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I agree with you - it is pretty apparent there are broader issues and Pace should be shown the door. His misuse of draft capital and salary cap space has been poor and he's had a lot of bad signings. He's had some good ones too, like really good ones like Hicks....but has missed on some high profile picks and while he's done good later in the draft, his misses are just big. He's a likeable guy and actually done some behind the scenes stuff that makes this franchise better for the long haul...but I don't know that you can stick with him another year. With Nagy - I've been on the bandwagon to move away from him, mainly because he clearly isn't the offensive genius everyone thought he was when they hired him, but he also has been saddled with some poor parts and I have no idea how much that is on himself for scounting the wrong guys or on Pace. What I really don't know is did both sides just completely whiff on the offense the past number of years or was one side being too heavily influenced by the other (i.e., Pace bought what Nagy was selling and figured they could do it or was Nagy more of a I'll be rah rah about whomever you give me, you just give me some of these pieces, but deep down he was like, oh boy, Montgomery isn't good or Anthony Miller has big time issues, etc). It is probably both. It just sucks to be in a spot where you are hitting the reset button again. You look at Rodgers and people say well look at how he reads x, y and z, well in many cases that is because he's ran similar systems for 10+ years and has seen everything and the kitchen sink thrown at him.

Not sacrilege. I have been ripping on Mack for 1.5 seasons at this point. If I could trade him for anything close to the package they gave up, I would do it.

I have never seen a more futile 3rd quarter team - like ever. And you are right - take away the 4th quarter and this has to be like the worst offense in NFL history through 3 quarters (if you just prorated those 3 quarters into a full game.

I tend to agree with you - I thin continuity is a big thing. It will be interesting to see how they finish. They have a chance to practically win out....don't think they will...but they have a chance. They could also lose to a Lions team that I'm sure will be energized just by not having Patricia as HC and at that point...it could get really ugly really fast. Nagy is not a bad head coach - the problem is - he gets in his own way, imo. Pace has responsibility too and I don't see why you give everyone another chance. And I don't want to draft a QB who is going to be drafted with one regime only to have another regime come in and blow it up. My guess is Pace ends up sticking around and chooses another head coach (if things end bad). I still think > 50% chance that Bears finish the year .500 or better and that gets them all another year. But WTF do they do at QB? Foles obviously is not a starter....Mitch is going elsewhere....and you have no cap space. They will be coaching / GMing for their livelihood so I don't see someone making the right LT moves in that situation.

Hard to ball hawk when you literally haven't had the lead but in that Giants game. That was literally only game they had the lead for much anytime. And not once this year outside of that have they had a 2 score lead (at least I don't think they have) at any point where you could actually get aggressive and start to get teams in predictable passing situations. Khalil Mack has been a giant dud with the Bears. Not saying he isn't a good player, he is, but very overrated and no matter the excuse he just isn't making enough plays. This game would have been closer with Hicks and obviously D is much much better with Hicks & Goldman (no one can run on you and it means a lot more 3rd and 7+ vs. this year where teams have been able to run a bit and keep things in 3rd and manageable a lot. By the way - not defending Jackson cause he's had a mediocre season, but as someone noted he had 2 TD's taken away on bad calls.

Keep Danny T was a big mistake. He's a good leader, etc, but Nick K was an ascending player via DannyT on the wrong side and Pace just made a massive mistake picking the two. Obviously a lot of input went into that...but big mistake. Quinn is non-existent - just an awful use of cap space when they could have tried to bolster the oline (vs. thinking a new line coach would magically change things). And I will give credit to Rodgers - damn guy is good.

Despite the bad throws by Mitch - it was the best this offense has looked in a long time (which tells you all you need to know). Poor Mitch..throws 2 TD's on the first drive...both dropped...settle for field goal. Than he gets a nice first down...called back via holding and follows up with turnover. On the fumble he gets a massive face mask. He had his issues but he was at least throwing the ball down the freaking field. Whomever thought Nick Foles was better for this team made a huge mistake. Than of course there is the defense - just flat out whipped in 1st half....gave Bears zero chance. Never surprised. I'll still say, Mitch is not near as bad as most Bears fans think he is...doesn't mean he's great either, he clearly isn't...but I don't know that anyone would be with Nagy's system and with this line (although I didn't even think the line was that terrible). I hate the Packers - got I hate the Packers.

Why do I see the headline - Broncos score more points with no QB than bears do against Packers

Ok - This thread has gone off the rails. Closing it.

Eddie Jackson on COVID list.

Please don't let these be famous last words. I want more than anything for the Bears to find a spark and start winning...but it won't happen.

Very cool.

I already have been telling my kids we are in. I probably won’t be first because of prioritization but like you I am pro vaccine. I also assume between all of these companies a ton of analysis is being done etc. I am hoping by March/April my family and I have vaccine in us.

What is the starting point - like what is the current risk of getting it? I know that depends on the region. I know its a lot higher today almost everywhere in the country than it has been at almost any time during the pandemic. Like are current %'s 5% and so now that increases 75% in a group of 25 people or more so now I have a 8.75% chance? I'm genuinely curious as a stat guy.

Greg - why are you randomly watching live streams of riots in other places? Seems like an odd thing to do. Why not get some fresh air or a hobby that is less stressful.

To be completely honest - that is probably the most sincere answer I've heard from him yet and I actually get it. He's been having calls from people saying he should be impeached from day 1. So I can see why he is taking this crazy stance from that perspective (meaning I see his logic - not saying i condone it or support it - the dude is horrible and should move on). 4 years ago the other side, recognized that Trump won...but it did feel like from day 1 they were out to dump him - which trust me, I get, he's not my guy and I don't support him, but he was elected president (the crusade's shouldn't start the 1st day the president is in office, no matter how small or big the margin is - let the process play out and remember you are representing the people (not just your party - the people). Now 4 years later and the tides turn and the left's views inverse just as the right's views inverse. Than you have a centrist like myself who literally just has his mind blown every 4 years at the sheer hypocrisy that exists (and shame on me for having it always happen). I do think Biden has the sincerity about him where maybe he can actually flip the pendulum.

It really is cause he's such a likeable dude (imo). Warriors can still be pretty interesting and they have cap space, but somehow they went from a team I didn't root for to a team I'l absolutely be cheering for casually (just because of everything their best players had to go through).

Yeah - this was a real nice move and sounds like Bulls kind of navigated behind scenes with his agent at some point later in the draft when it became evident he wasn't going to go as high as he expected. Seems like he could develop into a solid bench player over time. He needs to improve his shot, but he has speed and is a solid passer. Could be a nice change of pace back-up PG and maybe he ends up having some VanFleet in him. Interesting since Dotson was originally who UNC was targeting but eventually they went and took the lesser recruit Kobe White. Now they will be on the same team. At one point White/Dotson had some beef (I think more Dotson - who was the higher recruited player), but they eventually played on one of Chris Paul's AAU teams I think.

At least he got good PR advice. Exactly what I would expect someone to say.

I actually appreciate the Bulls front office following their instincts. I think so many people get caught up on aggregate boards and value and less on principle when reality is there is a giant clutter of people who are pretty similar all across the board. And this year more than any year - makes things an even bigger crapshoot. I know nothing about him so hard for me to say and will be interesting to see what the Bulls do. I'm like Fathom though where there is something about Wendell that doesn't add up. I just don't get the impression that he puts the effort into his overall game. Opposite of Lavine - who I get why people have concerns, but he's kind of like Jimmy Butler (well no one is Jimmy Buckets) in the sense that every year he puts in a ton of work and gets better...period. Every year in this league (when healthy) Lavine has got better and so with that in mind, I don't mind an org betting on that person because you can at least see constant development. I haven't seen any of that with Wendell. He looks literally like the same player (sans a bit more muscle) as the day they drafted him.

I'm curious if Mitch is trending towards healthy. Mainly because I want to see him finish out the year and just let it ride. With this oline and this system he'll probably be just as bad, but hey, crazier things have happened. If Pace was confident he'd has another year, I could see him ride with Bray and just throw this thing down the tubes to maximize his pick for a new shot at a QB as well.

That is a really good move. Type of move Bulls should have done the last 3 years.

I'm the inverse. I'm kind of over Wendell. He may become pretty good - but he's been so injury prone. I'm also 100% okay if the Bulls just want to slow play this and evaluate the squad this year, with their own coaching staff and development staff and than start making moves around the deadline once they have a much better idea of who this team is, etc. I kind of expect the Bulls to move down, unless Ball is there. I do think they like Ball a lot.

Interesting; I'd move down with Boston and take Kemba. Not sure what they are doing and why they would do it. Lavine, White, Kemba is probably a unique set of guards too. At this point - my view is just find a way to get better players....than rely on front office to pivot those better players into stars. Find a way.

I tend to agree with you; given the various extremes, I presume the Cubs will have a harder time getting a premium prospect given the contract. We shall see though.