potential with production. He has good tools across the board and has a nice swing, but the numbers aren't there. If Sweeney starts raking I could put him back into that category and he has been rushed a bit, but this year will be the time where he's given the opportunity to settle in (next year could be a year in which he explodes and I know a few people think he'll do so in the 2nd half). When it comes to Young he skipped WS and is still clubbing the hell out of the ball. He plays an awesome CF and is very fast. Plus he has the ability to hit 30 HR's and 40-50 doubles. The guy is an xtra base machine and could be like Andruw Jones. Ie, never hit for much average, but just hit tons of xtra base hits. Not saying he'll be like Andruw defensively either, but he's definately an above average CF. Anderson rates ahead of both, although once again Young may be the best talent wise of the group. Its hard to say though because Anderson has the stronger arm, but a little less power. Both are very good and Anderson is a lot closer and much more of a "sure thing". Not that he is a sure thing cause there is no such thing as that. When it comes to pitchers the only untouchable I'd list would be Bmac. Even then he wouldn't be untouchable for a stud player that would be here for more than just this year. Same can be said for every prospect in the system.

QUOTE(brijames @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) Is it just me or is it excruciatingly painful watching Contreras pitch? Yes, but when he pitches good its a thing of beauty. Its just hard cause he hits those funks in an inning where he can't throw strikes. Still, I complain sometimes when watching Jose, overall I've been impressed with him this year and he's making strides. The guy I can't stand watching is Duque.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Keep the pressure on, I would run Iguchi here. Kendall has a noodle arm. Pods, Guchi, and Rowand should be running all series long. I'd tell them they can go when they are comfortable and would even let them push it a bit. Kendall isn't a good defensive catcher and they should take advantage of it. I wouldn't do this with Uribe (awful jumps) or any of the other runners, but I'd even think of letting Carl or Dye run at one point or another this season. Carl isn't that quick, but he always seems to get real good jumps.

Good idea splitting this Alex. I just can't look past the way he plays center mixed with the fact that he's an extra base hit machine. When he hits the ball, there's a good shot its gonna be a big time hit. Heck Young could turn into a right handed version of Jim Edmons. Ie, when he makes contact he just crushes the ball. Thats probably a stretch, but when I talk explosive, I mean a guy that can just make things happen on the field. He's the type of guy that can have huge huge games. He'll also hit some funks. All that said I do agree he has a greater chance of flopping than other prospects. I'm really looking forward to seeing Jenks curveball and if its where it was when he was healthy with the Angels. If it is and Jenks is mentally stable, he should be at the major league level at some point this year, even if it is at Baj's expense. I love Baj, but Jenks is a total stud and is near ready, if not ready, to contribute at the major league level. Baj is also ready, but Jenks has the ability to be an explosive reliever while I think of Baj more as a serviceable reliever (something all teams need).

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:51 PM) We're all over the place tonight... Kinda spilling over to the other thread.... I'm not doubting Chris can put it all together, nothing would make me happier. I'm just saying that if I had to pick one Sox OF prospect to get excited over, it's not him. Of course, you've known I'm high on Anderson and Sweeney, and if I had that untouchable tag, it'd go on Brian. Things can definitley change in a year, and I am excited abotu Chris and his power numbers. I just want to see that average go up. Hell, the Sox proved this year you don't need power to win, and I'm excited as to the prospects of Anderson fitting into that mold. Doesn't mean that a Young, Anderson and Sweeney/Owens OF in Charlotte next year shouldn't be fun as heck to watch. But that's a year away. Sorry Alex, but the Sox proved that you need pitching to win. They still are amongst the major league leaders in HR's (top 7 I think) and are scoring runs at a decent clip as well. Pods gives them an extra dimension in terms of creating runs, but the reason this team is winning (the big reason) is the play from both the rotation and the bullpen. If the Sox had this sort of production from their staff last year, they'd be in a similar place.

I was so worried Jose would throw that away or something.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:46 PM) Yes, I know. I was also the one wondering about the obsession. I know batting average isn't the be-all and end-all, but his still worries me. Does he go to the opposite field much? I wonder if BHAM could help with that... He can hit the ball with authority to all parts of the field. His average will never be great, but I think he's one of those guys that will hit for power no matter where he goes. He's also semi tough to pitch to because he can hammer good pitches. Still, he needs to work more on hitting the breaking ball cause thats the one spot that could potential reak havoc on him at the major league level, imo. He's making strides though.

Looked like he was gripping for the change or splitter and that really got away from him. Sox lucked out too.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:47 PM) Now he's 0-2. What do you do here? Gas him upstairs. Changeup in the dirt or a splitter in the dirt. I got faith in AJ blocking it.

Its weird....Jose looked so smooth in the 1st inning, now this. Still, I think we'll all be loving Jose later on this year. For some reason I see him getting things together and just having an insane stretch (potentially during the playoffs). He's made a lot of strides this year and at times he reverts, but in general I think he's taken a few steps forward and is much closer to reaching his potential (which is great). Come on Contreras, get Scutaro.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) Jason, is Young's mom there right now? You're very flowery toward him (more than usual) tonight. Whats there to say about a guy who has totally raked the crap out of the ball (Xbase hits wise) after skipping a level. He also has plus tools and can just make things happy. Sure he's raw, but the ability is there. I'd rather see the Sox deal Sweeney as opposed to Young. Even though I happen to think Sweeney will have a strong 2nd half and we will see his average in the .300 range or right near it by the end of the year.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) I'm gonna put an "Untouchable" label on a little bit more of a sure thing. Nothing against Young, but the high risk makes me wary. I'm feeling too many Borchard vibes with the bat. Borchard may of flopped but I'd of s*** a brick if the Sox had dealt him after he had that monster year in Bham. It turned out to flame, but it was the right call to make Joe Borchard untouchable. Its too bad he couldn't get things straight. He is doing a solid job in Charlotte and I wish him the best. He'll be in another org next year and maybe he'll get a shot to be a role player somewhere else. However, Young is incredibly explosive. He's got a shot to be very very special. Of course I've been oozing over Young for quite a while.

Ya, without looking it up I think so. Sox drafted him two years ago and thought he had a dynomite arm. Obviously they still feel he did. He was supposedly a tough sign and most teams passed him by and he really wasn't on many teams radars because of this. However, since the Sox had drafted him they obviously were privy to a little more information and felt he would be a good choice.

I'd say there is a good chance at that. Heck, I'd go as far as to say that he tends to have a simliar approach to Iguchi. Although he definately doesn't have the pop. However, if you notice how Guchi always seems to make adjustments and is very willing to go opposite field, Getz is similar. Basically put, he's a smart hitter, he just will not ever hit a ton of HR's. I'm interested in seeing how Aaron Cunnigham does. He has pretty good power potential and solid tools across the board. Of course one of the guys I'm most interested in would be Collaro. If he can continue to shorten his swing and make progress in terms of strike recognition, he could turn into a very special player. He flat out has more power potential than anyone else in the Sox system. Chris Young and Brian Anderson would probably be next on this list and than of course Brandon Allen. But good lord can Collaro hammer the ball. He's an extra base machine...I'd even say he's a more raw version of Chris Young (offensively speaking). He has nowhere near the other tools that Young has (Young is a 4 tool guy, with the only tool lacking being his arm).

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) A developer has applied for an eminent domain permit to build a hotel on the land which Supreme Court Justice David Souter's house currently sits http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html I hope they go through with it. What a freaking deuche Souter is.

Moved to the around the horn forum.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) I've got a real tough time putting that label on Young. Young is quite possibly the most talented outfielder in the system, although you could make that same case for Anderson. Anderson has similar tools although he would rate about a notch below in terms of power potential. However Anderson is a little more fluid and has a much stronger arm. Aside from that, there tools rank relatively even across the board. Anderson also projects to hit for a little better average than Young. However, I'm starting to think the Sox have two special OF prospects between Anderson and Young and I'm hoping come the deadline KW can sell Sweeney's potential and past spring and find a way to hold onto Anderson/Young, although I tend to think after the trade deadline one of these 3 outfielders will be gone.

Getz can handle the bat. He may not be the most toolsy player ever, but I think he's the type of guy that could move through the minors relatively quickly. I don't know if he'll turn into a very good player, but I definately see him being a utility type player at the very least. At the best, I could see him as a Counsell type, maybe even an Eckstein (ie, not amazing ability, but capable of handling the bat).

I'd agree with that. I think you'll see him get a few outings there and have him work up his stamina and than you'll see him in Kanny. He could even get a stop in Great Falls, but I highly doubt the Sox would do that (it usually appears guys are in GF or Bristol and the only time they go to the other is if they repeat rookie ball the next year).