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I want to add something about the Guillen incident. All the talk around Orange County (on the radio and what not) are that this was pretty much a bulls*** move. The Angels (aka Scioscia) originally hinted that something drastic happened, not just the helmet throw and throwing his glove. Their were even some reports that Guillen threw a punch at Sciosc (utter bs by the way). Now the tone is starting to change and some stuff has been leaked (or reportedly leaked) that the incident was pretty much what all the fans could see. The other two incidents was in the Toronto series early in the year he called his pitchers out for not protecting the hitters (mainly him). And you know what, I remember the angles announcers at the time saying someone should step up and protect Guillen. Of course now they are toing that company line saying the opposite. I'll tell you, Guillen flipping carried the Angels in May when damn near everyone was down (injured). He then got beaned repeatedly in the hand/wrist area. I think he was hit like 4 times in a week period or something and like three times ni the series. He was playing hurt and the pitchers continued to do nothing. I seem to remember many Sox fans and some analysts that will tell you this season was lost when the Sox didn't retaliate for the Torri Hunter incident. The only other incident Guillen had (and to me this is the severe one in a sense) is that he told the media he wasn't at a players meeting called by Darin Erstad. He did in fact attend it, but aluded to the point that the meeting was terrible. Vladdy seemed pissed that Guillen is gone though, I'll tell you that much and Erstad and Percy are about the only two on the team talking about it and saying it was a good decision (they are guys that follow that company line). However, Garret Anderson from his tone of voice appears perplexed, so did Molina and I'm sure there are others. Hell, the Angels weren't even freaking told (I'm referring to the players) of the incident. They had to find out through the grapevine. Ya, really gutsy their Scioscia. Sorry, I've watched Guillen all year long. Like I say, I only know the stuff that is talked about on the radio and on tv and what you can tell, but I do know one thing. Guillen played 110% every freaking game. The guy played hurt, the guy had tons of clutch hits (he was having a bad September) and the guy loves playing baseball. Was it stupid for him to get pissed, YA it was, but for christ sake the guy was just lpaying his ass off and wanted to stay in the game. Hell, the only reason I can see him being pinch ran for is because someone thought he was injured (he was hit in the ankle region) but if he said no, you leave him out there. Oh ya, this is the same Jose Guillen that played with a broken wrist (wasn't that what he had) during the playoffs for the A's. Ya, I'll take him on the Sox.

Oh damn, if it is then I may of talked too soon.

Not that I know of. I played Dan last week and it hasn't shown up as if their is a new game or anything.

Wow, amazing story. Good news that she got help and appears to be doing alright. I could see myself posting for help...and then alex responding with something along the lines of, oh s***, he's about to blow up the board

Don't know about the others from Cali, but I didn't feel it. Or maybe I did..I was up last night thinking I felt the start of an earthquake, but it was so minor I figured it was me just thinking it was one.

I want to make a note that as of Thursday night, that will be the last day to make any free agent pickup. From that day, we will set a two week period to set your keepers. During that time period you are allowed to make as many trades as you want. All trades need to be reported to me Bullsback@gmail.com and if you want posted on the Soxtalk Fantasy Baseball Forums. The exact freeze period will be at 12:00 AM Eastern Time. I'll then print out the rosters and input them into excell. I'll be on a plane for a few hours so that should give me something to do during the flight, lol. After that their will be about a month period where any and all trades can be made. The keepers are due the day after the world series (this way you don't keep a guy that gets injured in the playoffs...who knows, anything ccan happen) 6 keepers (or we could do 5): 2 pitchers, 2 hitters, and 2 (or 1) wild card player. The Minor League Draft will not occur for a while, much closer to the regular season. I plan on doing it sometime after winter league and before spring training. It will be done before the season draft

The season ended with me beating Dan 11-5.

By the way, if anyone read the article over on WSI...it has no reference about the White Sox. The poster is claming Gammons was on the radio out there and said JR contacted MLB to do this. Ya sure, and I'll believe it when me s*** turns into rainbow sherbert.

Good point, but that was prior to the new divisions and the new scheduling which truly makes travel a whole lot better. Its not too bad of a flight to Minny, kC or Detroit and Cleveland isn't that bad. However...if MLB was goign to f***up the division or what not by changing teams around, I guarantee you one thing, if they didn't have a problem with the Sox playing all these games somewhere and the Sox actually wanted to move, they'd be in the Al West becauase that division needs an extra team. Anyway...pure bulls***, thats what this rumor is.

Travel would be a nightmare. This is absolute bs and unless someone shows me a link of the story I think this is some poster over at WSI shooting the bulls*** to everyone else. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN. First off, the Sox playesr won't watn the extra travel and secondly I guarandamn tee you that every team in the AL East will b**** about having to travel to Chciago. And just because the BoSox and Yanks are doing good now, doesn't eman they will be in 5 years. This entire rumor is the biggest garbage I've evern seen (not making fun of anyone here, no one here created the thing).

This makes no sense

Just to add to this a bit, but Guillen has good speed and Gload has good speed (well solid speed). So Konerko is no longer in the lineup. This now means the middle portion of the lineup only has one slow player (Thomas) and the rest of the lineup only has one really slow player (Crede or Koskie). If I recall Aj has alright speed for a catcher. Also, todays article by Guillen hinted at several position changes. One seemed to hint at Gload starting (I think he's more then capable) and he will be in this lineup. The other was Uribe and he'll be there. You also have AJ, Guillen and a new shortstop. All of the others were positions the Sox appear to be upgrading and then of course 3b is left open. Guillen also mentioned having guys capable of handling the bat in the lower portion of the order. Well Gload in the 6 spot can handle the bat, Uribe can handle the bunt (ie bunt and hopefully with time control moving guys over in other ways as well). I always remember AJ as being a guy that could use all parts of the field (at least when he was with the Twinkies) and I think he dropped a few bunts against the Sox as well (going off memory). Sounds to me like more guys that can do what Ozzie does. Defensively the team is also better. Guillen is a very good rf...and an awesome LF. His arm is fantastic. Pyrz is good behind the plate. Gload is good at 1b, and Uribe is good at ss or 2b (wherever he is playing). Crede is good defensively as is Koskie. We all know Rowand can field and well Lee gives all out effort and may not be great, but he isn't a liability.

Hey wite, I love the idea of getting Guillen and he will be gone in the offseason. My thinking is the angels will have at least a little heat which means the Sox could maybe get him at a little lesser then so called market value. That being said, I'd go with the Konerko for Pyrz and Jerome Williams and then acquire Jose Guillen for Jon Garland. The Angels get a good young pitcher that they once acquired (for Erstad...later to be nixed), so they can at least say they got something for Jose. The Sox get Guillen, a player entering his prime, who to me gets a rap like Everett. I watched the guy all year and he did nothing but play his ass off. Now I have no idea what happens in the Angels clubhouse, but on the field the guy gave 110%. I'd stick Guillen in RF, Rowand in CF, and Lee in LF. Now before everyone jumps all over me saying thats still a right handed lineup, may I remind you Konerko is gone, replaced with Gload (a leftie), plus you have Everett on the bench to get ocassional playing time (thomas will get rest and I'm sure some of the of's will as well...although if the Sox wanted to trade him I see the reasons in doing that as well, but they would have to pick up salary). And then you have Pyrz (another lefty) in the lineup. So at the start of 2004 season you had a righty at 1b and a righty at c (Olivo). Now you have two new lefties and the Sox still will add another lefty with whomever they add to play 2b or ss with Uribe playing the other position. I'd say both would be realistic deals FA or Trade - SS or 2B Aaron Rowand or Juan Uribe- CF Carlos Lee - LF Frank Thomas - DH Jose Guillen - RF Ross Gload - 1B Juan Uribe (or Aaron Rowand)- ss or 2b Aj Pyrzinski - C Joe Crede (or if you want someone else, maybe a faster 3b; heck you even have the option of Uribe at 3b, Harris at 2b and hitting in the 9 hole and a FA shortstop for the top of the order). Payroll wise thats about 26 million on offense. (not including bench players..aka 4 mill for Everett, which gives you 30 mill plus bench) Rotation Buehrle Garcia FA - Pavano...whoever Contreras Jerome Williams Payroll Wise thats about 30 million, assuming 10 million for the FA signing (which I think is a little high) Bullpen Shingo Marte FA or trade FA or trade Cotts Munoz/Diaz/etc Thats about 10 mill, leaving 5 to 6 mill for the two FA/trade acquisitions That gives a payroll of 66 million, meaning the Sox still have about 10 million to spend elsewhere. Of course a little bit more is going to go to offensive guys on the bench (remember I'm already counting Everett, so the rest of the bench won't be too expensive). THis means if the Sox really wanted to, they could add one way or another one more bat into the lineup or add another bat and spend a little more on the pen and get a closer, moving Marte/Shingo to the setup spot. I'm assuming this money would be spent on a 3B like Koskie and then using Crede for a young power arm (I think that can be had, although it may not be a guy thats proven) and then going after a legit closer. Anyway, all in all, its a tone down from my multi trade suggestions and seems semi plausible. I think I set realistic value in the SF deal as well as the Angels deal, although the Sox may have to give the Angels something else to go with Garland (But I'd be willing).

All I can say is this...deal Konerko, deal Lee, acquire Guillen (give them Garland if thats what it takes; I am assuming that Guillen will still have trade value).

Pyrz would be an awesome upgrade. Heck, would anyone be intrigued with a Pyrz and Jerome Williams for Paul Konerko deal? Williams gives the Sox a solid young starter with room to grow (allowing them to package Garland elsewhere) while Pyrz gives them a good catcher. Maybe they could get more (they being the Sox), I don't know...but I wouldn't midn this idea. You then have Gload as your starting 1b and save a bit in payroll (don't know how much Aj makes). One major flaw in AJ is that he doens't have a great OBP, but he can play vs righties and you can have Burke play on ocassions against lefties. .285 avg and a .340 OBP against rhp this season (AJ). Burke had a Jerome Williams (22) was 9-7 with a 4.41 ERA this year. Gave up 119 hits in 122.1 innings while striking out 77. In his only other season he was 7-5 with a 3.3 ERA in 131 innings. Their would be a risk in this deal, but Williams has a s***load of potential and could be an awesome pickup, imo. He had arm surgery a month ago and is capable of pitching at this point but Alou held him out in the Dodgers series and went with a rookie instead because he didn't want to risk rushing him. The more I think about this, I think SF would be happy with Konerko and the two players the Sox get would definately fit into their plans. Seems like a fair deal, in fact I could easily see giving the nod up to the Giants, but I have a little bit of a Sox bias and may be over-rating Konerko and under-rating the fact that Williams is 22.

f***ity f***, I forgot to copy and paste my picks from my other pool into here. Damn their went my plan on not missing out on a week for once.

I guess I'm famous as of this point...I'm the only person to vote for Senor Spiffbergo

Thats what I was thinking. Even having a phone next to the screen can do it. I remember my screen used to get all weird (old monitor) and then all of a sudden it hit me. Whenever I was on my cell and sitting on the computer that was what was causing it. However, if its a constant flow, unless you moved a magnetic type thing near your desktop permanently then I'm guessing its something else and that you need a new monitor.

I'm still amazed at your talent. Hell, even during my hayday I don't think I got anywhere near that. Your a freaking olymic style poster who only gets stronger. Me I think I was more a one or two year wonder, who in the last year just couldn't keep up due to the fact that they are now testing for the roids. Good thing too, although I wouldn't mind a couple weeks of being able to be a bum and go on the net a lot more.

f*** f*** f***ITY f*** Season over. I don't think I've ever been more crushed by an injury.

Am I missing something on Dbaho's sister?

One report says it was serious. Grossman's dad is saying Rex felt something pop while going down (it had nothing to do with the hit). I have no idea if this is true though. Its just based on a post at a Bears board claming its up on the Bears Insider on Chicagosports. Right now I'm still going to be optimistic and ifgure he'll be back after the bye week.

Bag Boy at a grocery store. God did that suck ass. Number 2 s***tiest job was when I started a moving company during the end of high school. Pay was good and it was just one day a week (or whenever me and two of my buddies could get a job) but too f***ing tiring. However, after work relaxation would feel amazing. Both jobs were awful though.