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I don't know where I said we should be taking back to back 1st round picks on QB - but quite frankly - if that is what it took - than yes I would support it. If the Bears drafted Tua and ended up having the #1 pick and were staring at Lawrence and thought Lawrence >>> Tua - than yes - I would be sitting here saying they need to move Tua and pick Lawrence. Bottom Line - They need to address QB. This franchise doesn't have one and yet I see you all saying addressing QB is a luxury pick. They have Nick Foles, who flat out stinks as a full time starter in this league. Nothing is going to change that. Yes - he can get hot for periods of time - but he is not an upper echelon NFL QB and thus - the Bears are in a position where they have no QB. So in my mind - their #1 priority should be in finding someone they think can be that franchise QB. That means whatever move you make for that position - is not a luxury - it is a necessity. Whether Watson is worth it or not - fine - debate that all day long - but to see people here proposing the Bears solve the QB spot by sticking at status quo and taking some QB in round 3 or 4 - well quite frankly that is crazy talk. It might work - it might not. The Seahawks went after Flynn with a big contract - taking a shot on him - the same year they selected Wilson in the 3rd round. It wasn't like they just solved their situation looking at Wilson - no - they tackled it two different ways. You could almost argue that would be the equivalent of the Bears giving Mariota or Winston some money and drafting Kyle Trask (or insert whatever other QB). And let me be clear - that is fine with me - it is doing something. The scenario I showed was that the Bears have LITERALLY NEVER INVESTED IN THE QB. I believe i saw a stat somewhere that said the Bears were in the bottom 5 of QBs selected in round 1/2 than any franchise in the NFL since 85. Now I'm not saying that purely investing in them is going to work either - cause I'm sure the Browns are on the upper echelon of QB's taken - so lets not ignore there isn't more to it than that - but everything is harder when you take fewer chances.

So I see you and others say "luxury" picks - I just don't think a QB is a "luxury" pick. That is where I differ on everything. I don't think we have the luxury to ignore the QB spot until we actually have a bonafide front line QB and even when we do - we than need to make sure we have a quality backup and occasionally make reinvestments into the depth of that position, etc. Now when Pace trades picks for a mediocre QB like Foles - fine by me (Foles was never better than Mitch and it was clearly a panic move by the front office). I think the same in terms of the move it made for Anthony Miller and many other uses of cap space. What I don't ever consider "luxury" moves are giving up assets to get Mitch. He was wrong and that is on him - but trading picks to get a guy you think is going to be the best QB in the class - you should literally do and not look back. I'd also note that the mack trade was another example that I thought was a poor use of draft capital and cap space. Never a knock on Mack - just that the combined price was "a luxury" not needed. I got into many debates with most on this board regarding that trade and while I don't think Pace overpaid for Mack - I just don't think it was the right use of capital and cap space.

Well - Wentz was traded for pennies on the $. I would have easily given up what the Colts did - but that didn't happen; Matt Ryan is out there, Sam D'Arnold too. I'm not saying I want Ryan - but it is certainly an option to consider. Winston - is a FA - whether he ends up as the Saints QB or not - I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion. High probability that all of those guys are better than any 3rd or 4th round QB will be. If I went those routes though - If there was a QB in that range that I liked - I"d take them too. Point is - take swings and multiple swings at QB.

I don't care about saving the roster - I care about consistently taking steps at improving the QB situation. Doing nothing is useless and terrible. And it is also completely ignores what Nagy/Pace have been asked to do. Whether you or I would have asked them to have this chance - they do - and the scenarios / views that this franchise should just ignore QB another year are just that - bad and flawed. They took this approach for years and that is part of the reason why they have never found a QB, like ever. I mean in my entire lifetime as a Bears fan (so I'll say post 1985 - since I was 2 years old at the time) - I can pretty much count QB's whom this team drafted with high picks. Grossman (after a trade down), McNown, and Trubisky. I don't even think beyond that they used a 2nd round pick on a QB. In 35 years - that is 3 1st round qb's (and I don't think they had any 2nd round QB selections either. That is PUTRID. The only other time this franchise made a major investment in a QB - they traded a 1st round pick for a former 1st rounder (Rick Mirer) and obviously the Cutler trade. They also NEVER made any major QB free agent signing, so lets not pretend that they handled this via free agency. Bottom Line: You want to know why this team has been bad at QB - well a huge reason is because they have barely invested in the QB position. Yes - they had some misses there - but the Packers didn't sit around and wait until they needed to get Rodgers (They had Favre) and whether it works for not - they are doing the same with Love and also had recently taken a shot in some other former higher picks/guys (former UCLA QB whose name escapes me who was never any good and Kizer who stunk too). Now you are right - beyond just finding a QB - you need to than do your part to give him the weapons, etc.

I just know one thing - for everyone that proposes we just roll with Nick Foles and some late QB - there is zero scenario that I think that is okay. The Bears have many times ignored QB and tried other moves. You can look at so many times where they didn't invest in the QB in the draft of take a shot and instead stood status quo. There is zero scenario where I accept that. Make a move - even if the probability is low - make a move for someone that has upside - whether Winston / D'Arnold / Tua / Jones (or someone else early in the draft).

If I knew Mac was there at 20 - I take him. I am not sold on him - but I certainly can see him being a good qb. I think I take him over Sam D if I knew I had him. That said - I really don’t think that will happen and thus Sam will be cheaper to get.

What is price for both? Mac isn’t going to be sitting there - bears would have to trade up to get him (IMO).

I’ll believe it when I see it. I do get the Inkling bears are going to go into draft not yet solving qb. After that - we will see if they draft a qb like Mac Jones or lance or if they trade for D’Arnold or Ryan after their respective teams take a qb. Feels like at this point - No Qb move is happening for bears until at or after the draft.

The last few nights - the refs have been abysmal.

I'm lazy - so I always think Towns would be a stellar fit - even though none of that is probably feasible. But when you look at the efficiency Lavine is putting up when often times the entire team is focused on stopping him - it is kind of crazy.

Honestly - more than anything - I can probably live with seeing how WCJ can emerge and if he can just be healthier - cause I think he's pretty solid as bigs go and is going to have a long career (if injuries don't get him), but I really want to give Lavine a good partner in crime who can help him. The stats out on Coby White are so bad - you look at all the deep analytics and Lauri and Lavine immediately flip from negative players in advance analytics to + players on advanced analytics (and in Lavine's case - pretty damn good). Blog-a-bull had a really good piece on Lavine and it also touches a bit on the on/off comparisons of Coby White. White is really really hindering the whole rest of the lineup as a starter/point guard/black-hole. https://www.blogabull.com/2021/2/18/22283077/zach-lavine-has-arrived-and-nobody-is-happy

Haha - very true - and that isn't to say much for Sato - who is an okay bench player with his own flaws. Instead of making my usual negative Coby White post (cause i really really hope he just develops and I do recognize development isn't always linear and I know Coby works hard etc)...but I really want to highlight how much I appreciate Lavine. While him and Buckets are different players - they have a lot of the same qualities in them when it comes to their ability to just consistently elevate their game and get better. The upside with Lavine is his raw skills are like so few players in the league. I will probably regret this - but Lavine is a true building block for this franchise - they have a long ways to go and need to find more - but I just want to propose my undeniable affection for Lavine and how fun he can be to watch (and frustrating too - given the lack of playmakers on this roster). Would so love to see Lavine with a high end big and a quality PG.

Why when I read these hacks on yahoo (why I read yahoo - I don't know - call it habit) do I just question things. Is calculating a cost per nugget really a "hack" in this day and age?

This has to go back to the fact that he preferred to play for his old OC (who is a HC). That isnt' to say he didn't have high esteem for Defillipo - as I think he does - but I 100% get why Wentz would have leaned to go play for Reich - who he played at a high level with and who is the head coach.

Damn it - what a stellar move by Colts. Total coup!

Huge comeback - Zach with the vets starting in second half was just a total stud - put team on his back and is showing he is so much more than so many thought. Donovan with some stones to go to that vet lineup and send a message. Patrick Williams with a late clutch 3 and another solid performance. Baby steps. Coby White remains one of the worst players in the league - just another terrible performance and worse part is you don’t just get his stink - it’s the fact that his stink impacts everyone else. You can see Donovan is starting to lose it with White as a point guard - we are seeing a lot more Sato as primary. Goes back to why I want lonzo - between his d and ability to make others better - will make it so much easier for the front office and Donovan to continue the roster evaluation and overall progress of this franchise.

How do lottery picks work relative to the play-in tournament? Does the 10 seed that wins the play-in tourney also get a lottery pick or in that situation does the 10 seed lose the lottery pick?

The Bulls having those 4 losses where they blew 10+ leads though is huge. You don't realize - if you switch that - you are basically the 4th/5th seed in the East. Not saying this team is that good - they aren't - but the east is also just super clumped together. To me they just need to start moving assets they don't like / aren't perfect fits to get better.

So one other interesting stat I heard while watching the 2nd half of the Bulls vs. Pacers game (was on the Pacers feed). They said Zach Lavine leads the eastern conference in "clutch" scoring. Which is essentially points scored in final 2 minutes of a basketball game while the margin is still close (+/- 5 point margin). Evidently he was already quite a bit above the next best guy as of yesterday and he added a handful more yesterday.

Great to see Wendell back out there tonight - real fun game and a nice win. Lavine with a huge 3 late in regulation and team played lose in ot - with good ball movement.

That was a fun win. Lavine makes it look so easy offensively. You are right - valentine was nifty and beyond that coby was getting a lot more off the ball - which was huge. He is just a shit point guard.

Tackle, wideout, db and lb would be my rankings.

I was always game for ball jr too. He looks like a good one.

Trade lauri or coby for him - I don’t care and yes I think Lonzo can be a long term piece. I’ll assume bulls would keep as an rfa. I would prefer to give Sato and Young and Denzel or something but hey give something to get something.

Can the bulls just get Lonzo already please. He has his flaws but his d and passing is so good and he will fill so many voids on team and long term I still see his offense coming around. I’m still pretty high on Lonzo.