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I'd rather see Grilli or Diaz, imo. Fogg is not a starter, solid reliever, maybe. But he would get lit up at USCell, imo.

What can I say, I just don't see the Sox able to do anything now. Kenny backed himself into a corner and now JR is gonna have to let the man spend his money. At this point piss it away for all I care. They started this offseason with a need for a starter and they shoudln't hope some great pitcher gets non-tendered. If I hear Kenny talking about Grilli and Diaz other then trade bait at Soxfest I'm gonna yack.

Bahhaaa. I love it, just to spite my dad. Now we'll both be bummed out over the weekend over the patheticness of our two teams. Jose Valentin...there solution to Beltre, ROLF. Valentin is a hasbeen. Lousy as all get up offensively...minus the homers and incredibly selfish. Good riddance.

If the Sox offered 3yr 21 they should immediately offer it to Perez and go from there. Kenny screwed this up big because they could of gotten Perez a week ago at 5-6 mill. NOw they can't.

It sure as hell looks that way. I have zero confidence in then signing Perez and after that the market just isn't all that attractive. I'm pretty pissed out right now. They trade Lee to get a starting pitcher and they f*** that up. A guy that legitimately wanted to stay in Chicago and would of been happy to pitch here. And they won't get Odalis and then we'll be stuck with them talking about how great Robert Person is going to be and how the year off did him well. I may be jumping off the deep end here, but thats it, after Perez the market takes a huge dropoff and screw Vazquez, he isn't worth the money he's going to get and after seeing what the Dbacks or Yanks want for them its a ridiculous thing to do. Your just as safe signing Perez who may be as good of a pitcher as him and having him signed cheaper then Vazquez without giving up Garland (novel concept).

If they don't have a starting pitcher by Fest (and I mean 5 solid starters) my tone will be the exact opposite as its been throughout Kenny's tenure. I swaer to god if they let 1.3 mill a year get in the way, screw em. The Sox just gave that piece of crap Timo 1 mill. What the hell. Timo's alright, but Escobar is just fine too.

Welcome aboard.....you see the dilemma to all this is the Sox felt they would rather have Timo Perez :puke

Now now brown cow. I've been a Skiles believer since they hired him. But ya in general people are starting to turn. But one 3 game winning streak and they'll be b****ing again, lol.

Piazza's a piece of s***, I got no problem with Pedro wanting a real catcher. The guy has been a selfish ass bag his whole career (Piazza) constantly refusing to play 1st base because he wants the catcher record. The guy has been a piss poor catcher his entire career and hurts his team because of it and isn't willing to move to first. Screw the ahole. I hope Mota runs from him again this spring, LOL.

I was looking through the standings in the East today and realized the way the Bulls are playing they got a shot to pull what the Heat did last year. I'm enjoying the way they play, especially the defense, and I think they will get better as the season goes. I don't know if they'll get in, but if the east continues with its usual of having two rather poor teams make the playoffs, I think the Bulls definately got a shot.

The Bartolo Colon trade was a very good one, even if the Sox didn't pan out. He came in and did what was expected of him. The Damaso Marte deal was a very good one too in recent years. FA wise, Elo was fantastic and Bobby Jenks could be a big reward type of move.

I'd put AJ, and then Polanco or Hairston. If Hairston gets non-tendered and the Sox fall short in the pitching runnings I could see htem get a cheaper 5th, Pyrz, and Hairston. Then if they need to Kenny can make a move at the deadline.

By the way, you going to Soxfest? I'll finally get you that shirt that I promised ya a year ago

If were going to do that, lets merge this thread into it. That way all the information can be found there. I can split it if people disagree, but I'm going to merge it right now. Also for a bit of an update. I was in the car a lot of the day running docs around for work and I didn't once hear any mention on sports talk of Clement on the Angels. At the same time they were all b****ing about the Dodger trade and then a few guys that are pretty good said they were pretty sure the deal was off at this point. Said Green wants a contract extension for good money.

Can someone quickly update me? Are the SOx talking to lowe all of a sudden? Been swamped at work and have only been able to read a few posts all day. Was just refreshing every once in a while hoping to see a Sox Sign Clement thread, lol.

Ya, assuming his arm can handle it, he's a future closer. Actually if healthy things could turn out quite well for him. He's made some growths as a person if I recall. Still very rough on the edges, but holy hell, very good move.

The problem is, if Gammons says something its still useless cause its Gammons, lol.

Awesome. I was going to make a most saying the Sox should pick him up, lol. I saw he was designated for assignment yesterday.

Interesting he mentions Cabrera's name on the SouthSide. It would obviously be a hell of a defensive infield but I wouldn't have much interest in it at all, especially considering the money he's looking for. Goodness I hope we get Clement.

At this point who knows...it could be RJ, lol. I'm hoping when I get back from my final I see a huge ass thread invovling the Sox new pitcher coming here.

Tonight was better then any of them this year. Since his McCourt rants. I can't wait to get back to work tomorrow so I can get him all riled up again

Holy s***, thats freaking sick.

Haha, I remember that. I even remember some article talking about a late stream of Thomas votes but it wasn't enough. Thomas was hosed from the team that year.

I can see the argument for more wins, but even that I'm not big of a fan on. I think with the rainouts and everything else, its pretty much invevitable that the number 5 will face an ace near as much as they face a #5 so its at least a semi wash. Late in the season that wouldn't hold to be the case. I could maybe see Garland doing more due to the fact he gains confidence from the wins and feels less pressure, but he doesn't seem like a guy that lets the pressure effect him.

It could be like when they dealt Brown and his doctors guaranteed that his body would not hold up for an entire season. Ya, from what I heard they thought he could recover but it was like unchartered waters medically, which probably made them nevrvous. But they could of always non-tendered him or taken the chance on him and just found another place for Green and signed a starter, imo. Then they'd of kept Brazo. The good news is if Niavarro goes, then it means the Dodgers wouldn't likely offer Pyrz more then a one year deal. If that, cause they may just plan on starting him, although I find it unlikely that he's ready for the majors yet, at least not defensively.