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I think 3yr 18 million gets a deal done.

Guys, just finished reading this book of a thread. Man, I really need to study more often. At first I was a little pissed reading through the thread. Then I saw Vizcaino and Pos coming our way and when I read that Ginter was coming too I was really excited. However I think thats debatable. And right now I think they are saying a PTBNL because the Sox have to make a roster move and pull someone from their 40 first. Then I think things will open back up. I'm assuming Paulino Reynoso is pulled from the 40. This deal is something I like for two reasons, but as of now, it comes down heavily to who the Sox target and who the PTBNL is. The Brewers happen to have an oustanding farm system, so if they are getting a very good prospect, I'm quite pleased with the deal. If they get Ginter I'm very excited about the deal as well. I think Pos will probably hit .260 or so and have a poor OBP compared to what you'd like out of a leadoff hitter, but at the same time you can pencil in 50 stolen bases and he's going to help create some runs or at least score them. It kills to lose Lee, as I'd rather of dealt Konerko, but the Sox are gonna save about 7 million and now should have roughly 10 million to toss around if they have a budget around 72-74 million. What I do know is that the Sox all of a sudden have a very good bullpen. You don't know how happy this makes me cause I've long said the Sox need to add two good relievers and they have done EXACTLY that. I'm hoping Odalis Perez inks a deal with the Sox.

Sox and Brewers working on a deal surrounding Lee and Posednik. Ginter's name has also been mentioned on the Brewers, but no other names have came up yet.

I should add, these type of moves rarely have an effect on the major league club. This is a move done to potentially improve Charlotte. But who knows, anything could happen.

He had an elbow surgery during his tenure at A&M. Prior to his injury he had dynamite stuff. Actually missed roughly two seasons with the Aggs both from the same arm injury (it was like a surgery that kept him out of most of two seasons). I'm assuming Tommy John but not positive on that. Would of been a higher pick had he had the opportunity to show that he was healthy.

When my finals are over I'll write something better on Warp. But he is a guy that may have some upside. Missed all of 2003 with arm trouble and 2004 was his first year back. Don't know what his injury was in 03, but his 02 numbers were very good in Aball. 2-4, 2.48 ERA in 15 starts. 70 hits in 76.1 innings with 61 strikeouts. Most of his outings last year came in the SAL, which is the same league Kanny plays in. Was an 8th round pick in 2002 out of Texas A&M.

Welcome aboard We'll have to see. Sounds like their is truth to the two teams meeting and Ozzie has probably told Kenny to get him a leadoff guy. Only problem is I have my doubts as to how good Pos is. Great basestealer and solid defensive player, especially since he'd be in left. But what else would the Sox get. Ginters alright, nothing special. They need to be getting either a fantastic prospect as well or another good player. Plus of course use the money somewhere else. For example would you deal Lee for Odalis Perez, Pos, Ginter, and a top prospect? Cause that could possibly what this deal indicates.

I agree, but if they get a very good prospect or something else quite valuable out of Mil then it could make things interesting, especially when you see what the Sox do with the payroll flexibility. Ie who would they sign.

One thing Gammons said interested me and that was Rios and Lilly for Hudson. Personally I am surprised that Beane wants Lilly back considering he unloaded him in the first place (don't remember if he was a FA or dealt, but I think he was dealt). Anyway remember Sox are talking with the Jays and it makes sense that they could get Rios in a deal involving Konerko. Doubt they could get Lillly too, but Batista and instead of Lilly give them Garland or Batista and maybe something else (from the Sox) and they could be interested. I'm in the school library right now. I swear if they pull off a deal and then announce another move (say Huddy or RJ or whoever) I think I'll be getting dragged out of the library for screaming so loud

And my studying for my final thats just a few hours away.

The Sox would basically save 7.5 million. So it would give them just over 10 mill to play with.

Kind of funny, but it was 187 users...probably was a bad omen

I can tell you one thing, if the Sox pick up Huddy or Sheets or someone else really good this board is gonna have 200 plus people on it for the first time ever Now all of us together....lets think Sheets or Huddy If were gonna wish, wish big

Finally one other person (actually I'm making an assumpion here Steff) that agrees with me that Otis was absolutely full of s***. The guy lucked out and to this day I believe he was completely full of crap.

Come on Steff, read my sig...I can dream can't I, lol. Better that then get upset about a Pos and Ginter for LEe deal

Lee, Bmac, Anderson...I'd do it

What types of arms does Mil have close to being ready? Obviously Cappelan but he ain't going anywhere. I just know they have some really good middle infield prospects and of course Prince Fielder. Don't know if Lee could net one of those really good infield prospects but if they could I could see Beane really liking the idea of a deal with the Sox. I think the Sox will keep Pos and move whoever else they get elsewhere. Call it a straight hunch. Still if the Sox got Ginter, Pos and a good prospect, plus went out and signed someone It could work out. But I like the idea of a bigger trade myself If they want Pos...just deal Crede for Pos and then swing an Everett for Hinske trade.

The more I think about it. Lee for Pos and Hardy or whoever. Don't know if they could get them, but get the prospects necessary (maybe the A's be interested in Spivey). Whatever it takes get the prospects necessary to pull a deal with the A's and then the Sox include Anderson or whomever else to make it work out. That would give Oakland a very good prospect (probably near top) from Mil, a top prospect from the Sox (Anderson) and then Beane's pick at one of the pitchers not named Bmac (or whatever the hell else he wants and yes if begged enough I'd deal Bmac too). Sox net Huddy and Pos and pretty much complete their offseason. On an unrelated sidenote, if the Sox deal Konerko and if they really are interested in Koskie, you could almost see them deal Everett for Koskie and I bet Toronto does that cause they get away from a long term deal.

I'm going to just hope its a huge deal for Ben Sheets. Please, PLEASE, PLEASE If the Sox are dealing Lee they better get more then just Pos, Ginter and I'm talking about one of their very best prospects, at least that. I don't like the idea of dealing Lee to anyone. The only benefit to this is the Sox at least get payroll. But why the hell would JR have to approve something along these lines (I mean obviously Kenny would want to tell him about it) but its not like the Sox would be spending more money. So it would be as if that money would immediately get directed somewhere else?? Which tells me potential 3 way where the Sox land Pos and someone else maybe??? I can see Mil wanting Lee, maybe Arizona likes some of the Brewers stud prospects? Or Oakland (lord knows that Mil has the middle infield prospects Oakland would like). s*** new idea, 3 way where the Sox ship Lee for Pos and some prospects and then deal someone else along with the prospect or two they get (maybe teh A's want Ginter) for Huddy

They wouldn't want PK so that throws a hamper into the whole thing, imo. But if their is truth to the Hinske coming over, could they offer Crede for Posednik in a smaller deal? Or turn things into a 3 way deal like I suggested earlier where the Sox walk away winners. Of course I highly doubt Mil would want any part of my suggested 3 way, I see every reason why Toronto and the Sox would though.

Nah, right now payroll still has a little wiggle room, but not much. Enough to probably make one signing around 2-3 million a season. If the Jays took Everett's contract off the Sox hands along with PK for say Batista and Rios and Hinske then I could potentially see something work out. The Sox get a good prospect in Rios (potential leadoff hitter whose really been working out hard this offseason) and save about 4-5 million with Hinske sliding over to 1st or being sent out in a deal elsewhere. Then the Sox clear some more payroll in that deal and set themselves up semi decent to make a run at a free agent pitcher or two or can deal one of Garland/Batista. Or they could turn and deal Batista and Hinske to the brew crew for Pos and Ginter. They'll net Pos, Ginter, and Rios for Konerko and Everett...which is about as ugly as it gets, but at the same time they have now wiggled around to shedding 13 million in payroll. Only problem is all things considering it doesn't sound like Kenny wants to go the free agent route. But that would give him the money to sign Delgado or make a run at a starting pitcher and a solid bat. Plus the Sox still have Lee around and Rios is a solid player as is Pos and Ginter. The Sox also have some extra pieces laying around now for deals too.

That remains to be seen whether he pulls the trigger on these awful rumored deals. Especially that Toronto one. That is a freaking TERRIBLE deal...unless Vernon Wells is a part of it.

More I heard it sounds like the Cubs are pretty much stuck for the time being.

Trust me, I'm not overly excited but at least the Sox get 8 million to spend on pitching or whatever else. Assuming they go out and spend Konerko's money I have no problem with the deal. However that Toronto deal gives the Sox no such options. And jesus I don't want Miguel Batista. He was moved to the pen last season for the Jays.

That deal would be worse then the Ritchie deal. And it does nothing to free payroll.